Scorecard: ECNL vs GDA

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When it comes down to it, the player and parent get to claim themselves as the one that got them to signing an NLI. Keeping grades up, training hard, committment to the sport, life choices, etc. Oh and lets not forget how much work goes in to the recruitment process. If a player verbally committs early, thats no guarantee of an NLI. A player must continue to work hard to maintain these attributes to see that through. Doesn’t matter what club or coach, Its the player that has worked hard and given up so much.

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TS posters: That girl verbally committed with her OYSA team before moving to ECNL. ECNL can’t claim that commit!

Girl in Question: My future college coach advised me to move to ECNL to get ready for faster pace of college play.

TS posters: I call BS! Your commit is an OYSA commit and everyone knows college coaches don’t care about things like that.

Also TS posters: It doesn’t matter if a girl played 11 out of 12 years with an OYSA team and/or FCP. She was in a Thorns Jersey when she signed her NLI so we are counting her. Besides everyone knows college coaches want these girls playing a higher level to get ready for college.

(As the parent of a kid who didn’t play ECNL or DA, the level of hypocrisy from both sides is laughable.)

Yes, this. On both sides.

Primary credit for a girl's development--goes to the girl herself. Her talent, her drive, her hard work. (And likewise for boys).

Second credit goes to her family, for putting up with all of the tremendous mounds of youth soccer bullsh1t.

Then, finally, to clubs and coaches--all of whom who think they are Sir Alex Ferguson, but 99% of which aren't fit to carry Bruce Arena's clipboard.

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Verbals, hon, mean nothing. It's the banner under which the player signed her NLI.

I've seen other clubs claim players when they signed NLI although they played elsewhere before senior year.

FYI-Recruiters monitor players throughout their high school years. If a player switches clubs the recruiter definitely knows and continues to see the player in action. How the player adapts to new coaching and philosophy and new team dynamics is part of notes taken before that NLI goes out.

Spin away "hon" solo. Somebody might buy your lies.

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When it comes down to it, the player and parent get to claim themselves as the one that got them to signing an NLI. Keeping grades up, training hard, committment to the sport, life choices, etc. Oh and lets not forget how much work goes in to the recruitment process. If a player verbally committs early, thats no guarantee of an NLI. A player must continue to work hard to maintain these attributes to see that through. Doesn’t matter what club or coach, Its the player that has worked hard and given up so much.

This is very true. Some commits will fall through - they don't keep up their grades and can't get in, player doesn't keep working hard, plateaus on their own accord while other players get stronger, coaches leave or change their minds. Bad behavior or social media trouble can result in pulled offers also. The player can change their mind too - SHOCKING I know when you're asking freshmen and increasingly 8th graders to select a school when they don't even have a year of HS under their belts!

That said, most commitments stick. Coaches don't want to rescind offers often because that can give them a bad reputation and make recruiting more difficult. When you commit - even though it's verbal - you're expected to take yourself off the market, so you're not continuing to see what else is out there. But that doesn't mean you take you foot off the gas.

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Yes, this. On both sides.

Primary credit for a girl's development--goes to the girl herself. Her talent, her drive, her hard work. (And likewise for boys).

Second credit goes to her family, for putting up with all of the tremendous mounds of youth soccer bullsh1t.

Then, finally, to clubs and coaches--all of whom who think they are Sir Alex Ferguson, but 99% of which aren't fit to carry Bruce Arena's clipboard.

Clubs play this claim game all the time. Usually it's whatever club they were with senior year. Commitment lists are a marketing tool to attract more talent. Parents from the outside won't know. This year it's especially comical for GDA clubs to claim girls since probably more than 90% or higher were already committed before a whistle blew at the first ever GDA game. Every girl on those lists developed elsewhere.

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Clubs play this claim game all the time. Usually it's whatever club they were with senior year. Commitment lists are a marketing tool to attract more talent. Parents from the outside won't know. This year it's especially comical for GDA clubs to claim girls since probably more than 90% or higher were already committed before a whistle blew at the first ever GDA game. Every girl on those lists developed elsewhere.

Substitute ECNL for GDA and out is the same argument I've heard from OYSA regarding ECNL taking credit. Shoe is on the other foot and foot is now in ECNL's mouth.

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Take the 2 Cal players, Gonzaga, and GCU players, move them to FCP which is where they committed, and that’s the true Thorns class. Nothing to be ashamed of, is what it is. The Thorns hadn’t played a competitive match in GDA for them to take credit. They can take credit for making it a cheaper option.

