Questions to all ECNL parents who have daughters riding the pine

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I'm a little confused..isn't ECNL and THORNS supposed to be for the ELITE player and not be about the everyone gets to play model? Just because you are on a team in college does not mean you get to play. Kids need to earn their spot, minutes and play time. Elite programs prepare kids for that. By all means ask if you are concerned about where your darling daughter is on the team and if she is not a top 14 then go elsewhere, it probably isn't a good fit. But please don't expect the elite players to give up their hard earned minutes just so the bench warmers can play. I really don't see a problem with benching players. Welcome to the real world.

Reality check.

1. This is not college. ECNL is a league to prep for college level soccer, so how is the player or benchwarmer going to acclimate to college level play when they are sitting on the bench? Sure, trainings with their teammates are good, but it's different from an actual game environment with more competitive teams from out of state.
2. Besides from being psychic, how are you to predict that your daughter will be a benchwarmer when you accept the spot after tryouts? In hindsight, I should have known that those spots were not earned. The starters are entitled. They were the same players who played the year before. The rosters don't change, no matter how hard the new players work or how talented they are.
3. It's ironic that you say the elite players earned those hard earned minutes. Seriously? Throughout this entire year, my daughter and her other benchwarmer teammates, have had to watch those starters miss practices and still get 100% playing time. They missed more practices than the benchwarmers. Then, we all had to watch the starters make mistake after mistake in the games but the coaches, unconsciously biased, were too oblivious to see these mistakes. The coaches don't understand why they are winning these games. it's simple. Because these elite starters are making mistakes and they cannot play 80 minutes of a high pressure game. They are too tired, but the stupid coaches don't see this.

Those starter spots are entitled, so don't even argue that those were hard-earned minutes.

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Reality check.

1. This is not college. ECNL is a league to prep for college level soccer, so how is the player or benchwarmer going to acclimate to college level play when they are sitting on the bench? Sure, trainings with their teammates are good, but it's different from an actual game environment with more competitive teams from out of state.
2. Besides from being psychic, how are you to predict that your daughter will be a benchwarmer when you accept the spot after tryouts? In hindsight, I should have known that those spots were not earned. The starters are entitled. They were the same players who played the year before. The rosters don't change, no matter how hard the new players work or how talented they are.
3. It's ironic that you say the elite players earned those hard earned minutes. Seriously? Throughout this entire year, my daughter and her other benchwarmer teammates, have had to watch those starters miss practices and still get 100% playing time. They missed more practices than the benchwarmers. Then, we all had to watch the starters make mistake after mistake in the games but the coaches, unconsciously biased, were too oblivious to see these mistakes. The coaches don't understand why they are not winning these games. it's simple. Because these elite starters are making mistakes and they cannot play 80 minutes of a high pressure game. They are too tired, but the stupid coaches don't see this.

Those starter spots are entitled, so don't even argue that those were hard-earned minutes.

I need to correct the statement "the coaches don't understand why they are winning games" to "the coaches don't understand why they are NOT winning games."

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I need to correct the statement "the coaches don't understand why they are winning games" to "the coaches don't understand why they are NOT winning games."

You must be talking about ECNL as they haven't won any games.

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Of course no one has complained, because this entire story is BS. KL was so mean to the younger girls in pre-ECNL events last year that they all wanted to play for him. Now his 05 team is the best in OR and he's been very successful at setting up friendlies with many of the best ECNL programs to help OR girls learn early on what it takes to compete out of state. Hopefully you're just an OR mom who thinks everyone should get equal playing time and participation medals. Otherwise you're on a nasty smear campaign with your own agenda.

Deja vu. You sound like the Onyx parents who thought TA was the best coach out there. The board, after many years, finally got rid of that toxic coach, and KL will experience the same fate some day too. They said, TA is the best because he took Onyx to the national championships, so he has to be the best coach. Your argument is flawed and your inductive reasoning is weak. Just because KL's 05 team is the best in Oregon, as you say, doesn't make him a great coach. In your eyes, yes, he is a great coach because he has a successful 05 team. There are countless stories of coaches who have taken their teams to national or regional titles, but that doesn't make them great coaches. They are a dime a dozen. The great coaches don't humiliate or single out players and KL does that. It is not BS, but a legitimate experience.

Another note. Your 05 team are still 5th and 6th graders, right? You are silly to think that they are on top of the world. If they are still at the top in 4 or 5 years, then great. The other kids or teams may catch up in development or skill and who knows, your team may plateau. Seen it so many times.

