Girls DA = $10,000/yr & NO high school sports???

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I don't know which is more pathetic (i) if you get paid to spew this garbage or (ii) you don't get paid to spew this garbage.

Not at an ECNL club, but my god a couple of you guys have spent 2-yrs spewing your anti-ECNL hate; looks like we will get to read it for another 2-yrs!

Now that you got that rant out, do you feel better?

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Reading your quoted text: it appears the author loves the USSDA model. Why do you think that's pathetic? It has nothing to do with the ECNL? The ECNL is just a league, whoopee.

Better question why are you so against US Soccer? They produce Olympic champions, World Cup Champions and subsidize the NWSL payroll. Without US Soccer leadership our Women's program would not be the best in the World.

They, US Soccer have granted our market a program in the USSDA for 2017-18 which is the greatest achievement in girls soccer in Portland's history.

Don't read into posts loving the USSDA as hating the ECNL they aren't related to each other, sounds more like a personal beef you have with anyone who doesn't think the ECNL is the way to go. The Top clubs have opted out of the ECNL for a better path. Why would you even care?

You are obviously really excited, I hope it all works out the way you want it to.

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I don't know which is more pathetic (i) if you get paid to spew this garbage or (ii) you don't get paid to spew this garbage.

Not at an ECNL club, but my god a couple of you guys have spent 2-yrs spewing your anti-ECNL hate; looks like we will get to read it for another 2-yrs!

Please don't confuse foolish and short sighted decisions of 3 local clubs- who morphed into 2 clubs and their effort to field 10 relevant teams across 5 age groups in the ECNL as ECNL hate.

The only group that is hating on this effort is the ECNL leadership, if they (ECNL) had the chance to do it over they would of told the applying local clubs from Oregon will we allow just one club and 5 teams from Oregon so you can consolidate your talent base and give you a chance to measure how you stack up in our league. They didn't and the resultant effort has been a source of embarrassment and ridicule ever since, as the on field results have been documented for all to witness and stomach.

With a league for the Top clubs coming in 2017-18 it's only a 3 year mistake by the ECNL to allow 10 teams from Oregon into their League.

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Harvard - 5.5-7% overall admissions rate. Dramatically less for soccer players, who have to qualify both athletically and academically (plus other factors).

And your daughter doesn't qualify on either front, so what's your point?

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Reading your quoted text: it appears the author loves the USSDA model. Why do you think that's pathetic? It has nothing to do with the ECNL? The ECNL is just a league, whoopee.

Better question why are you so against US Soccer? They produce Olympic champions, World Cup Champions and subsidize the NWSL payroll. Without US Soccer leadership our Women's program would not be the best in the World.

They, US Soccer have granted our market a program in the USSDA for 2017-18 which is the greatest achievement in girls soccer in Portland's history.

Don't read into posts loving the USSDA as hating the ECNL they aren't related to each other, sounds more like a personal beef you have with anyone who doesn't think the ECNL is the way to go. The Top clubs have opted out of the ECNL for a better path. Why would you even care?

Pretty consistent theme in these forums disparaging "local clubs". The great clubs in world soccer started local; some how on this forum a neighborhood club with national ambitions is a bad thing.

Got nothing in general against USSDA; not really vested in who wins.

However, I don't think US Soccer is the cause of our women's national team success - title 9 (resulting opportunities at college soccer), the private club network that developed to develop players for college soccer, a culture that promotes equality of access, and affluence have done more for it that probably any other factors. Will say the federation's support of NWSL has been a good thing.

Also don't think USSDA results on the boys' side have been anything to brag about.

To the extent I have an axe to grind with US Soccer, it is (i) seems too focused on promoting/protecting MLS, (ii) doesn't spend enough time focused on the needs of independent clubs, (iii) rollouts unproven initiatives nationally, and (iv) has completely failed to solve the fractured nature of youth and pro soccer (and with this new program is in fact adding to it). Girls USSDA initiated as competition for a successful ECNL is just 1 example in a long-list of items falling under these categories.

Locally, just disgusted with the anti-ECNL rhetoric.

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Pretty consistent theme in these forums disparaging "local clubs". The great clubs in world soccer started local; some how on this forum a neighborhood club with national ambitions is a bad thing.

Got nothing in general against USSDA; not really vested in who wins.

However, I don't think US Soccer is the cause of our women's national team success - title 9 (resulting opportunities at college soccer), the private club network that developed to develop players for college soccer, a culture that promotes equality of access, and affluence have done more for it that probably any other factors. Will say the federation's support of NWSL has been a good thing.

Also don't think USSDA results on the boys' side have been anything to brag about.

