Oregon players at next level

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1Oregon doesn't have the type of high level talent in Female Soccer that could or would ever say something like: "I'm going to Univeristy of Kentucky (men's basketball example) for 1 year then to the pros." That being the case no current female HS Oregonian could ever say they were going to college primarily for soccer. They like all other females are going to college and have plans on graduating and moving forward with life.

2They are hopefully choosing to go to a school and would attend if they didn't play soccer

3How good is she? is really not that relevant, with title ix in place and roster spots growing Just having the interest alone in joining a college team is simply enough to land at some place. Many girls play community college who were cut from below average HS teams

4Title ix has lots of aid for girls in soccer, athletic aid tends to be tied to talent level so at the d1 level we don't have girls financing their education, yet. Com College and NAIA might have some hefty aid for the top Oregonians. DIII you have to pay your way since their is no athletic aid. DII aid is less than DI so it would be unique if an Oregonian could finance college at the DII level as well.
5&6 Might be something you consider deleting from your post. Since your feelings are uniquely you own opinion without any data or empirical evidence to support any of it.

1 What is the priority for your child? Is she going to college primarily for soccer
2 What sort of soccer environment and experience does she want? D1 school, mid-major, liberal arts college, community college, diploma mill? Star, starter, reserve, benchwarmer?
3 How good is she, really? Blue-chip player? Good enough to get PT at all but the most elite programs? Someone who needs the right situation? Or someone who really isn't talented to play soccer at the next level, at least for a scholarship program?
4Is soccer a key part of how she intends to finance her education?

5For some girls, the ECNL/travel club experience is enjoyable regardless of any college benefits; if she and her family can afford this, go for it! For others, especially those who really wants to play college ball, is not a blue-chip player but one who can benefit from exposure, and isn't depending on a scholarship to pay for college, ECNL is also beneficial. And if you get into a good team/club (say the CU 03s), playing there is worth it even if you don't care about the showcases.

6On the other hand, spending lots of money on travel in high school, in order to earn a scholarship in college, is PROBABLY not a wise investment; putting the travel money in a 528 might be a better idea. And if you think that all local ECNL programs are automatically better than all OYSA programs (or the Thorns for that matter), think again--some of the local ECNL teams aren't very good. There's probably not much difference in coaching quality between the leagues, and the main benefit will be from talent aggregation--IF you can get on one of the top teams.

And the same is true at OYSA.

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"Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast." Sure. But what if your local team's players don't want to go to a "top-notch tourney" across the country? Most girls in Oregon want to play in the PNW. So what if you have a team of 18, and 11 parents say no way are we paying to go to Florida/Dallas/New Jersey/wherever? That's where ECNL or Thorns can help. They don't necessarily consolidate the top talent, but they consolidate players who are motivated to travel and families who are willing/have the means to travel (don't even try to make the weak argument that Thorns makes this more affordable - that lie was proven false years ago).

If your kid is lucky enough to hit the jackpot and be the right age in the right area (Salmon Creek 00's, Salem 01's, Vancouver 02's, GPS 03's), then yes, they can get all the nation-wide exposure they want staying with that small local club. But for the vast majority of kids who don't fall into those narrow parameters, ECNL or Thorns is their only option if they want exposure outside of the west coast. This is why you see kids from Eugene, Bend, and even Medford joining ECNL and Thorns teams. Not necessarily because the talent in Eugene, Bend, and Medford is grossly inferior - but because the kids that live in those areas for the most part don't want to play outside of Oregon/Washington, and the clubs aren't willing to travel to support the 2-3 players per team who have different goals for college.

If your lucky enough to have the right DNA, ambition, talent, work ethic & grades they will travel to see you. Funny how that works. But, If you don't check those boxes, locally there are folks who will ask you to spend thousands on travel and you could and most likely will end up nowhere different than if you stayed in state, expect you get to claim some debt for travel.

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If your lucky enough to have the right DNA, ambition, talent, work ethic & grades they will travel to see you. Funny how that works. But, If you don't check those boxes, locally there are folks who will ask you to spend thousands on travel and you could and most likely will end up nowhere different than if you stayed in state, expect you get to claim some debt for travel.

It is rare. Coaches have limited budgets and limited number of recruiting days (hence the popular cattle call tournaments). They very rarely will use that recruiting day to go see one game to see one player when they can go to an event and see 8 games and many players.

