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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Wrong. Nice try.
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    I find it interesting that you make no mention of other OPC member clubs that also wanted to give their teams the option to play in OPL and OYSA leagues. BSC and NEU were mentioned in another forum as needing to consider what was in the best interest of their membership on a "team-by-team basis."

    http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...html#msg322995
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    The collapse began in 2013.
    Yes the moment the OPL said no to Timbers + Westside/Eastside/PCU moved their boys' teams to OYSA, the end was near.

    You did miss out OPL's reason for terminating Timbers' relationship, which is below - non-profits shouldn't subsidize Timbers; potential for conflicts of interests; non-profits shouldn't be marketing avenue for Timbers unless they pay for it.

    What point are you trying to make about BSC and NEU - both attempted to stay neutral during the whole thing despite extreme pressure to pick a side. BSC ultimately went OYSA all the way, citing the need for unity in Oregon soccer (but unfortunately around the same time Thompson was given Thorns gig).

    __________________________________________________ ___________|
    November Member and Family Update
    November 6, 2013
    Dear OPL Members and Families:
    We’d like to thank you for your support over the past few years, and especially during the current fall season, as you’ve helped the Oregon Premier League become the most successful youth athletic league in Oregon.* The OPL currently serves over 500 boys and girls youth soccer teams in our leagues from U11 through U18 age groups.* When you add all of our member clubs, and include their competitive and recreational programs, we represent a staggering number of boys and girls youth soccer players and their families across the state of Oregon and southwest Washington.
    Recently the Oregon Youth Soccer Association and the Portland Timbers announced a partnership to start up yet another youth soccer league in Oregon.* Until now, we have done our best to stay out of the public news, choosing instead to continue to work behind the scenes in meetings with both OYSA and the Timbers, to attempt to keep youth soccer in Oregon unified in one league.* However we are regretfully coming to the realization that OYSA and the Timbers are not going to accept our repeated offers to continue to work together, and we believe that it’s important that you become aware of what’s really happening.
    The OPL was conceived and formed by eight clubs that believed in three fundamental principles:*
    1 – Decisions about playing soccer should be made by local soccer coaches, not by administrators
    2 – All youth soccer clubs should be treated equally and fairly, and should be given autonomy to operate as they see fit
    3 – The costs of youth soccer should be managed and controlled, to prevent them from spiraling out of control

    We have held firm to these principles as we organize and operate the OPL leagues and tournaments, and continue to hold firm to them during our discussions with OYSA and the Timbers.* And during these discussions, the OPL has continued to attempt to keep youth soccer under a unified environment, including proposing an ongoing co-operative relationship between all three organizations.* Indeed, we believe the Timbers, OYSA, and OPL each bring value to youth soccer that benefits players, families, and member clubs, and we can see (and have proposed) an environment where all three organizations can combine their resources to provide an excellent youth soccer experience for all.* However, there are two issues that continue to thwart our attempts at continued partnership.

    The OPL remains committed that all youth soccer clubs, and youth soccer players, should be treated equally and fairly.* As a condition to continuing to work together, the OPL has requested the Timbers commit to treating all youth soccer clubs (and their players and families) equally and fairly.* They have refused, and continue to offer special consideration to the Timbers alliance clubs, including (but not limited to) recruiting on their behalf at very young ages.* Many OPL member clubs have reported that Timbers representatives routinely tell young soccer players that in order to be selected to the Timbers academy program, a player must first play for a Timbers alliance club.* The Timbers organization refuses to police such recruiting.* (In case you’re wondering, many players from non-alliance clubs are actually offered roster spots on the Timbers Academy teams every year.)* However, the OPL does its best to treat every club, team, and player fairly, and definitely stands against youth player recruiting.

