Girls DA = $10,000/yr & NO high school sports???

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What are you talking about? US Youth Soccer has nothing to do with GDA. This is US Soccer. USYS drops to third tier and becomes even less relavant. And btw, ECNL wasn't started by US Club Soccer. The clubs started ECNL and went to both USYS and USCS for sanctioning. USYS said no. USCS agreed to sanction the ECNL but the ECNL clubs run the league not USCS.

My bad ... regardless substitute US Soccer for USYS ... same conclusion

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US Soccer has indicated it's playing membership in the 2017-18 USSDA will only do the DA, nothing else. It can't get anymore clear or coordinated at any higher level than US Soccer.

Well except they are bumbling idiots that are at war with the USMNT coach.

By the way, nothing indicates clubs can't have entries in both USSDA and ECNL; players may not be able to do both, but nothing says clubs can't do it.

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They have to stay silent as they want to be allowed one more season in the ECNL for 2016-17. It's impossible for a girl selected to the USSDA team to do anything but the USSDA program. No other soccer period, be it ODP, HS, other league etc.. If a girls really wants to play HS and not at the USSDA level there are plenty of leagues like the ECNL, FWRL, USYS Nat league, state league & regional leagues for them to choose from.

US Soccer has indicated it's playing membership in the 2017-18 USSDA will only do the DA, nothing else. It can't get anymore clear or coordinated at any higher level than US Soccer.

Show me where they say that? The players cannot do anything else, but the club can. You are telling me that a club collecting dues, sometimes 2 to 4 teams deep per single age group(i.e. So cal teams) are going to close up shop and not play in other leagues and just have 3 DA teams? You are a crazy person. Some of the ECNL teams have already said they are playing in both leagues in 2017-2018, but that would not be the same girls in both leagues, different teams!

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1) Just the best players from a club on the 3 USSDA team age groups will be gone from the ECNL for 2017-18.

2) USSDA mandates no HS or other club play for it's participant members.

3)Once a club applies for the USSDA and is selected they will tell you (parent) how much you will be paying or if you're really good the type of scholarship US Soccer will offer.

4) Has nothing to do with what someone thinks or values about HS Soccer, it's simply not allowed in the USSDA model.

5) The Portland market only has (1) USSDA program featuring just 3 teams sponsored by the PORTLAND THORNS professional team. It's the top level of play in the country without a rival league, this is the first foray into ACADEMY level soccer for girls in Portland. The wonderful thing about the current market for girls soccer is nearly any coach with interest is on par to the stable of local coaches working in the area, so upgrading coaching is not much of a challenge. The best players come from all the OYSA/USCS teams across the state and sw washington, where else would they come from?

According to the volume of posts on this site the OR ECNL doesn't have quality coaching or quality players. The OYSA / Timbers league doesn't have quality coaches or quality players. So where are these top level players going to come from? Where are these top level coaches going to come from. Either you're smoking something or "everyone" is wrong.
(This post is tongue in cheek. According to Talking Soccer Oregon we can't compete at any high level)
Locally the Thorns youth program has overpromised and under delivered. They have a big job convincing the market that they mean it this time - regardless of the stature of the US Soccer GDA program.

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They will come from the Timbers and here is an example of our next great players. These are the same parents screaming ECNL sucks and they have chosen a better path
http://events.gotsport.com/events/sc...1786&action=Go

Tell me our future isn't going to be built on a foundation of TA girls

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How are parents going to handle the substitution rule of once your out your out for good. Zero re entry. If they will truly make it like the boys DA? if so there will be a lot of parents that will be unhappy with there daughters playing time. Game day rosters will be a lot smaller than your typical ECNL roster.

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Show me where they say that? The players cannot do anything else, but the club can. You are telling me that a club collecting dues, sometimes 2 to 4 teams deep per single age group(i.e. So cal teams) are going to close up shop and not play in other leagues and just have 3 DA teams? You are a crazy person. Some of the ECNL teams have already said they are playing in both leagues in 2017-2018, but that would not be the same girls in both leagues, different teams!

Go look at the USSDA boys program. Any club that has a u15/16 & U17/18 team in the USSDA program means those players from that club in those specific teams, can only play in the USSDA, no HS, no ODP and on other league. It's been in place since 2007.

What the balance of the club does is not the same as what the members of the club involved with USSDA have to do.

