Eastside now the Thorns?

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Forget the player card it is such a small piece of the player fee to the club. What is it now $15.00 if that, for year.

I am talking the league fees and state cup fees all going to the OPL all funneling to the OPC. Now going to the Portland Timbers. The OPL was racking in the cash, rolling in the money.

Then it all went away and now there is some sour grapes. Not pointing any fingures but X-Fire and FC PDX are grasping at US Club ECNL profits as a last ditch effort to be rich soccer barons.

Heaven forbid they try to build a better soccer mouse trap and earn the money.

Again with the revisionist history. Whatever keeps the troops in line in Timberland I guess.

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Again with the revisionist history. Whatever keeps the troops in line in Timberland I guess.

I didn't make the history, I just watched it unfold and laughed at how easy it was for a soccer coup to over throw the OPL/OPC was. I remember the powerpoint presentation about how great and united the OPL was going to be.

It was like rats jumping off a sinking ship going back to OYSA, except the ship wasn't sinking. I think most people would agree there was very little difference between the OPL and OYSA. I payed a fee and played soccer.

The eight founding clubs bound was so weak. I wounder if late at night a certain person smokes his Cuban cigar and ships from his 100 year scotch and mutters to himself, geez that was easy.

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I didn't make the history, I just watched it unfold and laughed at how easy it was for a soccer coup to over throw the OPL/OPC was. I remember the powerpoint presentation about how great and united the OPL was going to be.

It was like rats jumping off a sinking ship going back to OYSA, except the ship wasn't sinking. I think most people would agree there was very little difference between the OPL and OYSA. I payed a fee and played soccer.

The eight founding clubs bound was so weak. I wounder if late at night a certain person smokes his Cuban cigar and ships from his 100 year scotch and mutters to himself, geez that was easy.

One part I would agree with - it was easy, way too easy. That doesn't make it right.

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One part I would agree with - it was easy, way too easy. That doesn't make it right.

Nobody here is noble.

The Timbers got to get their hooks in local youth soccer.

A lot of the blue-chip clubs behind the OPL in the first place thought they would cut out all the smaller clubs and get the pie to themselves.

In the end, we're arguing about chump change anyway.

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What !!!

Nobody here is noble.

The Timbers got to get their hooks in local youth soccer.

A lot of the blue-chip clubs behind the OPL in the first place thought they would cut out all the smaller clubs and get the pie to themselves.

In the end, we're arguing about chump change anyway.

Chump Change????? These are massive MASSIVE revenues in youth soccer leauges and state cups. Do you realize how much money clubs are up streaming to the league masters, used to be the OPL. Do the math, this is what it is all about.

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Chump Change????? These are massive MASSIVE revenues in youth soccer leauges and state cups. Do you realize how much money clubs are up streaming to the league masters, used to be the OPL. Do the math, this is what it is all about.

Yep, there are huge revenue streams.

For example, look at the cost to enter state cup per team versus the costs. Huge margins. Good for them.

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Chump Change????? These are massive MASSIVE revenues in youth soccer leauges and state cups. Do you realize how much money clubs are up streaming to the league masters, used to be the OPL. Do the math, this is what it is all about.

Compared to the revenues one gets from having a hot-ticket MLS team in town (box office, concessions, etc)--running OYSA leagues and cups is relatively small potatoes.

Yes, these things make money--there's a reason that clubs like to run tournaments--it brings in cash. (And local teams playing in each others' tourneys is a fine example of you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours).

But one Timbers game probably brings in more revenue that all the state leagues and cups for an entire year.

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Compared to the revenues one gets from having a hot-ticket MLS team in town (box office, concessions, etc)--running OYSA leagues and cups is relatively small potatoes.

Yes, these things make money--there's a reason that clubs like to run tournaments--it brings in cash. (And local teams playing in each others' tourneys is a fine example of you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours).

But one Timbers game probably brings in more revenue that all the state leagues and cups for an entire year.

Maybe, but compared to the very low revenue generated by the Thornz NWSL team with their constant ticket giveaways, Peregrine has to do something to bolster the bottom line. Sucking several million per year out of unsuspecting youth soccer parents seems like the perfect way for them to "help the community".

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Maybe, but compared to the very low revenue generated by the Thornz NWSL team with their constant ticket giveaways, Peregrine has to do something to bolster the bottom line. Sucking several million per year out of unsuspecting youth soccer parents seems like the perfect way for them to "help the community".

Timbers/Thorns (Peregrine) franchises have an estimated worth in the ballpark of 250mil to 300mil.

The year end net profits (after expenses) from managing OYSA Leagues, Cups & ODP wouldn’t even be enough to cover their annual federal & state income tax bill not to mention payroll tax bill.

