ODP - Is it worth it?

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The name of the programs is highly deceiving. The experience for us was a complete waste of time. My kid complained that the coaches were half-hearted and didn't care. I went and watched a couple trainings and the level was about 5 notches below our club experience.

My daughter had a similar experience, apathetic coaches, rec players etc. it’s a money grab. Cool adidas gear and a few cold Sunday evening practices. My son made it to ODP “nationals”, great exposure and some great games along the way. ODP is good exposure for OR kids if they make it Phoenix and beyond

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So it seems BM is coaching in the 21st century and the snapping turtles are not keeping pace. This board is constantly disparaging Portland as a youth soccer backwater. BM is building a club that can compete nationally. He’s a good coach. United went 2-2 in the NL tournament last week, besting the number one team in the nation, if you believe GotSoccer. Two United O4B made the ODP national pool, neither were TA. Two out of 23 ain’t bad. Yeah, he was coaching at Interregionals too.

If you really think BM is using Phoenix to recruit players, that’s a serious accusation, you should take it up with PYSA instead of crying unfair on this board. Maybe that will free up a spot for your boy.

He isn't doing it any more--after all, he was ousted as the 04 age group coach and no longer has any ODP slots to offer anyone.

And what PYSA (a rec league) would have to do with this, I have no bloody idea.

(That said, I think a requirement for coaching ODP is that ODP coaches should coach age groups other than any age they coach at club. Simply to remove one possible avenue of abuse).

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It appears to be a "big" team and a "small" team, more than an A team and a B team, at least from what I can tell. (The one 05 who made the Region IV team from Oregon last year, for example, is on the B team--he's technically excellent but on the small side. Which didn't keep him from embarrassing anyone who tried to guard him during the training sessions, though he was injured midway through).

Which isn't to say the B team players are all better--in terms of technical skill, the groups appear to have parity. Given that, I would expect the A team to beat the B team head-to-head; with everything else being equal, the bigger, faster, stronger team would have the advantage.

This is for the most part biased. I was at every training session and can say without agenda (my son was on the 3rd team and spent most of his time standing around) the "big team" was vastly superior to the "little team." The 05 you refeeenced was easily marked and handled EVERY TIME he matched up. Sorry, I know why you want to say that the A team is only built on size and speed, but that is just not the case (for the most part.) There are some very skilled players on the 05 "A" team; however, there are also a couple head scratchers who are not only there due to their size, but also due to their affiliation with the ODP Coach. I just couldn't let this pass.

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He isn't doing it any more--after all, he was ousted as the 04 age group coach and no longer has any ODP slots to offer anyone.

And what PYSA (a rec league) would have to do with this, I have no bloody idea.

(That said, I think a requirement for coaching ODP is that ODP coaches should coach age groups other than any age they coach at club. Simply to remove one possible avenue of abuse).

Actually BM was recently promoted to region IV head coach - https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/west/o...-boys-coaches/

Added former FC Director, Rob Baarts to the staff.

What reindeer games happen at the state level is between Westside and the Timbers; but Oregon influence at Region IV seems to be increasing, which should be a net good thing.

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This is for the most part biased. I was at every training session and can say without agenda (my son was on the 3rd team and spent most of his time standing around) the "big team" was vastly superior to the "little team." The 05 you refeeenced was easily marked and handled EVERY TIME he matched up. Sorry, I know why you want to say that the A team is only built on size and speed, but that is just not the case (for the most part.) There are some very skilled players on the 05 "A" team; however, there are also a couple head scratchers who are not only there due to their size, but also due to their affiliation with the ODP Coach. I just couldn't let this pass.

You are full of chit- this was a joke at the 05 boys level and my son is on the A team and was on the field and running a lot. All Cony did was scrimmage, very little to no technical development and it’s obvious there is a westside bias as certain kids were given several “ “liberties” from not even showing up to pulling up “lame” when it came time for running. And conditioning. How’s the bathroom Is my question? A lot of 1v1 selfish bad soccer and the A team had trouble even scoring and consistently possessing the ball and in no way was “superior” as you say. They are bigger and more physical which cony allowed to go on.

I would agree that affiliation has a lot to do with who is rostered as the timbers allowed “team chaperones” and those parents offering to buy the extra tickets available on the flight to influence how rosters were filled out. It’s embarrassing that the timbers continue to step on their own d1ck when it comes to these types of opportunities. Having an on age coach handling a group should never happen at odp and it showed through with Approximately 10 westside kids rostered- give me a break...enjoy the extra scrimmage time westside er B team

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Now that talking soccer is back from its holiday vacation, what happened at ODP last weekend?

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You are full of chit- this was a joke at the 05 boys level and my son is on the A team and was on the field and running a lot. All Cony did was scrimmage, very little to no technical development and it’s obvious there is a westside bias as certain kids were given several “ “liberties” from not even showing up to pulling up “lame” when it came time for running. And conditioning. How’s the bathroom Is my question? A lot of 1v1 selfish bad soccer and the A team had trouble even scoring and consistently possessing the ball and in no way was “superior” as you say. They are bigger and more physical which cony allowed to go on.