Lastly, I'll address your comment about participation medals and equal playing time. You must think that I am a coddler or the benchwarmer parents coddle their kids. It's ironic that you say this because the starters are the coddled ones, at least for the older age ECNL teams. They get 100% playing time in every game and since they know this, they miss more practices than the benchwarmers, and they don't care because they know they will get 100% playing time. They also are entitled with these roster spots because KL has a great relationship with these kids' parents or KL knows these parents will provide fringe benefits, or these parents are on the board, etc. These starters make mistake after mistake and lose the games, but KL is oblivious because he is unconsciously biased.

Who is the coddled one? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who go to all the practices knowing they will not play in the games? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who pay $500-$1000 for travel expenses and know they will get 15 minutes total playing time the entire weekend, but they still go and cheer on their entitled starter teammates? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who get berated and humiliated by KL and still continue on with intensity and a smile on their faces? Who are the coddled ones? The starters who are never told they do anything wrong and who get 100% playing time or the benchwarmers who show up to every practice and game, cheer their teammates on, and follow through on their commitments to the club, financially and physically?

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I couldn't agree with you more, KL is demonstrative and constantly coaching the girls with high expectations and got good results from his pre-ecnl team. While he might scream a little much for my tastes, I haven't witnessed any incessant berating of players. My DD has enjoyed his coaching and has learned a lot. If you're competing against the best of the best then you better learn to bring it, and you shouldn't expect to be coddled.

Copying this from another posting of mine:

Lastly, I'll address your comment about participation medals and equal playing time. You must think that I am a coddler or the benchwarmer parents coddle their kids. It's ironic that you say this because the starters are the coddled ones, at least for the older age ECNL teams. They get 100% playing time in every game and since they know this, they miss more practices than the benchwarmers, and they don't care because they know they will get 100% playing time. They also are entitled with these roster spots because KL has a great relationship with these kids' parents or KL knows these parents will provide fringe benefits, or these parents are on the board, etc. These starters make mistake after mistake and lose the games, but KL is oblivious because he is unconsciously biased.

Who is the coddled one? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who go to all the practices knowing they will not play in the games? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who pay $500-$1000 for travel expenses and know they will get 15 minutes total playing time the entire weekend, but they still go and cheer on their entitled starter teammates? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who get berated and humiliated by KL and still continue on with intensity and a smile on their faces? Who are the coddled ones? The starters who are never told they do anything wrong and who get 100% playing time or the benchwarmers who show up to every practice and game, cheer their teammates on, and follow through on their commitments to the club, financially and physically?

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Deja vu. You sound like the Onyx parents who thought TA was the best coach out there. The board, after many years, finally got rid of that toxic coach, and KL will experience the same fate some day too. They said, TA is the best because he took Onyx to the national championships, so he has to be the best coach. Your argument is flawed and your inductive reasoning is weak. Just because KL's 05 team is the best in Oregon, as you say, doesn't make him a great coach. In your eyes, yes, he is a great coach because he has a successful 05 team. There are countless stories of coaches who have taken their teams to national or regional titles, but that doesn't make them great coaches. They are a dime a dozen. The great coaches don't humiliate or single out players and KL does that. It is not BS, but a legitimate experience.

Another note. Your 05 team are still 5th and 6th graders, right? You are silly to think that they are on top of the world. If they are still at the top in 4 or 5 years, then great. The other kids or teams may catch up in development or skill and who knows, your team may plateau. Seen it so many times.

Lastly, I'll address your comment about participation medals and equal playing time. You must think that I am a coddler or the benchwarmer parents coddle their kids. It's ironic that you say this because the starters are the coddled ones, at least for the older age ECNL teams. They get 100% playing time in every game and since they know this, they miss more practices than the benchwarmers, and they don't care because they know they will get 100% playing time. They also are entitled with these roster spots because KL has a great relationship with these kids' parents or KL knows these parents will provide fringe benefits, or these parents are on the board, etc. These starters make mistake after mistake and lose the games, but KL is oblivious because he is unconsciously biased.

Who is the coddled one? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who go to all the practices knowing they will not play in the games? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who pay $500-$1000 for travel expenses and know they will get 15 minutes total playing time the entire weekend, but they still go and cheer on their entitled starter teammates? My benchwarmer kid and her benchwarmer teammates who get berated and humiliated by KL and still continue on with intensity and a smile on their faces? Who are the coddled ones? The starters who are never told they do anything wrong and who get 100% playing time or the benchwarmers who show up to every practice and game, cheer their teammates on, and follow through on their commitments to the club, financially and physically?

Dude, quit whining and find another club.

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This coaches problem is and always has been his political motivation. He has no track record of actual player development. It would only make sense to jump on one of his ECNL teams your Sophmore year if your are player 1-11 but know you are on your own and out there just for yourself.