    The second issue is based on a fundamental difference in principle with respect to the costs of youth soccer.* Every dollar paid by clubs and players to the OPL is used on behalf of those clubs and players.* And the OPL has requested that the Timbers make the same commitment.* Again the Timbers have refused.* Their real interest in running youth soccer in Oregon and southwest Washington is continuing to tax every player to help pay for their costs of running and operating their academy teams.* This means the majority of youth soccer families (like you) will be unknowingly subsidizing the costs of the 50 elite youth boys soccer players selected to the Timbers U18 and U16 academy teams. While some elite player subsidy is inevitable, we are fundamentally opposed to taxing our membership to pay for the Timbers academy coaching salaries and academy team travel costs. This fundamental difference in principle is a major cause of the current divide between the organizations.*

    Last year, the OPL indeed agreed to pay $60,000 (annually) of your registration fees to the Timbers, who would use these dollars to help pay for their academy coaching salaries.* The Timbers promised in return to provide a comprehensive youth competitive and recreational coaching training curriculum, made available to all OPL member clubs.* At the time this exchange seemed reasonable.* However the training never materialized, and the $60,000 evolved into a pure subsidy of the Timbers two academy teams.* In July of 2013, the OPL notified the Timbers of the interest to re-negotiate a partnership, and the intent to respectfully opt out of the $60,000 annual subsidy.

    Don’t worry, the OPL clubs continue to support the Timbers organization by endorsing their camps and clinics, providing local fields and facilities for them, and encouraging OPL players and families to participate (and pay for them).* Your Timbers camps and clinics dollars are also being used to subsidize Timbers academy coaching salaries and travel costs, but you can attend these camps and clinics at your option, and the Timbers coaches and players are providing you value for these services.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

      Their real interest in running youth soccer in Oregon and southwest Washington is continuing to tax every player to help pay for their costs of running and operating their academy teams.* This means the majority of youth soccer families (like you) will be unknowingly subsidizing the costs of the 50 elite youth boys soccer players selected to the Timbers U18 and U16 academy teams. .
      Since all monies collected by Pergrine LLC are fungible all of the profits from running leagues and RTC/ODP for the OYSA could of gone here:

      http://www.timbers.com/post/2016/05/...ty-fund-grants

      http://www.timbers.com/post/2015/09/...ty-fund-grants

      http://www.timbers.com/post/2014/08/...ty-fund-grants

      The notion that Angela Harrison (OPL's only paid staffer) who crafted this letter referenced to the remaining OPL members, has any concrete idea where the profits from the Peregrine LLC enterprise actually go, is simply a guess or in this case a fantasy theory. Which says more about her mental state, delusion and paranoid state of mind as the OPL was in a free fall. It's really just a conspiracy theory without any proof. Why anyone would allow her to send this kind of propaganda and delusional commentary to the general public tells us that no one was in charge during these final hours of the OPL.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Since all monies collected by Pergrine LLC are fungible all of the profits from running leagues and RTC/ODP for the OYSA could of gone here:

        http://www.timbers.com/post/2016/05/...ty-fund-grants

        http://www.timbers.com/post/2015/09/...ty-fund-grants

        http://www.timbers.com/post/2014/08/...ty-fund-grants

        The notion that Angela Harrison (OPL's only paid staffer) who crafted this letter referenced to the remaining OPL members, has any concrete idea where the profits from the Peregrine LLC enterprise actually go, is simply a guess or in this case a fantasy theory. Which says more about her mental state, delusion and paranoid state of mind as the OPL was in a free fall. It's really just a conspiracy theory without any proof. Why anyone would allow her to send this kind of propaganda and delusional commentary to the general public tells us that no one was in charge during these final hours of the OPL.
        Well except for those grants are funded not just by Timbers, but by adidas, Alaska Airlines, etc. Sure the Timbers take the credit.

        OPL ran at a surplus - our league fees have gone up since going to OYSA. There is really no way the Timbers aren't making $$ on this.

        2016 Fall OYSA Fees - $975 for 11v11, $925 for 9v9. cite:http://oysa.bonzidev.com/doclib/2016...gue%20Info.pdf

        2013 Fall OPL Fees - $700-$800 (same press release as above; largely waived in 2014 I believe)

        Throw in tournament fees.