I would agree that affiliation has a lot to do with who is rostered as the timbers allowed “team chaperones” and those parents offering to buy the extra tickets available on the flight to influence how rosters were filled out. It’s embarrassing that the timbers continue to step on their own d1ck when it comes to these types of opportunities. Having an on age coach handling a group should never happen at odp and it showed through with Approximately 10 westside kids rostered- give me a break...enjoy the extra scrimmage time westside er B team

Is there any evidence of team chaperone choices influencing roster selections? Chaperones weren't announced (or as far as I know, even selected) until after rosters were announced, and the 05 chaperone is someone whose kid would certainly be going anyway.

I saw only 2-3 WT kids playing for the "b" team this past weekend, for what it's worth. Dunno who is going to Phoenix and who isn't, but there were more than a few players who declined.

Good luck to both teams!

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My daughter had a similar experience, apathetic coaches, rec players etc. it’s a money grab. Cool adidas gear and a few cold Sunday evening practices. My son made it to ODP “nationals”, great exposure and some great games along the way. ODP is good exposure for OR kids if they make it Phoenix and beyond

Another way to scam parents out of $$. We did this for 3 years and even did regionals as well as well as the region 4 camp. If your player is one of the top 2-3 players on the state team it could help with exposure. Ecnl/Gda showcases have way more coaches attending from known D1 programs than the ODP events. That’s why so many ECNL/GDA players opt out because ODP doesn’t have the same impact as it did 10 years ago. Players hoping to get ID’d for National camp will be disappointed.

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Early morning scores from Phoenix: https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...d-a6bf1d778bfa

03B: Utah 3, Oregon2 0
05B: Oregon2 1, Colorado 0
07B: New Mexico 3, Oregon2 0
03G: Cal South 4, Oregon 0

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Early morning scores from Phoenix: https://usyouthsoccer.sportsaffinity...d-a6bf1d778bfa

03B: Utah 3, Oregon2 0
05B: Oregon2 1, Colorado 0
07B: New Mexico 3, Oregon2 0
03G: Cal South 4, Oregon 0

07G: Utah 4, Oregon 0
04B: Oregon 1, Utah 1

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03B: Utah 3, Oregon2 0
04B: Oregon 1, Utah 1
05B: Oregon2 1, Colorado 0
07B: New Mexico 3, Oregon2 0
03G: Cal South 4, Oregon 0
07G: Utah 4, Oregon 0

05B: Oregon1 1, Cal North 1
05G: New Mexico 3, Oregon 0

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03B: Utah 3, Oregon2 0
04B: Oregon 1, Utah 1
05B: Oregon2 1, Colorado 0
05B: Oregon1 1, Cal North 1
07B: New Mexico 3, Oregon2 0

03G: Cal South 4, Oregon 0
05G: New Mexico 3, Oregon 0
07G: Utah 4, Oregon 0

03B: Washington 3, Oregon1 2
05B: Cal South 4, Oregon2 0
06B: Utah 1, Oregon 0
07B: Arizona 1, Oregon1 0
06G: Cal North 3, Oregon 0

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Is there any evidence of team chaperone choices influencing roster selections? Chaperones weren't announced (or as far as I know, even selected) until after rosters were announced, and the 05 chaperone is someone whose kid would certainly be going anyway.

I saw only 2-3 WT kids playing for the "b" team this past weekend, for what it's worth. Dunno who is going to Phoenix and who isn't, but there were more than a few players who declined.

Good luck to both teams!

Both twins, both goalies, LM, etc etc should I keep going? Cony and Stevie abused their power, it is what it is and results will bear out. Westside has never been and never will be the top at this age group and having essentially their entire starting unit selected is a joke

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03B: Utah 3, Oregon2 0
03B: Washington 3, Oregon1 2

04B: Oregon 1, Utah 1
05B: Oregon2 1, Colorado 0
05B: Oregon1 1, Cal North 1
05B: Cal South 4, Oregon2 0
06B: Utah 1, Oregon 0
07B: New Mexico 3, Oregon2 0
07B: Arizona 1, Oregon1 0

03G: Cal South 4, Oregon 0
05G: New Mexico 3, Oregon 0
06G: Cal North 3, Oregon 0
07G: Utah 4, Oregon 0

Two Friday scores haven't been posted yet.

03B: Oregon2 7, Colorado 0
07B: S. Nevada 8, 0
08B: Still awaiting the score
04G: Cal South 2, Oregon 0
05G: Still awaiting the score
07G: Oregon 4, Montana 0
08G:

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Both twins, both goalies, LM, etc etc should I keep going? Cony and Stevie abused their power, it is what it is and results will bear out. Westside has never been and never will be the top at this age group and having essentially their entire starting unit selected is a joke

I think the "B" team only has four Westside players going--the twins, one of the goalies (HD), and one other defender. I could be wrong, but quite a few didn't make the trip.

Given that the B05 team 2 are one of only three Oregon teams to win a game on opening day, and both 05 teams are a combined 1-1-1... they aren't doing too badly.