To the extent I have an axe to grind with US Soccer, it is (i) seems too focused on promoting/protecting MLS, (ii) doesn't spend enough time focused on the needs of independent clubs, (iii) rollouts unproven initiatives nationally, and (iv) has completely failed to solve the fractured nature of youth and pro soccer (and with this new program is in fact adding to it). Girls USSDA initiated as competition for a successful ECNL is just 1 example in a long-list of items falling under these categories.

Locally, just disgusted with the anti-ECNL rhetoric.

Local clubs can become relevant at higher levels if they have funding and leadership to elevate their standing. That's called professional world football environment.

Not something that happens in kiddie soccer in the U.S. local community clubs. Talented pockets of the country always have and always will field the best teams and have the best clubs. With the advent of consolidation of talent in smaller markets and the USSDA platform now coming markets like Portland at least have an infrastructure to emerge and develop.

Here is what the the USSDA has produced for the male side of things with respect to national teams: http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts...-team-players/

It's unmatched by any other level of play in the country, so it's impressive by design and outcome.

The ECNL had it's run and now has been tossed aside, by the it own member clubs that made it successful, it's own membership and no one else has made it irrelevant in the future. THEY ARE LEAVING.

This league ECNL didn't care about the minnow local clubs from Oregon and added them willy nilly into their league structure, feed them to the wolves and then they decide to leave them in the dust.

Aren't we all allowed to be disgusted with the ECNL?

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Local clubs can become relevant at higher levels if they have funding and leadership to elevate their standing. That's called professional world football environment.

Not something that happens in kiddie soccer in the U.S. local community clubs. Talented pockets of the country always have and always will field the best teams and have the best clubs. With the advent of consolidation of talent in smaller markets and the USSDA platform now coming markets like Portland at least have an infrastructure to emerge and develop.

Here is what the the USSDA has produced for the male side of things with respect to national teams: http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts...-team-players/

It's unmatched by any other level of play in the country, so it's impressive by design and outcome.

The ECNL had it's run and now has been tossed aside, by the it own member clubs that made it successful, it's own membership and no one else has made it irrelevant in the future. THEY ARE LEAVING.

This league ECNL didn't care about the minnow local clubs from Oregon and added them willy nilly into their league structure, feed them to the wolves and then they decide to leave them in the dust.

Aren't we all allowed to be disgusted with the ECNL?

Without question, USSDA is the best platform in the country on the boys' side for player identification and development. Yet, our men's national teams at the youth and full national-side level has made zero progress internationally in its almost 10 years. Maybe the rest of the world is improving just as fast, but relatively speaking we are treading water on the men's side. I don't pretend to understand why that is.

We have invested all of these resources in the boys USSDA and it has not (relatively) moved our men's program forward 1 iota; then we extend that program to the women's side to take on a successful, ground up league (ECNL)?

If clubs leave ECNL for USSDA because they don't want to be left behind; not sure it has anything to do it being a superior "platform".

Back to the original gripe - spending years attacking local ECNL clubs is a pathetic use of time. I'll check in a week or so to point that out again as there will likely be a few hundred posts on here continuing the attacks.

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Without question, USSDA is the best platform in the country on the boys' side for player identification and development. Yet, our men's national teams at the youth and full national-side level has made zero progress internationally in its almost 10 years. Maybe the rest of the world is improving just as fast, but relatively speaking we are treading water on the men's side. I don't pretend to understand why that is.

We have invested all of these resources in the boys USSDA and it has not (relatively) moved our men's program forward 1 iota; then we extend that program to the women's side to take on a successful, ground up league (ECNL)?

If clubs leave ECNL for USSDA because they don't want to be left behind; not sure it has anything to do it being a superior "platform".

Back to the original gripe - spending years attacking local ECNL clubs is a pathetic use of time. I'll check in a week or so to point that out again as there will likely be a few hundred posts on here continuing the attacks.

Men's Soccer regardless of structure or platform in not a relevant sport to our countries sporting male athletes especially those that want college scholarships and even less for those who want to be professional athletes. The sport is called FOOTBALL on this globe, not soccer, it's so far down the food chain in the American male athlete choice list that's why we suck. It's not popular to our best athletes and sporting males. End of story.

Girls Soccer is a popular choice for the best female athlete in the USA, with Title IX funding it even gives them more scholarships than it's male counterpart. Women's soccer/footbal is not popular or offered much for the rest of the female population on the Globe. Our best female sporting athletes play Soccer in the USA, other countries could care less about Women's Soccer, almost as little as our country cares about the male Soccer. So whatever league in the US has the best american female soccer players, it will be the top league in the world Just like MLB, NFL & NBA nobody outside of america nobody cares much about those sports, thus we are the best in the world in 'our' warped sense of reality.