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Take the 2 Cal players, Gonzaga, and GCU players, move them to FCP which is where they committed, and that’s the true Thorns class. Nothing to be ashamed of, is what it is. The Thorns hadn’t played a competitive match in GDA for them to take credit. They can take credit for making it a cheaper option.

That isn't how it works. Nice try. FCP loses most ECNL games, girls defect. GDA class is as of NLI day as is every clubs classes. Drilling down to club of origin means a good portion of ECNL commits would be credited to other clubs.

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That isn't how it works. Nice try. FCP loses most ECNL games, girls defect. GDA class is as of NLI day as is every clubs classes. Drilling down to club of origin means a good portion of ECNL commits would be credited to other clubs.

Well, the reasonable thing to do would be to credit commits to the club the player played for when the commit (verbal or otherwise) was initially made. But it sounds like you’re more interested in winning an argument than being reasonable.

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Well, the reasonable thing to do would be to credit commits to the club the player played for when the commit (verbal or otherwise) was initially made. But it sounds like you’re more interested in winning an argument than being reasonable.

Most reasonable would be to give credit to the club where the player spent the most time.

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Clubs play this claim game all the time. Usually it's whatever club they were with senior year. Commitment lists are a marketing tool to attract more talent. Parents from the outside won't know. This year it's especially comical for GDA clubs to claim girls since probably more than 90% or higher were already committed before a whistle blew at the first ever GDA game. Every girl on those lists developed elsewhere.

Agree with some of what you said. However, 8 committed players from this group of 15 that are seniors have been playing with the Thorns For 3 years now.

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Well, the reasonable thing to do would be to credit commits to the club the player played for when the commit (verbal or otherwise) was initially made. But it sounds like you’re more interested in winning an argument than being reasonable.

The reasonable thing to do is for clubs to not take credit for commits. Congratulate the girls, if necessary--but coaches who boast about "commits" are like roosters taking credit for the sun coming up.

Especially when a girl plays for multiple clubs during her youth career, and we get into pointless arguments about which club is solely responsible. They all were part of her path, they all should share the credit.

But the irony of this thread remains: ECNL coaches, who have made a habit of marketing "commits" made by girls at their clubs who only came their as juniors or seniors, are now mad the GDA is doing the same to them. Perhaps KL and the rest will recognize the folly of this.

Or maybe not. One of the signs of a grifter is that they won't be shamed by evidence of hypocrisy. They will squeal like piggies when the bad things they do to others are done to them, but they won't stop doing them or feel a bit sorry. And if they are caught, it's OK because "everybody does it, and the other guy did it first". Morality and ethics are for suckers.

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The reasonable thing to do is for clubs to not take credit for commits. Congratulate the girls, if necessary--but coaches who boast about "commits" are like roosters taking credit for the sun coming up.

Especially when a girl plays for multiple clubs during her youth career, and we get into pointless arguments about which club is solely responsible. They all were part of her path, they all should share the credit.

But the irony of this thread remains: ECNL coaches, who have made a habit of marketing "commits" made by girls at their clubs who only came their as juniors or seniors, are now mad the GDA is doing the same to them. Perhaps KL and the rest will recognize the folly of this.

Or maybe not. One of the signs of a grifter is that they won't be shamed by evidence of hypocrisy. They will squeal like piggies when the bad things they do to others are done to them, but they won't stop doing them or feel a bit sorry. And if they are caught, it's OK because "everybody does it, and the other guy did it first". Morality and ethics are for suckers.

Well stated and that was the point of the list to begin with. ECNL wants it both ways. The players should receive the credit for the hard work. Academies/clubs fall in line behind the parents and then the coaches.

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That isn't how it works. Nice try. FCP loses most ECNL games, girls defect. GDA class is as of NLI day as is every clubs classes. Drilling down to club of origin means a good portion of ECNL commits would be credited to other clubs.

I dont see how a club that is inheriting those players already committed can take the credit. They didn’t give them that exposure, and weren’t a part of that process. Those FCP players that left, left a winning team that finished in the top bracket of ECNL that season.

“She’s been with us for four months, verbally committed for two years, we’ll take all the credit!” LOL

Congrats to the girls.

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I dont see how a club that is inheriting those players already committed can take the credit. They didn’t give them that exposure, and weren’t a part of that process. Those FCP players that left, left a winning team that finished in the top bracket of ECNL that season.

“She’s been with us for four months, verbally committed for two years, we’ll take all the credit!” LOL

Congrats to the girls.

Thornz had to do something. They'd been skunked for the last 3 years so they went out and recruited some kids that had already committed so they might fool a few lemmings and cavemen...