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Not sure about Westside getting knocked on their ***es .. just looked it up and score was 2-1.. but they beat the same team earlier. All in all looked like decent competition all around in that bracket.

Did not get kicked on their asses by any means. NBT had one shot on goal in the entire second half. It resulted in a goal. The NBT GK was outstanding and saved them repeatedly. WT hit the cross bar and just got unlucky. The weaker team won, but sometimes that just how it goes. This tournament means nothing and is not a reflection of anything.

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Did not get kicked on their asses by any means. NBT had one shot on goal in the entire second half. It resulted in a goal. The NBT GK was outstanding and saved them repeatedly. WT hit the cross bar and just got unlucky. The weaker team won, but sometimes that just how it goes. This tournament means nothing and is not a reflection of anything.

Typical Westside rationalization and excuses. The better team that day, won. Accept it.

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Hint. Tahuichi

BTW-these are summer tournaments and regardless of team affiliation, players go on vacations, and teams also have guest players.

Entries into summer tournaments are a chance for teams to get their feet wet before league play. Especially for such a young age group, coaches get a chance to see how they will train and players are learning how to play together.

You mean your team doesn't have enough depth of talent to make up for a couple kids missing on vacation? Sad state of affairs.

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Did not get kicked on their asses by any means. NBT had one shot on goal in the entire second half. It resulted in a goal. The NBT GK was outstanding and saved them repeatedly. WT hit the cross bar and just got unlucky. The weaker team won, but sometimes that just how it goes. This tournament means nothing and is not a reflection of anything.

The better team on the day won the game. Just the facts.

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Early picks for top OYSA league?

In no particular order...

* Cuervos. Looked very strong at Clash, although with a few TA players on the roster. If they actually can maintain a consistent team, could easily be one of the top teams.

* 4H. Another strong mostly-Latino club, this one focused in Willamette Valley. Could lose players to CFC's DA team, but if they resemble last year's State Cup team, will be very strong.

* LAFC/IFC. Did poorly at State Cup last year, but were a respectable Premier team.

* HSC GPS. HSC had a top-20 squad last year, and is now operating under the GPS label, for whatever that's worth.

* ETFC, RVT, BFCT: Probably didn't lose much to DA due to geography.

* Copa, Red2. The two DA second teams that so far haven't made appearances in summer tourney season without stinking up the joint. CFC might have a decent OYSA team too. ET's top non-DA squad is definitely not premier-level; haven't seen BSC's non-DA team, and FC's OYSA entries don't look good at all. Will Crossfire run an OYSA team, or will it be Crossfire DA and OYSA teams from LOSC, WUSC, etc.?

* ADF. Definitely down a level from last year's runner-up team, still dangerous.

* Corvallis, NEU, Aloha, SSC. Smaller clubs that have had some success in recent years.

My pick is WHO CARES, it's like asking which jv team is the best. It was shown how good cuervos and ifc were at state cup last year (out of their element against premier level teams). The talent from all the top teams (including adf) all went to DA and OYSA is now glorified rec....

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Not sure about Westside getting knocked on their ***es .. just looked it up and score was 2-1.. but they beat the same team earlier. All in all looked like decent competition all around in that bracket.

That has to be embarrassing- a DA team losing in a subpar tourney. It will be a long weekend in Seattle for westside better warm up the excuses....

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That has to be embarrassing- a DA team losing in a subpar tourney. It will be a long weekend in Seattle for westside better warm up the excuses....

Not a Westside parent but it always strikes me as a bit weird to see you always on here dissing these kiddos and this club. Might want to relax on the hating?

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That has to be embarrassing- a DA team losing in a subpar tourney. It will be a long weekend in Seattle for westside better warm up the excuses....

It's great that some DA teams aren't afraid to play in open tourneys. So what that they lost one game. That game was a learning experience. The emphasis needs to be on what the other team is doing right and identifying boys from the other team to join the DA pool or be id'd for future elite programs. The idea shouldn't be to only develop some Oregon boys more than others, it should be to better develop all Oregon boys.

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It's great that some DA teams aren't afraid to play in open tourneys. So what that they lost one game. That game was a learning experience. The emphasis needs to be on what the other team is doing right and identifying boys from the other team to join the DA pool or be id'd for future elite programs. The idea shouldn't be to only develop some Oregon boys more than others, it should be to better develop all Oregon boys.

Haha- typical westside way, keep poaching players because they can't develop within. And as far as "developing" all Oregon boys? At what point do we stop kidding ourselves- most of those playing will not even make their highschool teams. It's just the way it is and the sooner you stop wanting equality for all the sooner our truly talented kids will shine at a national level. Too many politics and parental roadblocks in our market to get the top talent together in one place and develop to a point that it really matters

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It's great that some DA teams aren't afraid to play in open tourneys. So what that they lost one game. That game was a learning experience. The emphasis needs to be on what the other team is doing right and identifying boys from the other team to join the DA pool or be id'd for future elite programs. The idea shouldn't be to only develop some Oregon boys more than others, it should be to better develop all Oregon boys.

elite program hahahahahahahahahahahaha (breathe...) hahahahahahahahaha

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It's great that some DA teams aren't afraid to play in open tourneys. So what that they lost one game. That game was a learning experience. The emphasis needs to be on what the other team is doing right and identifying boys from the other team to join the DA pool or be id'd for future elite programs. The idea shouldn't be to only develop some Oregon boys more than others, it should be to better develop all Oregon boys.