        You attack Angela's mental state but don't address her arguments. Par for the course in Timbers/Westside/Eastside land.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Well except for those grants are funded not just by Timbers, but by adidas, Alaska Airlines, etc. Sure the Timbers take the credit.

          OPL ran at a surplus - our league fees have gone up since going to OYSA. There is really no way the Timbers aren't making $$ on this.

          2016 Fall OYSA Fees - $975 for 11v11, $925 for 9v9. cite:http://oysa.bonzidev.com/doclib/2016...gue%20Info.pdf

          2013 Fall OPL Fees - $700-$800 (same press release as above; largely waived in 2014 I believe)

          Throw in tournament fees.

          You attack Angela's mental state but don't address her arguments. Par for the course in Timbers/Westside/Eastside land.
          Maybe those corporate sponsors get to have their names attached with credit for the community grants based on the amount of corporate sponsorship dollars paid annually to Peregrine. In the end we only know the amounts gifted to the community, not how much comes from the corporate sponsors. It' all fungible.

          Let's be clear about a few things this woman's state of mind and disposition is well documented. She is gone from the everyday life of the administration of youth soccer leagues in Oregon and what she was conjuring in her mind nearly 3 years ago was somehow slipped into the announcement of the OPL cease of operations.

          Only the Peregrine LLC book keeper and CFO could educate any of us what type profits, if any this business is amassing off the business practice of running OYSA league & cup services. So there is no way to address any of these type of theoretical claims made by her in the goodbye letter. If there were a case to be made that could be argued, it would need something called 'evidence' since there is no such thing it's impossible to even discuss this type of claim. Other than to dismiss it as wild claim.

          If i were to guess where the revenue from league services would go... it would be real simple: the 2 former OYSA admin now working for the Peregrine LLC in the same roles they held at the OYSA. No MLS club hires state association staff to do ostensibly state association services without the funding for these jobs in their budget. Peregrine has to come up with nearly 200K a year between salary and benefits for these two guys, why not pay them from the proceeds generated from OYSA related practices. This is logical and has a well reasoned connection to the OYSA revenues and their scope of duties at Peregrine llc. That doesn't make it so, but it's a fair business model. Again only a theory.

          Fact is we will never be able to follow the monies that go from OYSA member clubs to Peregrine, why did the OPL ever make up random claims without evidence to support their claims. Instead they insisted on using oppressive language such as a 'Tax' to support these wild claims.

          Which does in fact speak to a state of mind.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Yes the moment the OPL said no to Timbers + Westside/Eastside/PCU moved their boys' teams to OYSA, the end was near.

            You did miss out OPL's reason for terminating Timbers' relationship, which is below - non-profits shouldn't subsidize Timbers; potential for conflicts of interests; non-profits shouldn't be marketing avenue for Timbers unless they pay for it.

            What point are you trying to make about BSC and NEU - both attempted to stay neutral during the whole thing despite extreme pressure to pick a side. BSC ultimately went OYSA all the way, citing the need for unity in Oregon soccer (but unfortunately around the same time Thompson was given Thorns gig).

            __________________________________________________ ___________|
            November Member and Family Update
            November 6, 2013
            Dear OPL Members and Families:
            We’d like to thank you for your support over the past few years, and especially during the current fall season, as you’ve helped the Oregon Premier League become the most successful youth athletic league in Oregon.* The OPL currently serves over 500 boys and girls youth soccer teams in our leagues from U11 through U18 age groups.* When you add all of our member clubs, and include their competitive and recreational programs, we represent a staggering number of boys and girls youth soccer players and their families across the state of Oregon and southwest Washington.
            Recently the Oregon Youth Soccer Association and the Portland Timbers announced a partnership to start up yet another youth soccer league in Oregon.* Until now, we have done our best to stay out of the public news, choosing instead to continue to work behind the scenes in meetings with both OYSA and the Timbers, to attempt to keep youth soccer in Oregon unified in one league.* However we are regretfully coming to the realization that OYSA and the Timbers are not going to accept our repeated offers to continue to work together, and we believe that it’s important that you become aware of what’s really happening.
            The OPL was conceived and formed by eight clubs that believed in three fundamental principles:*
            1 – Decisions about playing soccer should be made by local soccer coaches, not by administrators
            2 – All youth soccer clubs should be treated equally and fairly, and should be given autonomy to operate as they see fit
            3 – The costs of youth soccer should be managed and controlled, to prevent them from spiraling out of control