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Timbers/Thorns (Peregrine) franchises have an estimated worth in the ballpark of 250mil to 300mil.

The year end net profits (after expenses) from managing OYSA Leagues, Cups & ODP wouldn’t even be enough to cover their annual federal & state income tax bill not to mention payroll tax bill.

That is way they are so profitable, any expense item they are entered in should have a greater revenue to support it.

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That is way they are so profitable, any expense item they are entered in should have a greater revenue to support it.

Read this
https://medium.com/@isaac_krasny/unp...l-827f4b784bcd

If you can wrap your mind around what some call (the MLS) a complex ponzi-scheme or a bubble and really get a handle on what the MLS is (good luck).

You do realize quickly it doesn't resemble in any fashion our traditional professional american sport league (NBA,NFL & MLB) business structure.

Perhaps you will better understand why a MLS franchisee must seek out other revenue streams, outside the box (OYSA admin) given it's (MLS) restrictive single entity DNA.

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No objection to Peregrine making money.

The objection is that the Peregrine/OYSA is a dirty deal: signed by OYSA when they felt "they had a gun to our head" by Gavin (those are OYSA's president's words), through an executive director who was filled with his own conflicts.

Peregrine shouldn't be bullying around local youth organizations. It is unnecessary to build a successful MLS franchise and it is unnecessary to build the Timbers Academy.

This isn't just an ECNL/GDA thing, except that anytime a league or league provider is using it to fund/build their other pseudo-elite programs (whether OPL or OYSA), it muddies the water.

Yes tournaments are set-up that way (no way Crossfire in Washington could fully fund their some of their programs without their big showcase); just no good alternative for summer ball these days.

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Yep, there are huge revenue streams.

For example, look at the cost to enter state cup per team versus the costs. Huge margins. Good for them.

There are huge profits to be made in youth sports. Can’t blame anyone that wants to participate. This is America and last time I checked making money was a good thing.

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No objection to Peregrine making money.

The objection is that the Peregrine/OYSA is a dirty deal: signed by OYSA when they felt "they had a gun to our head" by Gavin (those are OYSA's president's words), through an executive director who was filled with his own conflicts.Peregrine shouldn't be bullying around local youth organizations. It is unnecessary to build a successful MLS franchise and it is unnecessary to build the Timbers Academy.This isn't just an ECNL/GDA thing, except that anytime a league or league provider is using it to fund/build their other pseudo-elite programs (whether OPL or OYSA), it muddies the water. Yes tournaments are set-up that way (no way Crossfire in Washington could fully fund their some of their programs without their big showcase); just no good alternative for summer ball these days.

The 'deal' is legal & binding. Some might call it clean like whistle or dirty like a pig, that's an opinion not a fact. As a private business they don't have to disclose if they make a little, lose a little, make bank or just break even.

Who is being bullied? and more importantly how?

US Soccer runs the DA as such, they have no relationship with any USYS or US Club (ecnl) internal league marketing efforts.

Coming up with a theory that Peregrine running OYSA services and using what little profits could be generated in this enterprise enables them (Peregrine) to fund their multi million dollar MLS/NWSL yearly Academies is purely your imagination and nonsensical on so many levels. What proof do you have?

Tourneys are income generators absolutely, guess what many local clubs have 3rd party operators that take a large chunk for running these. Are those 'dirty deals' as well.

You may not like the deal, but the deal is done.

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No objection to Peregrine making money.

The objection is that the Peregrine/OYSA is a dirty deal: signed by OYSA when they felt "they had a gun to our head" by Gavin (those are OYSA's president's words), through an executive director who was filled with his own conflicts.

Peregrine shouldn't be bullying around local youth organizations. It is unnecessary to build a successful MLS franchise and it is unnecessary to build the Timbers Academy.

This isn't just an ECNL/GDA thing, except that anytime a league or league provider is using it to fund/build their other pseudo-elite programs (whether OPL or OYSA), it muddies the water.

Yes tournaments are set-up that way (no way Crossfire in Washington could fully fund their some of their programs without their big showcase); just no good alternative for summer ball these days.

Ha, this is so funny, you are making my morning.

Some members of the former OPL/OPC are blaming OYSA/Timbers for their demise. Fact is the OYSA/Timbers deal was signed while the OPL controlled 99% of Oregon Youth Soccer. The OYSA/Timbers partnership was able move the clubs from the OPL to OYSA in a matter of months. You are blaming someone for out performing you in a business deal.

"If OYSA/Timbers wouldn't have entered the market place we (OPL would still be in business"

You are blaming someone else for your lack of ability to keep your business. Look in the mirror and point the finger at yourself.