Right now the Professional MLS and NWSL clubs offer only USSDA teams and have no other branches. Not aware of any youth club that is just a USSDA only club.

Where and what league or leagues players not selected for the USSDA program will be a club by club choice based on the residual talent that remains in the club after the top players are placed on USSDA teams. In Oregon for instance the boys not placed in the USSDA Timbers program play in the OYSA leagues with the local neighborhood clubs as they don't have the talent to support or fund a national league placement. Seems logical that's what will happen to all the girls not chosen for the USSDA in the future as flying all over the country to play in a 2nd tier league isn't a proposition parents would be willing to fund because the club says so.

Sorry for your confusion.

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And don't discount the politics that will play out.
You'll have the ECNL clubs telling their players to stick with the ECNL. Wait and see how this all plays out. Don't jump ship until the Thorns prove they can put a quality product out. And of course the longer they can be successful with this the more the GDA will suffer.
You'll have the Timbers associated coaches pushing their players attempting to use their alliance influence. If the Thorns allow this then they run the risk of taking sub-par players.
This has the potential to be a real mess in our little soccer community.
You can't honestly say there won't be any politics involved ....

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Well except they are bumbling idiots that are at war with the USMNT coach.

By the way, nothing indicates clubs can't have entries in both USSDA and ECNL; players may not be able to do both, but nothing says clubs can't do it.

Once the USSDA teams are selected by a given club what value or reasoning would be in play to select an ECNL league as an option for those players below the water mark of USSDA level? In the past the ECNL has been billed as an elite national league for girls, but once the USSDA is up an running it's no longer that type of creature. Does it become the LONL (left over National league?) sounds appealing.

The collateral damage caused to the ECNL by the creation of the USSDA is really not that relevant, unless you were a club that was not selected to the USSDA. Why do you think April's cell phone is blowing up this week and the following week with calls from DOC's all over the country begging her to let their club into the USSDA and not get left to go back to the LONL, the boys clubs have all adjusted and moved forward with the USSDA in play, next up the girls will face this reality at the club level.

It's over in 2017-18 one last go around with the ECNL for 2016-17. It happens.

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Once the USSDA teams are selected by a given club what value or reasoning would be in play to select an ECNL league as an option for those players below the water mark of USSDA level? In the past the ECNL has been billed as an elite national league for girls, but once the USSDA is up an running it's no longer that type of creature. Does it become the LONL (left over National league?) sounds appealing.

The collateral damage caused to the ECNL by the creation of the USSDA is really not that relevant, unless you were a club that was not selected to the USSDA. Why do you think April's cell phone is blowing up this week and the following week with calls from DOC's all over the country begging her to let their club into the USSDA and not get left to go back to the LONL, the boys clubs have all adjusted and moved forward with the USSDA in play, next up the girls will face this reality at the club level.

It's over in 2017-18 one last go around with the ECNL for 2016-17. It happens.

Americans like choices, there are enough kids for both, there will still be fighting who are truly elite, but the reality is the ECNL structure still works well for recruiting, if the college coaches attend, kids will still join. Remember the end game for boys is not usually college but the pros, for girls it is college. For the few that are national/pro level, the GDA makes sense, hopefully their parents will choose it or it isn't going to be the top of the top. ECNL will change, but I don't see it going away. Just on sheer numbers, there are only enough to spots for half the girls that do ECNL now, and the GDA will draw girls that didn't do ECNL at all, so that means just weaker local leagues beneath them all around. In the bit picture, the GDA and ECNL will both exist, the overall quality will be even more watered down, and the problems in girls youth soccer go unsolved.

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And don't discount the politics that will play out.
You'll have the ECNL clubs telling their players to stick with the ECNL. Wait and see how this all plays out. Don't jump ship until the Thorns prove they can put a quality product out. And of course the longer they can be successful with this the more the GDA will suffer.
You'll have the Timbers associated coaches pushing their players attempting to use their alliance influence. If the Thorns allow this then they run the risk of taking sub-par players.
This has the potential to be a real mess in our little soccer community.
You can't honestly say there won't be any politics involved ....

What ECNL clubs are you talking about? Their are 3 local clubs who joined the ECNL League under the local club affiliation of 2 clubs named FC PDX and Crossfire United.

The quality and strength of the 2017-18 USSDA league is already self evident with the weekly announcements of the best clubs in the country joining. It's played out and they have jumped ship from the ECNL and elected to join the USSDA with their clubs best players across 3 new age groups.