            We have held firm to these principles as we organize and operate the OPL leagues and tournaments, and continue to hold firm to them during our discussions with OYSA and the Timbers.* And during these discussions, the OPL has continued to attempt to keep youth soccer under a unified environment, including proposing an ongoing co-operative relationship between all three organizations.* Indeed, we believe the Timbers, OYSA, and OPL each bring value to youth soccer that benefits players, families, and member clubs, and we can see (and have proposed) an environment where all three organizations can combine their resources to provide an excellent youth soccer experience for all.* However, there are two issues that continue to thwart our attempts at continued partnership.

            The OPL remains committed that all youth soccer clubs, and youth soccer players, should be treated equally and fairly.* As a condition to continuing to work together, the OPL has requested the Timbers commit to treating all youth soccer clubs (and their players and families) equally and fairly.* They have refused, and continue to offer special consideration to the Timbers alliance clubs, including (but not limited to) recruiting on their behalf at very young ages.* Many OPL member clubs have reported that Timbers representatives routinely tell young soccer players that in order to be selected to the Timbers academy program, a player must first play for a Timbers alliance club.* The Timbers organization refuses to police such recruiting.* (In case you’re wondering, many players from non-alliance clubs are actually offered roster spots on the Timbers Academy teams every year.)* However, the OPL does its best to treat every club, team, and player fairly, and definitely stands against youth player recruiting.

            The second issue is based on a fundamental difference in principle with respect to the costs of youth soccer.* Every dollar paid by clubs and players to the OPL is used on behalf of those clubs and players.* And the OPL has requested that the Timbers make the same commitment.* Again the Timbers have refused.* Their real interest in running youth soccer in Oregon and southwest Washington is continuing to tax every player to help pay for their costs of running and operating their academy teams.* This means the majority of youth soccer families (like you) will be unknowingly subsidizing the costs of the 50 elite youth boys soccer players selected to the Timbers U18 and U16 academy teams. While some elite player subsidy is inevitable, we are fundamentally opposed to taxing our membership to pay for the Timbers academy coaching salaries and academy team travel costs. This fundamental difference in principle is a major cause of the current divide between the organizations.*

            Last year, the OPL indeed agreed to pay $60,000 (annually) of your registration fees to the Timbers, who would use these dollars to help pay for their academy coaching salaries.* The Timbers promised in return to provide a comprehensive youth competitive and recreational coaching training curriculum, made available to all OPL member clubs.* At the time this exchange seemed reasonable.* However the training never materialized, and the $60,000 evolved into a pure subsidy of the Timbers two academy teams.* In July of 2013, the OPL notified the Timbers of the interest to re-negotiate a partnership, and the intent to respectfully opt out of the $60,000 annual subsidy.

            Don’t worry, the OPL clubs continue to support the Timbers organization by endorsing their camps and clinics, providing local fields and facilities for them, and encouraging OPL players and families to participate (and pay for them).* Your Timbers camps and clinics dollars are also being used to subsidize Timbers academy coaching salaries and travel costs, but you can attend these camps and clinics at your option, and the Timbers coaches and players are providing you value for these services.
            1. The OPC was forcing the clubs to pick a side, period. That's why they kicked the three clubs out.

            Interesting. BSC and NEU could remain "neutral" yet the other clubs had to pick a side? Those two clubs wanted the same thing for their membership; BSC and NEU families, like PCU, ESU, WS, and all the rest of the non-profit youth soccer families, as represented by their NON-PROFIT BOARDS, not their paid staff DOCS, should decide what teams should play in what leagues.