If your daughter gets that sort of attention, congrats, she is rare.

If your coach is telling you your daughter will get that sort of attention, don’t buy it. He is selling snake oil.

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I think you can just keep that fancy hat. Do you have some examples in the past 10 years? So much has and continues to change with Oregon girls youth soccer. Stating facts based on data 10-20 years ago isn’t helpful.

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It is rare. Coaches have limited budgets and limited number of recruiting days (hence the popular cattle call tournaments). They very rarely will use that recruiting day to go see one game to see one player when they can go to an event and see 8 games and many players.

If your daughter gets that sort of attention, congrats, she is rare.

If your coach is telling you your daughter will get that sort of attention, don’t buy it. He is selling snake oil.

Exactly this!

On another note, when one of the coaches my daughter reached out to prior to a tournament subsequently showed up at their game, she always sent them a thank you for coming to watch knowing it very well likely wasn’t for her. Let them see your name in their email box! She would also then provide future dates to see her play close to them so they could see her again.

A tidbit for picking colleges.... Before deciding on a college make sure you understand how sports injury related medical expenses are handled. This is huge and i only learned about crazy horror stories after researching when i got some EOBs from our insurance company totaling 10K that we owed. Some kids never see those EOBs (it’s all covered!) Some kids see those come through from their insurance co but the college has other insurance or means to cover. Yet some kids are screwed. Crazy stories out there! We got lucky. I didn’t know this was something to ask about.

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1Oregon doesn't have the type of high level talent in Female Soccer that could or would ever say something like: "I'm going to Univeristy of Kentucky (men's basketball example) for 1 year then to the pros." That being the case no current female HS Oregonian could ever say they were going to college primarily for soccer. They like all other females are going to college and have plans on graduating and moving forward with life.

There's no point in a "one-and-done" in soccer, because neither MLS, nor NWSL, nor any foreign pro league has any problem signing kids fresh out of high school. And MLS and most foreign pro leagues will sign minors (NWSL currently doesn't). The rules of the NBA and NFL, which prohibit teams from signing players until one (NBA) or two (NFL) years after their high school class graduates, don't exist in soccer.

Oregon has only produced one female player the caliber of Tiffeny Milbrett; but there have been quite a few others that have been considered top-tier college recruits.

And many people love playing soccer, and want to play at the highest levels they can, even if they aren't paid to do it.

2They are hopefully choosing to go to a school and would attend if they didn't play soccer

Hopefully.

3How good is she? is really not that relevant, with title ix in place and roster spots growing Just having the interest alone in joining a college team is simply enough to land at some place. Many girls play community college who were cut from below average HS teams

Community colleges generally don't offer athletic scholarships. (OTOH, such places are sufficiently inexpensive that this is less of a problem). Title IX is a bigger factor at schools which do provide athletes with financial aid, particularly those with men's football teams.

4Title ix has lots of aid for girls in soccer, athletic aid tends to be tied to talent level so at the d1 level we don't have girls financing their education, yet. Com College and NAIA might have some hefty aid for the top Oregonians. DIII you have to pay your way since their is no athletic aid. DII aid is less than DI so it would be unique if an Oregonian could finance college at the DII level as well.
5&6 Might be something you consider deleting from your post. Since your feelings are uniquely you own opinion without any data or empirical evidence to support any of it.

You do know you can't edit posts, right?

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The problem with Oregon soccer starts and stops with the quality of coaching. It isn’t the water or how we feed our kids. Oregon coaches are sub par at best. There some good ones here and there but on the most part, Oregon coaches are not good enough.

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Just wanna post that Oregon girls are doing great at next level. The Onyx kids and others from that same 98-99 recruiting class have shinned at next level. The age groups behind that group 00- and now 01 have continued to raise the bar for our state. Go friggin Oregon kids!!! Keep raising the bar!! Good work Oregon Coaches as well!!

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The problem with Oregon soccer starts and stops with the quality of coaching. It isn’t the water or how we feed our kids. Oregon coaches are sub par at best. There some good ones here and there but on the most part, Oregon coaches are not good enough.

The Washington board has an interesting thread about best coaches, entitled if you could only keep five coaches...