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Agreed. My DD has enjoyed playing for him and has grown as a player and loves the way he pushes her. In her words "he's making a better player".

Allow me to share an excerpt from a publication written by Hitler's loyal supporters, circulated in 1932. If you cannot accept that there are other players out there who have had legitimate, awful experiences with KL, then you are as good as Hitler's supporters, blind and oblivious.

here's the excerpt:

"Even Hitler’s opponents cannot deny that his party members not only believe fanatically in the Führer, but also love him passionately, honor him so much that dozens died for him, smiling and with his name on their lips. As Führer, Adolf Hitler stands far above us all, but as a person he is as our father or bother. He knows our suffering and our sorrows, feels them with us, because he himself rwent through life™s hardest school and never forgot his own years of bitter poverty.

Everyone, therefore, comes to him for help, and just as he will one day be the savior of the whole people, today he helps each individual fighter. That is how the relationship of loyalty and camaraderie developed between Führer and follower developed that binds heart to heart, and which no power on earth can destroy. "

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You must be talking about ECNL as they haven't won any games.

Yes, I am referring to ECNL

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Allow me to share an excerpt from a publication written by Hitler's loyal supporters, circulated in 1932. If you cannot accept that there are other players out there who have had legitimate, awful experiences with KL, then you are as good as Hitler's supporters, blind and oblivious.

here's the excerpt:

"Even Hitler’s opponents cannot deny that his party members not only believe fanatically in the Führer, but also love him passionately, honor him so much that dozens died for him, smiling and with his name on their lips. As Führer, Adolf Hitler stands far above us all, but as a person he is as our father or bother. He knows our suffering and our sorrows, feels them with us, because he himself rwent through life™s hardest school and never forgot his own years of bitter poverty.

Everyone, therefore, comes to him for help, and just as he will one day be the savior of the whole people, today he helps each individual fighter. That is how the relationship of loyalty and camaraderie developed between Führer and follower developed that binds heart to heart, and which no power on earth can destroy. "

Good Godwin.

Comparing a soccer coach to Hitler?

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on this forum.

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This coaches problem is and always has been his political motivation. He has no track record of actual player development. It would only make sense to jump on one of his ECNL teams your Sophmore year if your are player 1-11 but know you are on your own and out there just for yourself.

Financial woes can steer certain people like this coach to make political choices, unconsciously and deliberately. I learned something about him a few weeks ago from an excellent source and I now pity him.

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Financial woes can steer certain people like this coach to make political choices, unconsciously and deliberately. I learned something about him a few weeks ago from an excellent source and I now pity him.

Do tell

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Good Godwin.

Comparing a soccer coach to Hitler?

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on this forum.

No, Dumbo, go back to college and take some courses on critical thinking skills.

The comparison I was making was between the dim-witted supporters of KL and the Hitler supporters - they cannot see any wrong and therefore glorify leaders who clearly have issues.

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Do tell

Sorry, I cannot because it will expose my source.

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Reality check.

1. This is not college. ECNL is a league to prep for college level soccer, so how is the player or benchwarmer going to acclimate to college level play when they are sitting on the bench? Sure, trainings with their teammates are good, but it's different from an actual game environment with more competitive teams from out of state.
2. Besides from being psychic, how are you to predict that your daughter will be a benchwarmer when you accept the spot after tryouts? In hindsight, I should have known that those spots were not earned. The starters are entitled. They were the same players who played the year before. The rosters don't change, no matter how hard the new players work or how talented they are.
3. It's ironic that you say the elite players earned those hard earned minutes. Seriously? Throughout this entire year, my daughter and her other benchwarmer teammates, have had to watch those starters miss practices and still get 100% playing time. They missed more practices than the benchwarmers. Then, we all had to watch the starters make mistake after mistake in the games but the coaches, unconsciously biased, were too oblivious to see these mistakes. The coaches don't understand why they are winning these games. it's simple. Because these elite starters are making mistakes and they cannot play 80 minutes of a high pressure game. They are too tired, but the stupid coaches don't see this.

Those starter spots are entitled, so don't even argue that those were hard-earned minutes.

Odd. A girl from our TA club left to join an ECNL team and she is now a starter. So you're saying the rosters are locked in and the starters are entitled? Because from where I stand it looks like she joined the team and earned a starting position that previously belonged to someone else. So which is it? You complain that the coaches "recruit" players to replace the current ones? Or you complain that the coaches have their entitled starters locked in? Because, as I'm sure you realize, those two statements are direct contradictions to each other.