Timbers Stranglehold on OYSA

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Do you have actual facts to back up your opinion that those statements are Facts?

USYS National League expanding to 32 teams:

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us_yout...Year=2016&pg=2

ECNL domination of Power 5 D1 programs:

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....me/901367.html

92% of ECNL graduates going to play soccer in college:

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....me/906222.html


No good teams in Oregon outside of ECNL - Thorns Academy "All-Star" team comprised of the best of the best of non-ECNL players in Oregon finishes 3rd with just 15 points in Winter League:

http://oysa-2016pttwinter.affinityso...3-F2E816CD5950

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USYS National League expanding to 32 teams:

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us_yout...Year=2016&pg=2

ECNL domination of Power 5 D1 programs:

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....me/901367.html

92% of ECNL graduates going to play soccer in college:

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....me/906222.html


No good teams in Oregon outside of ECNL - Thorns Academy "All-Star" team comprised of the best of the best of non-ECNL players in Oregon finishes 3rd with just 15 points in Winter League:

http://oysa-2016pttwinter.affinityso...3-F2E816CD5950

Thank you.



Wouldn't there be some argument that the Bend team that won or possibly the Eugene team that came in second could be good teams? Have they played the ECNL teams? Is there any way to compare them? Being as how both of those teams are non Portland teams I would argue that it would be reasonable to assume the Thorns Academy and ECNL teams do not have every top player in OR

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Thank you.

Wouldn't there be some argument that the Bend team that won or possibly the Eugene team that came in second could be good teams? Have they played the ECNL teams? Is there any way to compare them? Being as how both of those teams are non Portland teams I would argue that it would be reasonable to assume the Thorns Academy and ECNL teams do not have every top player in OR

We have played the Bend u18 girls and the FC Portland ECNL U18 girls and I would say the Bend team is the better team. The u18 girls Thorns Academy isn't very good. They have players that were B team players at other clubs.

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We have played the Bend u18 girls and the FC Portland ECNL U18 girls and I would say the Bend team is the better team. The u18 girls Thorns Academy isn't very good. They have players that were B team players at other clubs.

Bend puts 5 players in college soccer.

http://www.bendfctimbers.com/Collegeplacement

There are at least 15 from the FCP ECNL team...

http://fcportland.bonzidev.com/2016February_Newsletter

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Bend puts 5 players in college soccer.

http://www.bendfctimbers.com/Collegeplacement

There are at least 15 from the FCP ECNL team...

http://fcportland.bonzidev.com/2016February_Newsletter

You could also argue that Bend has a lot smaller population base than Portland

Eugene also puts quite a few into college I count 13 playing soccer from last years team, but don't see this years commits mentioned anywhere
http://eugenetimbers.org/about/alumni/

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There are two clubs in Oregon that are members of the ECNL. Maybe you haven't noticed, what with your DD playing in OYSA 4th division on her Timbers "A" team.

Those same two local clubs are also members of the USYS & USCS what was your point?

Big deal any club in this country can register for whatever league or tournament the choose freedom of choice in America, it's not like any of these leagues/tournaments or affiliations groups reached out & selected you, your daughter or the club local team.

Now if you said your child played for the USWNT or the USYS Regional team then everyone knows they were chosen based on superior skills and talent.

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Bend puts 5 players in college soccer.

http://www.bendfctimbers.com/Collegeplacement

There are at least 15 from the FCP ECNL team...

http://fcportland.bonzidev.com/2016February_Newsletter

That may be true but I stand by my assertion that Bend is the better team. I believe that the Bend team is a mix of u17 and u18 players so a lot of them may not have announced a college yet.

[Slow Xavi]

Connecting the dots..

Local clubs like, BSC, Crossfire, FC PDX, Salem Timbers all agree to play each other in the USDA sanctioned u12 boys oregon league this coming year---extrapolate this to mean they are USDA Academy program clubs, they are obviously not Academy clubs that field teams in the National wide program for the best u16 & u18 players in the country.
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It is more than USDA "sanctioning" - none of these clubs knew who the other applicants were, no "agreement" or coordination in advance (except maybe Portland TA clubs, some of whom may have been coordinating with Timbers on their application). Program is being run out of Chicago/Seattle. We (NEU) are working with FC on their team; USDA participation might/hopefully will lead to more collaboration among the clubs participating in it, but there was no pre-application coordination I am aware of (again with caveat above about Portland TA clubs).

You are right though that those clubs aren't involved in u16/u18 programs.

More broadly, it is interesting to watch how both USDA and ECNL are expanding; but how did this thread get on USDA and ECNL?

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It is more than USDA "sanctioning" - none of these clubs knew who the other applicants were, no "agreement" or coordination in advance (except maybe Portland TA clubs, some of whom may have been coordinating with Timbers on their application). Program is being run out of Chicago/Seattle. We (NEU) are working with FC on their team; USDA participation might/hopefully will lead to more collaboration among the clubs participating in it, but there was no pre-application coordination I am aware of (again with caveat above about Portland TA clubs).

You are right though that those clubs aren't involved in u16/u18 programs.