I got a chuckle from the last post.
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Better question... who should definitely not be coaching youth soccer?
The list would be too long and hurtful. Now something like that would definitely be popular down on the Oregon boards. If you think the Reign VS ECNL, or RCL VS NPSL attacks are vitriol, the personal attacks down south make our boards look like Sesame street."

Our reputation proceeds us LOL

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Glad to know onyx parents still lurking.

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1Actually 1 and done has happened on the men's side of US Soccer/Colleges many times over the last 20 years due to MLS Generation adidas platform, nowadays it's straight to the MLS pro academy. Sorry you didn't know about this program for underclassman.
USA youth elites in basketball, can skip any college and play a year in abroad in a minor pro league- it's the newest workaround. But, International basketball talent has no after HS waiting period, since it's not applicable to them.

2love to hear your definition and who the few female top tier college players from Oregon are outside of Milbrett. 'Top tier recruit' in women's soccer is not something that can be backed up with any evidence, it's someone's opinion or catch phrase. Meaningless jabber.

3playing at the highest level of any sport is called being a professional and you get paid millions a year in any recognized sport with fan base and tv interest. ie;basketball, american football, baseball, hockey, track n field and world football. To your point having recreational fun playing soccer is spot on for nearly everyone and as adults you'll have to pay a team fee to do it. Have fun, absolutely.

4community colleges are known to have significant athletic aid. Sorry you weren't aware of this reality. Low grades, high talent and full athletic rides at JC.

5sarcasm 101. Sorry you missed it.

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1There's no point in a "one-and-done" in soccer, because neither MLS, nor NWSL, nor any foreign pro league has any problem signing kids fresh out of high school. And MLS and most foreign pro leagues will sign minors (NWSL currently doesn't). The rules of the NBA and NFL, which prohibit teams from signing players until one (NBA) or two (NFL) years after their high school class graduates, don't exist in soccer.

1Oregon has only produced one female player the caliber of Tiffeny Milbrett; but there have been quite a few others that have been considered top-tier college recruits.

3And many people love playing soccer, and want to play at the highest levels they can, even if they aren't paid to do it.

4Community colleges generally don't offer athletic scholarships. (OTOH, such places are sufficiently inexpensive that this is less of a problem). Title IX is a bigger factor at schools which do provide athletes with financial aid, particularly those with men's football teams.

5You do know you can't edit posts, right?

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Just wanna post that Oregon girls are doing great at next level. The Onyx kids and others from that same 98-99 recruiting class have shinned at next level. The age groups behind that group 00- and now 01 have continued to raise the bar for our state. Go friggin Oregon kids!!! Keep raising the bar!! Good work Oregon Coaches as well!!

Is that some type of element ingested? onyx? Sounds like it might be toxic or radioactive.

What is your definition of next level? A level below any top flight d1 school. With nearly 650 colleges not in the top tier just having a pulse on a title ix team causes you to shin? See radioactive.

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The Washington board has an interesting thread about best coaches, entitled if you could only keep five coaches...

I got a chuckle from the last post.
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Better question... who should definitely not be coaching youth soccer?
The list would be too long and hurtful. Now something like that would definitely be popular down on the Oregon boards. If you think the Reign VS ECNL, or RCL VS NPSL attacks are vitriol, the personal attacks down south make our boards look like Sesame street."

Our reputation proceeds us LOL

. . . or it could be someone who frequents the Oregon forum spreading their self-hate north.

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I saw chat about community college aid. Most kids can get the first 2 years free of community from the Oregon Promise (doesn’t cover books or housing...just tuition). So no need for a scholarship if grades are above 2.5 and you graduate from my understanding.

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I saw chat about community college aid. Most kids can get the first 2 years free of community from the Oregon Promise (doesn’t cover books or housing...just tuition). So no need for a scholarship if grades are above 2.5 and you graduate from my understanding.

JC Coaches and their AD's have't got wind of your theory. They must offer athletic scholarships regardless. Hundreds of JC's outside of our state don't honor the Oregon Promise, it's doubtful Oregon promise covers out of state kids (recruits). Athletic aid can cover housing, tuition and books. JC's can give a full ride athletic scholarship to a kid below 2.5 gpa. All the athletic aid monies are going to be spent at Oregon JC's. You're not going to get a tax return kicker with the Oregon Promise in place. But it's a great deal all round.