Back to our local community it's an absolute mess for girls already with the ECNL dreaming this area could form 10 teams across 5 age groups and be relevant in their national league, this is not a wait and see thing, it's already a proven loser with too many sub-par players having to fill out rosters for 10 teams.

The real question is does this community really want to have (3) teams in the USSDA that represent the best talent the area has to offer, if we don't we can continue to swim in this cesspool of mediocrity and rip each other about how crappy we are. Seems to work well for the level of maturity, leadership and intelligence of this generation of female parents. The boys parents let nature take it's course with the Timbers DA..why so much push back about the THORNS DA?

Weird.

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Americans like choices, there are enough kids for both, there will still be fighting who are truly elite, but the reality is the ECNL structure still works well for recruiting, if the college coaches attend, kids will still join. Remember the end game for boys is not usually college but the pros, for girls it is college. For the few that are national/pro level, the GDA makes sense, hopefully their parents will choose it or it isn't going to be the top of the top. ECNL will change, but I don't see it going away. Just on sheer numbers, there are only enough to spots for half the girls that do ECNL now, and the GDA will draw girls that didn't do ECNL at all, so that means just weaker local leagues beneath them all around. In the bit picture, the GDA and ECNL will both exist, the overall quality will be even more watered down, and the problems in girls youth soccer go unsolved.

If all of the best clubs in they ECNL hadn't accepted spots in the USSDA for 2017-18 you might have an argument. Americans like to know what the top level of play is and now they do and are fighting tooth and nail to be one of the chosen clubs, but time is running out and figuring out how to spin this after the rapture is really all that's left for those not called to duty in the nations top league.

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Once the USSDA teams are selected by a given club what value or reasoning would be in play to select an ECNL league as an option for those players below the water mark of USSDA level? In the past the ECNL has been billed as an elite national league for girls, but once the USSDA is up an running it's no longer that type of creature. Does it become the LONL (left over National league?) sounds appealing.

The collateral damage caused to the ECNL by the creation of the USSDA is really not that relevant, unless you were a club that was not selected to the USSDA. Why do you think April's cell phone is blowing up this week and the following week with calls from DOC's all over the country begging her to let their club into the USSDA and not get left to go back to the LONL, the boys clubs have all adjusted and moved forward with the USSDA in play, next up the girls will face this reality at the club level.

It's over in 2017-18 one last go around with the ECNL for 2016-17. It happens.

So if the Academy model is the end all be all why has US Club and ECNL introduced a boys league? If the Academy system has met all the better players needs (did not say top 1%) then why is there a need for an additional national boys league? Sure there's money / greed / ego at play but that's par for youth soccer - not shocking at all.

The US Soccer GDA may cater to some but to boldly say the ECNL is doomed is silly. The GDA will get it's share but not all - the ECNL will survive and will still have top players that don't see a good fit with the GDA. Those top players that want to have a life / HS Soccer / other HS sports / other interests /3 days of training / no delusion of a pro career / no delusions of National team etc.
This "sky is falling" for any other league other then the GDA is simply a silly notion.

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Americans like choices, there are enough kids for both, there will still be fighting who are truly elite, but the reality is the ECNL structure still works well for recruiting, if the college coaches attend, kids will still join. Remember the end game for boys is not usually college but the pros, for girls it is college. For the few that are national/pro level, the GDA makes sense, hopefully their parents will choose it or it isn't going to be the top of the top. ECNL will change, but I don't see it going away. Just on sheer numbers, there are only enough to spots for half the girls that do ECNL now, and the GDA will draw girls that didn't do ECNL at all, so that means just weaker local leagues beneath them all around. In the bit picture, the GDA and ECNL will both exist, the overall quality will be even more watered down, and the problems in girls youth soccer go unsolved.

Ding ding ding - WINNER

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How are parents going to handle the substitution rule of once your out your out for good. Zero re entry. If they will truly make it like the boys DA? if so there will be a lot of parents that will be unhappy with there daughters playing time. Game day rosters will be a lot smaller than your typical ECNL roster.

That's easy. Every single delusional thorns academy parent thinks their child is a starter/complete game player. It's the OTHER players who will be affected by this. Not their kid. It'll be a fun topic of conversation when they go back to their alliance clubs because they all get replaced on next year's thorns academy team by current ECNL players.