Questions to all ECNL parents who have daughters riding the pine

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I have seen these parents but I have also seen parents that are not hypocritical when this happens and teach their kids to stay with it and work their way through it.

Yes, and those parents are awesome.

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Ha ha they must be real losers to jump on that ship with Legg at the helm. What Crossfire 03s are getting cut? Do they already know?

I believe EVERY team has a tryout. I have always informed my child that you must tryout every single year to earn your spot and nothing is guaranteed. I hope that kids at these higher level teams, ECNL, THORNZ or GPS/ Hybrids understand that they are replaceable and must earn a spot. Being on a team one year does not guaranteed a spot on the team another, so yes if you don't cut the mustard you might get cut or placed on a lower team. Isn't that the purpose of tryouts, clubs and players only have to commit to one year at a time not their entire life.

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Agree. GDA should only have rosters of 14 max so only the best of the best make it and get their earned minutes. The bench won't be happy with such little playing time and are better off somewhere else anyway. Ecnl too, unless the bench is ok with little Ecnl playing time and filling in the gaps with playing on other teams, playing HS soccer, etc. to up their game.

Unfortunately, they have to roster 32 if their rules will be mimicking the boys rules. Check out the boys rosters (33 for the U18s). So players 15-32 are screwed. No play time. No HS soccer. Four practices per week. 2000 paid though helps out the top 14 with coaching and travel expenses. Maybe only the 24 pool players have to pay the 2000?

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Unfortunately, they have to roster 32 if their rules will be mimicking the boys rules. Check out the boys rosters (33 for the U18s). So players 15-32 are screwed. No play time. No HS soccer. Four practices per week. 2000 paid though helps out the top 14 with coaching and travel expenses. Maybe only the 24 pool players have to pay the 2000?

Maybe some of them would rather spend their time training with other top players than wasting their time playing for some crummy high school rec level team. On the girls side there are about 2-3 teams that actually try to play the game a little bit. And, those teams would still get rocked by the top club teams in the state. High school soccer is a joke.

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Has anyone at Crossfire complained? This is disgusting. Young teen girls are very vulnerable and self concious. And this guy is going to be the 03 coach for the 17/18 year?

Of course no one has complained, because this entire story is BS. KL was so mean to the younger girls in pre-ECNL events last year that they all wanted to play for him. Now his 05 team is the best in OR and he's been very successful at setting up friendlies with many of the best ECNL programs to help OR girls learn early on what it takes to compete out of state. Hopefully you're just an OR mom who thinks everyone should get equal playing time and participation medals. Otherwise you're on a nasty smear campaign with your own agenda.

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I couldn't agree with you more, KL is demonstrative and constantly coaching the girls with high expectations and got good results from his pre-ecnl team. While he might scream a little much for my tastes, I haven't witnessed any incessant berating of players. My DD has enjoyed his coaching and has learned a lot. If you're competing against the best of the best then you better learn to bring it, and you shouldn't expect to be coddled.

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I couldn't agree with you more, KL is demonstrative and constantly coaching the girls with high expectations and got good results from his pre-ecnl team. While he might scream a little much for my tastes, I haven't witnessed any incessant berating of players. My DD has enjoyed his coaching and has learned a lot. If you're competing against the best of the best then you better learn to bring it, and you shouldn't expect to be coddled.

Agreed. My DD has enjoyed playing for him and has grown as a player and loves the way he pushes her. In her words "he's making a better player".

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Maybe some of them would rather spend their time training with other top players than wasting their time playing for some crummy high school rec level team. On the girls side there are about 2-3 teams that actually try to play the game a little bit. And, those teams would still get rocked by the top club teams in the state. High school soccer is a joke.

HS soccer >>>>> GDA

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Maybe some of them would rather spend their time training with other top players than wasting their time playing for some crummy high school rec level team. On the girls side there are about 2-3 teams that actually try to play the game a little bit. And, those teams would still get rocked by the top club teams in the state. High school soccer is a joke.

Doesn't matter - most kids still want to play for their school. To them there are many more rewards and they don't care what elitists like you think

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Unfortunately, they have to roster 32 if their rules will be mimicking the boys rules. Check out the boys rosters (33 for the U18s). So players 15-32 are screwed. No play time. No HS soccer. Four practices per week. 2000 paid though helps out the top 14 with coaching and travel expenses. Maybe only the 24 pool players have to pay the 2000?

Untrue. At thecparent merting they were clear when asked this question. They are only rostering 20 and of that only 17 will go to games.

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Of course no one has complained, because this entire story is BS. KL was so mean to the younger girls in pre-ECNL events last year that they all wanted to play for him. Now his 05 team is the best in OR and he's been very successful at setting up friendlies with many of the best ECNL programs to help OR girls learn early on what it takes to compete out of state. Hopefully you're just an OR mom who thinks everyone should get equal playing time and participation medals. Otherwise you're on a nasty smear campaign with your own agenda.

Out of the mouth of a mom who thinks her daughter needs to be yelled at, ridiculed and shamed to be a better player. Have fun with that.

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Doesn't matter - most kids still want to play for their school. To them there are many more rewards and they don't care what elitists like you think

Well, of course "most kids" want to play for their high school. The boys and girls academy teams are not designed for "most kids", they are designed for the top level players.

Sure, some top level players will choose to play high school rec soccer because it is easy and they have fun with their friends. That is their choice.

There are many very good players who think high school soccer is low level and counterproductive, but haven't had a choice to train and play with other higher level players in the Fall because everyone was stuck in the high school rec experience.

You should be happy, your daughter has more choices now whether she chooses to pursue them or not.

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Well, of course "most kids" want to play for their high school. The boys and girls academy teams are not designed for "most kids", they are designed for the top level players.

Sure, some top level players will choose to play high school rec soccer because it is easy and they have fun with their friends. That is their choice.

There are many very good players who think high school soccer is low level and counterproductive, but haven't had a choice to train and play with other higher level players in the Fall because everyone was stuck in the high school rec experience.

You should be happy, your daughter has more choices now whether she chooses to pursue them or not.

In this case "most" will also capture many top players. And why should 99% of players give up HS when DA and USSF only care about less than 1% of players? The rest do it to improve their chances for good college spots, and that doesn't always work out either. I'm not a huge fan of ECNL (it has it's faults) but I'm glad kids now have more choices.

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I believe EVERY team has a tryout. I have always informed my child that you must tryout every single year to earn your spot and nothing is guaranteed. I hope that kids at these higher level teams, ECNL, THORNZ or GPS/ Hybrids understand that they are replaceable and must earn a spot. Being on a team one year does not guaranteed a spot on the team another, so yes if you don't cut the mustard you might get cut or placed on a lower team. Isn't that the purpose of tryouts, clubs and players only have to commit to one year at a time not their entire life.

What planet are you on? That is so far from the truth here in Oregon. The reality is that those spots are already reserved for the entitled starters. Compare the rosters year to year - they are the same players year to year with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 players.

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So then leave the club? Crossfire is a mess.

Yes, we are leaving and yes, it is a mess.