Clubs leaving or ascending from the ECNL to the USSDA is called promotion as evidenced by the very best clubs of the ECNL departing to the USSDA. Calling it anything else is just fodder.

The mindset that their actually existed such a thing as an 'ECNL' club is really the heart of the matter, that's the sickness and irrational thought that has you convincing yourself that bogeymen are attacking your local club. Nobody ever was or ever will be considered an ECNL club, you certainly can be a local club that joined this ECNL League.

Having a local club join this league without the proper consolidation of talent to support it's efforts, is and always be a foolish endeavor that can be criticized and now never changed.

Without a magnet of an esteemed, respected coaching staff, a record of achievement and prior success at the regional or national level, the only hope for the local club is attract the top players to join your local community club, they didn't and since you had two clubs offering the same model, you basically sabotaged your dreams and goals by spitting up what little high end talent the market provided between two local clubs.


It wasn't well thought out or constructed it was doomed the day the ECNL took 10 teams from two local clubs. This isn't rocket science and now the USSDA league is the place to be and this strange saga is really just an irrelevant and unfortunate chapter of the OPL ilks convoluted and myopic thinking.

Next.

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USYS sees all the money going into ECNL and wants a piece of the pie. It's as simple as that.

Nailed it. US Youth Soccer has become irrelevant in girls soccer. It's classic US Youth Soccer vs. US Club Soccer. The GDA is US Youth Soccer's attempt to salvage relevancy as well as the female soccer player's $$$.
US Club Soccer recognized a need that the female soccer consumer/player wanted and delivered with the ECNL.
US Youth Soccer did nothing except hang on to ODP and hope this ECNL thing wouldn't take hold.
If anyone really believes this is about development then they are sadly mistaken. This is about ego / power / money as US Youth Soccer tries to wrestle back any relevancy they have in the girls youth game.

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I am happy to, funny thing I originally saw it posted on TS

http://www.socceramerica.com/article...irst-25-c.html

Article states clubs were surveyed and planned on doing both.

Article didn't mention whether the ECNL or USSDA were surveyed and what they planned on doing, like forcing clubs to choose one or the other. It's a conflict of interest for clubs to do both because one team would be watered down by the other. Instead, clubs could compete against each other with the choice of ECNL or DA and try to be the strongest of that league in their respected area. I'm guessing the ECNL will force this issue using high school ball as a selling point. USSDA doesn't care as they've shown with birth year change and now GDAP.

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Nailed it. US Youth Soccer has become irrelevant in girls soccer. It's classic US Youth Soccer vs. US Club Soccer. The GDA is US Youth Soccer's attempt to salvage relevancy as well as the female soccer player's $$$.
US Club Soccer recognized a need that the female soccer consumer/player wanted and delivered with the ECNL.
US Youth Soccer did nothing except hang on to ODP and hope this ECNL thing wouldn't take hold.
If anyone really believes this is about development then they are sadly mistaken. This is about ego / power / money as US Youth Soccer tries to wrestle back any relevancy they have in the girls youth game.

If any of this were true not a single club would be leaving the ECNL for the USSDA.

Why did any of these ECNL league member clubs apply for the USSDA?

Why do these TOP CLUBS in the USA want out of the ECNL?

Like to buy your ramblings but the evidence of departing clubs says you have a conspiracy theory, nothing more.

Where is the ECNL strength and structure that will keep all these top clubs from leaving them. Then maybe there would be a wrestling match. This isn't even a contest.

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If any of this were true not a single club would be leaving the ECNL for the USSDA.

Why did any of these ECNL league member clubs apply for the USSDA?

Why do these TOP CLUBS in the USA want out of the ECNL?

Like to buy your ramblings but the evidence of departing clubs says you have a conspiracy theory, nothing more.

Where is the ECNL strength and structure that will keep all these top clubs from leaving them. Then maybe there would be a wrestling match. This isn't even a contest.

Usda model is about power and stupid regulations. Truth.

But

Ecnl model was terribly poor when it came to development and inclusion. When they did the sub tiers it became a joke.

Both are bad for the country.

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Reading your quoted text: it appears the author loves the USSDA model. Why do you think that's pathetic? It has nothing to do with the ECNL? The ECNL is just a league, whoopee.

Better question why are you so against US Soccer? They produce Olympic champions, World Cup Champions and subsidize the NWSL payroll. Without US Soccer leadership our Women's program would not be the best in the World.

