Oregon players at next level

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All of the US Club Ecnl players are products of the USYS.

Is it time for the chicken and egg conversation? and which came first. Hilarious.

Egg/chicken confusion says a lot about you. Most kids play USYS at some point (usually youth soccer). Hint: egg. The only time I’ve seen someone revert back to USYS (egg) is after they are already committed.

ECNL is the only league I see providing national exposure giving Oregon ladies opportunities beyond the west coast.

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Egg/chicken confusion says a lot about you. Most kids play USYS at some point (usually youth soccer). Hint: egg. The only time I’ve seen someone revert back to USYS (egg) is after they are already committed.

ECNL is the only league I see providing national exposure giving Oregon ladies opportunities beyond the west coast.

It's 2019 old fella', YouTube, twitter, instagram, vemo and that world wide web thingy allow for national and worldwide exposure streaming for free.

Travel by wagon is what you see.

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It's 2019 old fella', YouTube, twitter, instagram, vemo and that world wide web thingy allow for national and worldwide exposure streaming for free.

Travel by wagon is what you see.

Riiight. You just keep telling yourself and your little princess that. Oh godd. Community college, here we come! 😂 Hate to break it to ya, hiding behind a computer isn’t gonna help your kid get into Georgetown, Baylor, or even a local D1 school. Until Oregon USYS can produce some Oregon girls playing nationally at top D1 schools, they will always be the egg.

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Riiight. You just keep telling yourself and your little princess that. Oh godd. Community college, here we come! 😂 Hate to break it to ya, hiding behind a computer isn’t gonna help your kid get into Georgetown, Baylor, or even a local D1 school. Until Oregon USYS can produce some Oregon girls playing nationally at top D1 schools, they will always be the egg.

Stanford (Verloo) Duke (Fuller), UofP (many during nat champs days), Notre Dame (Manning) all Oregonians from the good ole USYS.
Maybe your not old enough to know actual outcomes and history.

Do some research and digest that the today's travel outcomes from the subpar oregon talent in the US Club league don't even measure up to the USYS pedigree this state has documented. BTW those kids all rocked it for colleges, while book money travel princess of today doesn't even see the field.

Sorry you didn't know, enjoy your travels to nowhere.

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Stanford (Verloo) Duke (Fuller), UofP (many during nat champs days), Notre Dame (Manning) all Oregonians from the good ole USYS.
Maybe your not old enough to know actual outcomes and history.

Do some research and digest that the today's travel outcomes from the subpar oregon talent in the US Club league don't even measure up to the USYS pedigree this state has documented. BTW those kids all rocked it for colleges, while book money travel princess of today doesn't even see the field.

Sorry you didn't know, enjoy your travels to nowhere.

LMAO... for someone who called me old fella? Bwaahaaahaaa

Verloo was a college super senior in 2013. That’s the only one i looked up. That was pre-ecnl. Half of what you listed is west coast.

Times have changed old man. Catch up!!

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Stanford (Verloo) Duke (Fuller), UofP (many during nat champs days), Notre Dame (Manning) all Oregonians from the good ole USYS.
Maybe your not old enough to know actual outcomes and history.

Do some research and digest that the today's travel outcomes from the subpar oregon talent in the US Club league don't even measure up to the USYS pedigree this state has documented. BTW those kids all rocked it for colleges, while book money travel princess of today doesn't even see the field.

Sorry you didn't know, enjoy your travels to nowhere.

No “Manning” on the ND roster for the past 10 years. Who do you tell this **** to and who believes your nonsense?

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Egg/chicken confusion says a lot about you. Most kids play USYS at some point (usually youth soccer). Hint: egg. The only time I’ve seen someone revert back to USYS (egg) is after they are already committed.

ECNL is the only league I see providing national exposure giving Oregon ladies opportunities beyond the west coast.

If someone wants "national exposure", by which I assume you mean "travel beyond the west coast so you might be seen by an Eastern college scout", you don't have to join ECNL to get that. Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast.

But keep in mind--college coaches are looking for PLAYERS, not TEAMS. If there is a player they are interested in, they generally will find a way to see them without them having to make an appearance at a cattle call. The cattle calls aren't for the stars of the show, they're for the dancers and the chorus.

ECNL can help with recruiting. So can Thorns--Peregrine knows that most of the players who play in their youth academies (boys or girls) will never get a first-team contract (or even minutes on T2 for the guys), so college support has become part of the program.