More broadly, it is interesting to watch how both USDA and ECNL are expanding; but how did this thread get on USDA and ECNL?

because some how everything cycles back to talking about ECNL and right now that also means talking USDA

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It is more than USDA "sanctioning" - none of these clubs knew who the other applicants were, no "agreement" or coordination in advance (except maybe Portland TA clubs, some of whom may have been coordinating with Timbers on their application). Program is being run out of Chicago/Seattle. We (NEU) are working with FC on their team; USDA participation might/hopefully will lead to more collaboration among the clubs participating in it, but there was no pre-application coordination I am aware of (again with caveat above about Portland TA clubs).

You are right though that those clubs aren't involved in u16/u18 programs.

More broadly, it is interesting to watch how both USDA and ECNL are expanding; but how did this thread get on USDA and ECNL?

Yes indeed there was agreement and coordination between the MLS Timbers and US Soccer about this local u12 USDA sanctioned league prior to it's inception.

As evidenced by having the league structure and rules of play meeting held at Providence Park conference room and having no less than 2 representatives from the MLS Timbers Mike Smith & Larry Sunderland in attendance steering the discussion.
Along with the US Soccer west coast Representative detailing the nuts and bolts.

The Timbers have no team in this local league why would they host this meeting lead discussion and send representatives to this meeting if they were not involved in it's coordination prior.

The Timbers don't want to be part of this local u12 USDA sanctioned league at the moment but more importantly they want to protect their RTC infrastructure and told US Soccer this local league would be allowed if they removed the restriction of playing only for the U12 USDA and allowed all of these clubs players to continue in the RTC, US Soccer said OK.

It's good to be the King in Portlandia even when you don't have a team in the league.

Keep Portland Weird.

[Slow Xavi]

Yes indeed there was agreement and coordination between the MLS Timbers and US Soccer about this local u12 USDA sanctioned league prior to it's inception.

As evidenced by having the league structure and rules of play meeting held at Providence Park conference room and having no less than 2 representatives from the MLS Timbers Mike Smith & Larry Sunderland in attendance steering the discussion.
Along with the US Soccer west coast Representative detailing the nuts and bolts.

The Timbers have no team in this local league why would they host this meeting lead discussion and send representatives to this meeting if they were not involved in it's coordination prior.

The Timbers don't want to be part of this local u12 USDA sanctioned league at the moment but more importantly they want to protect their RTC infrastructure and told US Soccer this local league would be allowed if they removed the restriction of playing only for the U12 USDA and allowed all of these clubs players to continue in the RTC, US Soccer said OK.

It's good to be the King in Portlandia even when you don't have a team in the league.

Keep Portland Weird.

I wouldn't characterize all of this the same way you have (or implied), but you appear to be well-informed.

Strange days indeed.

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You could also argue that Bend has a lot smaller population base than Portland

Eugene also puts quite a few into college I count 13 playing soccer from last years team, but don't see this years commits mentioned anywhere
http://eugenetimbers.org/about/alumni/

FC Portland is one of the smallest clubs in Portland yet they consistently put lots of girls in college soccer every year. That doesn't happen by chance.

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Those same two local clubs are also members of the USYS & USCS what was your point?

Yes, and they have teams that they call "state" teams in those leagues. Just like they call their teams "ECNL" that play in the ECNL.

Big deal any club in this country can register for whatever league or tournament the choose freedom of choice in America, it's not like any of these leagues/tournaments or affiliations groups reached out & selected you, your daughter or the club local team.

Not true. OYSA takes every club. ECNL is very selective with only 84 clubs across the entire nation.

Now if you said your child played for the USWNT or the USYS Regional team then everyone knows they were chosen based on superior skills and talent.

Also not true as there were Oregon girls on the USYS Regional team this past winter that can't even start in ECNL.

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Yes, and they have teams that they call "state" teams in those leagues. Just like they call their teams "ECNL" that play in the ECNL.



Not true. OYSA takes every club. ECNL is very selective with only 84 clubs across the entire nation.



Also not true as there were Oregon girls on the USYS Regional team this past winter that can't even start in ECNL.

You make a great point the ecnl is very selective about the clubs it lets in they have low standards in place just to allow clubs from Oregon that can't even win five games over the course of the entire season into a league just to make sure there is a balance good teams, average teams and crap teams. Point made. Appreciate more of your Insight and facts it helps provide a clearer picture of what is actually happening thank you again

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Yes, and they have teams that they call "state" teams in those leagues. Just like they call their teams "ECNL" that play in the ECNL.

Who is they? The clandestine group that is charged with naming local club teams? Funny Stuff, nice try though.


Not true. OYSA takes every club. ECNL is very selective with only 84 clubs across the entire nation.

Actually wrong again, the OYSA registers teams from 501c3 non profit clubs that meet the check the box criteria on list of USYS requirements. In addition the club must be in good standing. Try again.


Also not true as there were Oregon girls on the USYS Regional team this past winter that can't even start in ECNL

Once again we get to read your OPINION..nothing else. Try again.