They, US Soccer have granted our market a program in the USSDA for 2017-18 which is the greatest achievement in girls soccer in Portland's history.

Don't read into posts loving the USSDA as hating the ECNL they aren't related to each other, sounds more like a personal beef you have with anyone who doesn't think the ECNL is the way to go. The Top clubs have opted out of the ECNL for a better path. Why would you even care?

How sure are you the 25 clubs that were announced are leaving the ECNL?
Is it a requirement that upon acceptance of the GDA that they leave the ECNL?

I find it difficult to believe that Crossfire Premier (& others) are only going to field three teams (GDA) and walk away from the revenue that 5 ECNL teams bring in.

I'm guessing that these clubs are hedging their bets on the GDA success all the while fully supporting the ECNL too. I can see Crossfire Premier promoting the GDA for the most elite of their ECNL players all the while fielding fully subscribed ECNL squads. After all isn't that the promise of the GDA ... a platform for those players that are National Team prospects.

So with 99+% of the female players not National Team quality that leaves a lot of very good players who are focused on playing in college with no intentions or delusions of a National Team call up. Seems as if this has been the ECNL's market all along.
It appears that the ECNL will be just fine and that GDA has a lot to prove.
If the college coaches don't flock to the GDA then what?
It'll be interesting but I doubt that these GDA clubs are gonna walk from the ECNL ... more likely to have both options - sounds like a good business decision.
Then there are "clubs" like the Thorns that have all their eggs in one basket ... if the GDA isn't as promised what will the Thorns youth direction look like?

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If any of this were true not a single club would be leaving the ECNL for the USSDA.

Why did any of these ECNL league member clubs apply for the USSDA?

Why do these TOP CLUBS in the USA want out of the ECNL?

Like to buy your ramblings but the evidence of departing clubs says you have a conspiracy theory, nothing more.

Where is the ECNL strength and structure that will keep all these top clubs from leaving them. Then maybe there would be a wrestling match. This isn't even a contest.

NEWS FLASH: These clubs are not leaving the ECNL .... they are simply adding the GDA to their offering. They are hedging their bets that the GDA might work. If it does they want to be first in. If it doesn't work they still have their ECNL investment.
So with that said you may want to rethink your above comments ....

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Men's Soccer regardless of structure or platform in not a relevant sport to our countries sporting male athletes especially those that want college scholarships and even less for those who want to be professional athletes. The sport is called FOOTBALL on this globe, not soccer, it's so far down the food chain in the American male athlete choice list that's why we suck. It's not popular to our best athletes and sporting males. End of story.

Girls Soccer is a popular choice for the best female athlete in the USA, with Title IX funding it even gives them more scholarships than it's male counterpart. Women's soccer/footbal is not popular or offered much for the rest of the female population on the Globe. Our best female sporting athletes play Soccer in the USA, other countries could care less about Women's Soccer, almost as little as our country cares about the male Soccer. So whatever league in the US has the best american female soccer players, it will be the top league in the world Just like MLB, NFL & NBA nobody outside of america nobody cares much about those sports, thus we are the best in the world in 'our' warped sense of reality.

Clubs leaving or ascending from the ECNL to the USSDA is called promotion as evidenced by the very best clubs of the ECNL departing to the USSDA. Calling it anything else is just fodder.

The mindset that their actually existed such a thing as an 'ECNL' club is really the heart of the matter, that's the sickness and irrational thought that has you convincing yourself that bogeymen are attacking your local club. Nobody ever was or ever will be considered an ECNL club, you certainly can be a local club that joined this ECNL League.

Having a local club join this league without the proper consolidation of talent to support it's efforts, is and always be a foolish endeavor that can be criticized and now never changed.

Without a magnet of an esteemed, respected coaching staff, a record of achievement and prior success at the regional or national level, the only hope for the local club is attract the top players to join your local community club, they didn't and since you had two clubs offering the same model, you basically sabotaged your dreams and goals by spitting up what little high end talent the market provided between two local clubs.


It wasn't well thought out or constructed it was doomed the day the ECNL took 10 teams from two local clubs. This isn't rocket science and now the USSDA league is the place to be and this strange saga is really just an irrelevant and unfortunate chapter of the OPL ilks convoluted and myopic thinking.

Next.

Hard to argue against your points.
However, local ECNL, for all it's issues, was and is a better option then the local / fractured / Timbers league. One can argue all day the weakness' of the local ECNL but it's still a far better option for the better Oregon player then the Timbers / OYSA leagues.

For all that have said there is no talent in our local ECNL teams then where is this high level talent for the Thorn's GDA team going to come from? The Timbers / OYSA league? don't be delusional.