            2. Didn't the TA clubs continue to support OPL events, and OPC member clubs tournaments?

            3. Anyone from any club, regardless of affiliation, could tryout for Timbers Academy teams. So every club was affected the same way whether they stayed or left the OPL.

            4. Some one said it earlier, that the OPC jumped into their agreement with the Timbers a bit too early, so yep, they paid the price in many ways. Sounds to me like they need to look at themselves and quit pointing the fingers at everyone else. Reap what you sow buddies.

            5. Who are these local soccer coaches they mention and who are these administrators they mention as taking the decisions away from? A lot of stuff missing here. Who signed this letter?

            Interesting indeed.
            Thanks for sharing.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well except for those grants are funded not just by Timbers, but by adidas, Alaska Airlines, etc. Sure the Timbers take the credit.

              OPL ran at a surplus - our league fees have gone up since going to OYSA. There is really no way the Timbers aren't making $$ on this.

              2016 Fall OYSA Fees - $975 for 11v11, $925 for 9v9. cite:http://oysa.bonzidev.com/doclib/2016...gue%20Info.pdf

              2013 Fall OPL Fees - $700-$800 (same press release as above; largely waived in 2014 I believe)

              Throw in tournament fees.

              You attack Angela's mental state but don't address her arguments. Par for the course in Timbers/Westside/Eastside land.
              Why do you keep blaming WS and ES? Where is your concrete proof?

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Well except for those grants are funded not just by Timbers, but by adidas, Alaska Airlines, etc. Sure the Timbers take the credit.

                OPL ran at a surplus - our league fees have gone up since going to OYSA. There is really no way the Timbers aren't making $$ on this.

                2016 Fall OYSA Fees - $975 for 11v11, $925 for 9v9. cite:http://oysa.bonzidev.com/doclib/2016...gue%20Info.pdf

                2013 Fall OPL Fees - $700-$800 (same press release as above; largely waived in 2014 I believe)

                Throw in tournament fees.

                You attack Angela's mental state but don't address her arguments. Par for the course in Timbers/Westside/Eastside land.
                FYI-Westside has nothing but praise for all the hard work that Angela has done for OPL. If you don't believe it, ask John.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

                  4. Some one said it earlier, that the OPC jumped into their agreement with the Timbers a bit too early, so yep, they paid the price in many ways. Sounds to me like they need to look at themselves and quit pointing the fingers at everyone else. Reap what you sow buddies.



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                  3 things led to the demise of OPL:

                  1. Severing the relationship w/ Timbers
                  2. Westside/Eastside/PCU removing their boys teams from OPL
                  3. OPC kicking WST/EST/PCU off of the OPC


                  1. The $60k paid to the Timbers was outrageous; when OPL didn't think they got what was promised they did the right thing and terminated the contract. Bad tactics maybe. Morally the right thing to do.

                  2. was EST/WST/PCU's decision.

                  3. Grey area both tactically and morally. Feeling was that EST/WST/PCU were plotting with GW and were not attending meetings. That 2 followed so closely after 1, sure didn't help the "trust" piece. GW's very public melt down didn't either. Soccer environment was a better place when FC/CU/THUSC/EST/WST/PCU were working together; severing those groups weakened them all in a way. End of the day though, they thought it was morally the right thing to do.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    3 things led to the demise of OPL:

                    1. Severing the relationship w/ Timbers
                    2. Westside/Eastside/PCU removing their boys teams from OPL
                    3. OPC kicking WST/EST/PCU off of the OPC


                    1. The $60k paid to the Timbers was outrageous; when OPL didn't think they got what was promised they did the right thing and terminated the contract. Bad tactics maybe. Morally the right thing to do.

                    2. was EST/WST/PCU's decision.