But if a girl "needs" ECNL to get recruited--if she's not good enough to be noticed without doing the showcase circuit, hoping some coach will think she's a diamond in the rough--chances are she's better off saving the money for tuition and playing as a walk-on. If your DD likes travel soccer and have the money, have at it. But if your goal is funding her education--the craps table at the Mirage is probably a better investment.

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No “Manning” on the ND roster for the past 10 years. Who do you tell this **** to and who believes your nonsense?

I assume the OP means Maggie Manning (Jesuit HS class of 2001). Dumbazz.

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Found Fuller at Norte Dame. She was a college junior in 2 0 0 1. Yay Oregon USYS.

Didn’t think players from almost 20 years ago would be brought into the egg/chicken argument. Wow!!! 😄

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“Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast.”

That’s asinine. One national travel by one local club who “might” get into a tournament is gambling with your future. ECNL provides multiple opportunities. You are giving really BAD advice.

“But keep in mind--college coaches are looking for PLAYERS, not TEAMS.”

Agree.

“If there is a player they are interested in, they generally will find a way to see them without them having to make an appearance at a cattle call. The cattle calls aren't for the stars of the show, they're for the dancers and the chorus.”

Bad advice again. That’s so rare. So you think east coast coach is gonna look at an email, video and resume, then jump on a plane to go watch your daughter play on the west coast? Nuh-uh. Good luck with that. If they make that fancy trip it’s probably not for your girl.

“ECNL can help with recruiting.”

ECNL made the recruitment process much easier for my daughter.

My travel is to watch my D1 daughter play. She secured herself a sweet scholarship. My daughter didn’t go to tourneys waiting to get noticed like a diamond in the rough. She worked her ass off to make sure she was noticed before she showed up so she wasn’t wasting anyone’s time. And no, ECNL doesn’t cost 10k/yr.

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Found Fuller at Norte Dame. She was a college junior in 2 0 0 1. Yay Oregon USYS.

Didn’t think players from almost 20 years ago would be brought into the egg/chicken argument. Wow!!! 😄

Dunce Cap

Manning: Notre Dame. 2002-05/6

Fuller: Duke & Santa Clara.

Verloo: Stanford https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Verloo

Altitude sickness impairs cognitive thought.

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Dunce Cap

Manning: Notre Dame. 2002-05/6

Fuller: Duke & Santa Clara.

Verloo: Stanford https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtney_Verloo

Altitude sickness impairs cognitive thought.

Fuller all acc Duke 3yrs..then Cal 1 year, not santa clarra but close.
Manning played at Notre Dame til 2005...btw NCAA champion in 2004.
USYS is both the chicken and egg.

Us club(ecnl)--has a daddy.

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“Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast.”

That’s asinine. One national travel by one local club who “might” get into a tournament is gambling with your future. ECNL provides multiple opportunities. You are giving really BAD advice.

“But keep in mind--college coaches are looking for PLAYERS, not TEAMS.”

Agree.

“If there is a player they are interested in, they generally will find a way to see them without them having to make an appearance at a cattle call. The cattle calls aren't for the stars of the show, they're for the dancers and the chorus.”

Bad advice again. That’s so rare. So you think east coast coach is gonna look at an email, video and resume, then jump on a plane to go watch your daughter play on the west coast? Nuh-uh. Good luck with that. If they make that fancy trip it’s probably not for your girl.

“ECNL can help with recruiting.”

ECNL made the recruitment process much easier for my daughter.

My travel is to watch my D1 daughter play. She secured herself a sweet scholarship. My daughter didn’t go to tourneys waiting to get noticed like a diamond in the rough. She worked her ass off to make sure she was noticed before she showed up so she wasn’t wasting anyone’s time. And no, ECNL doesn’t cost 10k/yr.

I think we MOSTLY agree on things. In preparing for college, there are several questions that need to be asked:

* What is the priority for your child? Is she going to college primarily for soccer--looking to advance her career in the sport, and the education is secondary? Or is her goal to get a degree, and soccer something she's either doing for fun, or to help fund the education?

* What sort of soccer environment and experience does she want? D1 school, mid-major, liberal arts college, community college, diploma mill? Star, starter, reserve, benchwarmer?

* What academic experience does she want? Specific college or academic program in mind? Any decent school? Any place that will give her a scholarship?

* How good is she, really? Blue-chip player? Good enough to get PT at all but the most elite programs? Someone who needs the right situation? Or someone who really isn't talented to play soccer at the next level, at least for a scholarship program?