One problem with DA is that it

a) markets self as a somewhat exclusive program
b) makes player mobility a bit harder, not easier--as there are limitations on player movement between DA and non-DA teams, even in the same club.

A good argument can be made that all youth soccer should run more on DA principles--or at least DA-style training should be made available to all skill levels, rather than just seven local clubs plus the TA. (And those kids who like playing five-games-in-three-days tournaments should have that option, too--some kids like to kick ass and take names, and don't care about training for the .001% chance they might become a pro one day).

It shouldn't be a mark of shame that Westside's 05 DAs lost to NBT--if anything, it shows the immense gulf between NorCal soccer and Oregon soccer (NBT is a middling club in NorCal--imagine the slaughter if De Anza Force or similar were to show up at Beaverton Cup). And yes, WT will have its work cut out for it this weekend up in Seattle and next down in San Diego.

Unfortunately for WT, they only got to face one local team in B-Cup--and they slaughtered them 14-0. (There were two "B" teams that went into the Gold bracket and got waxed all weekend long). The other teams WT faced were all from California, and they went 2-1 against that competition, including 1-1 against NBT. So in terms of "talent identification", it was a wasted opportunity. (That said--doesn't the DA already have a full roster?)

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It shouldn't be a mark of shame that Westside's 05 DAs lost to NBT--if anything, it shows the immense gulf between NorCal soccer and Oregon soccer (NBT is a middling club in NorCal--imagine the slaughter if De Anza Force or similar were to show up at Beaverton Cup). And yes, WT will have its work cut out for it this weekend up in Seattle and next down in San Diego.

Okay, this is a valid point...and I, for one am pleasantly surprised to see it being made by a Westside disciple. The reality is that these kids are being challenged and will benefit from the experience. Most of us 05 parents with older kids, know and understand where Oregon soccer rates outside of this state.

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One problem with DA is that it

a) markets self as a somewhat exclusive program
b) makes player mobility a bit harder, not easier--as there are limitations on player movement between DA and non-DA teams, even in the same club.

A good argument can be made that all youth soccer should run more on DA principles--or at least DA-style training should be made available to all skill levels, rather than just seven local clubs plus the TA. (And those kids who like playing five-games-in-three-days tournaments should have that option, too--some kids like to kick ass and take names, and don't care about training for the .001% chance they might become a pro one day).

It shouldn't be a mark of shame that Westside's 05 DAs lost to NBT--if anything, it shows the immense gulf between NorCal soccer and Oregon soccer (NBT is a middling club in NorCal--imagine the slaughter if De Anza Force or similar were to show up at Beaverton Cup). And yes, WT will have its work cut out for it this weekend up in Seattle and next down in San Diego.

Unfortunately for WT, they only got to face one local team in B-Cup--and they slaughtered them 14-0. (There were two "B" teams that went into the Gold bracket and got waxed all weekend long). The other teams WT faced were all from California, and they went 2-1 against that competition, including 1-1 against NBT. So in terms of "talent identification", it was a wasted opportunity. (That said--doesn't the DA already have a full roster?)

Did you even watch the quality of play of the games? It was sloppy and would not even stack up to last years second division of premier, even by the California teams. westside must have lost a ton apparently to timbers da because they were not close to the same team if the westside da is supposed to be last years copa with a few samba additions. It looked more like the samba team from this springs state cup. Stop trying to spin the result, oysa has been made irrelevant in our market by the da

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One problem with DA is that it
a) markets self as a somewhat exclusive program
b) makes player mobility a bit harder, not easier--as there are limitations on player movement between DA and non-DA teams, even in the same club.

That's two problems, not one. That's a one game suspension for you for not being able to add.

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Did you even watch the quality of play of the games? It was sloppy and would not even stack up to last years second division of premier, even by the California teams. westside must have lost a ton apparently to timbers da because they were not close to the same team if the westside da is supposed to be last years copa with a few samba additions. It looked more like the samba team from this springs state cup. Stop trying to spin the result, oysa has been made irrelevant in our market by the da

WT did lose heavily to TA. Four of its starting front five from a year ago are now in the Billups Brigade (and the other starting forward from last year is at ADF).

And as far as OYSA being irrelevant--the local DAs are irrelevant compared to Seattle and NorCal. Which are irrelevant compared to SoCal.

Again, will be interesting to see how Oregon DA teams do the next couple weekends. DAs from Westside, FC, and CFC will be at Crossfire, and Westside and WashT's DAs will be at Surf. (Surf schedule says "Westside B05 Copa", but it's the DA team that was Copa last year, not the current OYSA team called Copa).