* Is soccer a key part of how she intends to finance her education?


For some girls, the ECNL/travel club experience is enjoyable regardless of any college benefits; if she and her family can afford this, go for it! For others, especially those who really wants to play college ball, is not a blue-chip player but one who can benefit from exposure, and isn't depending on a scholarship to pay for college, ECNL is also beneficial. And if you get into a good team/club (say the CU 03s), playing there is worth it even if you don't care about the showcases.

On the other hand, spending lots of money on travel in high school, in order to earn a scholarship in college, is PROBABLY not a wise investment; putting the travel money in a 528 might be a better idea. And if you think that all local ECNL programs are automatically better than all OYSA programs (or the Thorns for that matter), think again--some of the local ECNL teams aren't very good. There's probably not much difference in coaching quality between the leagues, and the main benefit will be from talent aggregation--IF you can get on one of the top teams.

And the same is true at OYSA.

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If someone wants "national exposure", by which I assume you mean "travel beyond the west coast so you might be seen by an Eastern college scout", you don't have to join ECNL to get that. Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast.

But keep in mind--college coaches are looking for PLAYERS, not TEAMS. If there is a player they are interested in, they generally will find a way to see them without them having to make an appearance at a cattle call. The cattle calls aren't for the stars of the show, they're for the dancers and the chorus.

ECNL can help with recruiting. So can Thorns--Peregrine knows that most of the players who play in their youth academies (boys or girls) will never get a first-team contract (or even minutes on T2 for the guys), so college support has become part of the program.

But if a girl "needs" ECNL to get recruited--if she's not good enough to be noticed without doing the showcase circuit, hoping some coach will think she's a diamond in the rough--chances are she's better off saving the money for tuition and playing as a walk-on. If your DD likes travel soccer and have the money, have at it. But if your goal is funding her education--the craps table at the Mirage is probably a better investment.

"Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast." Sure. But what if your local team's players don't want to go to a "top-notch tourney" across the country? Most girls in Oregon want to play in the PNW. So what if you have a team of 18, and 11 parents say no way are we paying to go to Florida/Dallas/New Jersey/wherever? That's where ECNL or Thorns can help. They don't necessarily consolidate the top talent, but they consolidate players who are motivated to travel and families who are willing/have the means to travel (don't even try to make the weak argument that Thorns makes this more affordable - that lie was proven false years ago).

If your kid is lucky enough to hit the jackpot and be the right age in the right area (Salmon Creek 00's, Salem 01's, Vancouver 02's, GPS 03's), then yes, they can get all the nation-wide exposure they want staying with that small local club. But for the vast majority of kids who don't fall into those narrow parameters, ECNL or Thorns is their only option if they want exposure outside of the west coast. This is why you see kids from Eugene, Bend, and even Medford joining ECNL and Thorns teams. Not necessarily because the talent in Eugene, Bend, and Medford is grossly inferior - but because the kids that live in those areas for the most part don't want to play outside of Oregon/Washington, and the clubs aren't willing to travel to support the 2-3 players per team who have different goals for college.

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"Plenty of top-notch tourneys around the country who will gladly take a decent team from the West Coast." Sure. But what if your local team's players don't want to go to a "top-notch tourney" across the country? Most girls in Oregon want to play in the PNW. So what if you have a team of 18, and 11 parents say no way are we paying to go to Florida/Dallas/New Jersey/wherever? That's where ECNL or Thorns can help. They don't necessarily consolidate the top talent, but they consolidate players who are motivated to travel and families who are willing/have the means to travel (don't even try to make the weak argument that Thorns makes this more affordable - that lie was proven false years ago).

If your kid is lucky enough to hit the jackpot and be the right age in the right area (Salmon Creek 00's, Salem 01's, Vancouver 02's, GPS 03's), then yes, they can get all the nation-wide exposure they want staying with that small local club. But for the vast majority of kids who don't fall into those narrow parameters, ECNL or Thorns is their only option if they want exposure outside of the west coast. This is why you see kids from Eugene, Bend, and even Medford joining ECNL and Thorns teams. Not necessarily because the talent in Eugene, Bend, and Medford is grossly inferior - but because the kids that live in those areas for the most part don't want to play outside of Oregon/Washington, and the clubs aren't willing to travel to support the 2-3 players per team who have different goals for college.

Agree with this. Pretty much spot on. I'm not the previous poster.