                    3. Grey area both tactically and morally. Feeling was that EST/WST/PCU were plotting with GW and were not attending meetings. That 2 followed so closely after 1, sure didn't help the "trust" piece. GW's very public melt down didn't either. Soccer environment was a better place when FC/CU/THUSC/EST/WST/PCU were working together; severing those groups weakened them all in a way. End of the day though, they thought it was morally the right thing to do.
                    Same thing could be said for "morally" doing the right thing for club members. Not all teams needed to only play OPL.

                    Looking at that letter that the OPL sent out, it looks like a bunch of club coaches decided that they didn't need their own clubs telling them what to do. So if some of the clubs said that they were leaving it up to their teams to decide if they wanted to do both or either the OPL and OYSA leagues then I could see where some clubs had the right to tell their DOCs to go back and tell the OPC their decisions.

                    It sounds like the OPC told those clubs were kicked out of the OPC so what do you mean they didn't come back to meetings?

                    GW has always had melt downs the entire time he's been in Oregon. No new news there. So if the OPC had a "feeling" how did they work through it with those clubs trying to have teams in both leagues? Sounds like a reasonable plan.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Same thing could be said for "morally" doing the right thing for club members. Not all teams needed to only play OPL.

                      Looking at that letter that the OPL sent out, it looks like a bunch of club coaches decided that they didn't need their own clubs telling them what to do. So if some of the clubs said that they were leaving it up to their teams to decide if they wanted to do both or either the OPL and OYSA leagues then I could see where some clubs had the right to tell their DOCs to go back and tell the OPC their decisions.

                      It sounds like the OPC told those clubs were kicked out of the OPC so what do you mean they didn't come back to meetings?

                      GW has always had melt downs the entire time he's been in Oregon. No new news there. So if the OPC had a "feeling" how did they work through it with those clubs trying to have teams in both leagues? Sounds like a reasonable plan.
                      The clubs kicked off of the OPC stopped showing up for meetings about the time they said they were moving their boys' to OYSA. Both those events followed OPL refusing to pay that ridiculous 60k to the Timbers.

                      For the record - OPL could have continued. Simply was too much work for FC and CU in the end + their stronger boys' teams needed some games against WST and EST, for development.

                      It is unfortunate that the only clubs who ever say no to GW are FC and CU. Folks sitting quietly in the corner while bullies have meltdowns enabled the behavior.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The clubs kicked off of the OPC stopped showing up for meetings about the time they said they were moving their boys' to OYSA. Both those events followed OPL refusing to pay that ridiculous 60k to the Timbers.

                        For the record - OPL could have continued. Simply was too much work for FC and CU in the end + their stronger boys' teams needed some games against WST and EST, for development.

                        It is unfortunate that the only clubs who ever say no to GW are FC and CU. Folks sitting quietly in the corner while bullies have meltdowns enabled the behavior.
                        For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction--FC & CU screamed and proudly told any and everyone we are now part of the ECNL!! not the OYSA!!

                        Sometimes you think you have won a battle and you find out you actually lost the entire war.

                        For the record: every club in Oregon tells GW to Pi$$ off...regularly.

                        By joining the ECNL vs going to the OYSA like all of the other clubs, this collection of 10 teams from basically 3 clubs has shown the state what kind of leadership, intelligence and maturity they actually possess.

                        It's really kind of funny and juvenile.

                        The only truly unfortunate outcome was the fact local parents had to pay for this expensive temper tantrum, with crazy travel fees.

                        Today these 3 'rebels' LOSC, THUSC & FC are left with only 1 DOC standing at LOSC and the other (2) DOC's from FC and THUSC have been canned or moved on from this massive dumpster fire.

                        Let it go and move forward.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction--FC & CU screamed and proudly told any and everyone we are now part of the ECNL!! not the OYSA!!

                          Sometimes you think you have won a battle and you find out you actually lost the entire war.

                          For the record: every club in Oregon tells GW to Pi$$ off...regularly.

                          By joining the ECNL vs going to the OYSA like all of the other clubs, this collection of 10 teams from basically 3 clubs has shown the state what kind of leadership, intelligence and maturity they actually possess.

                          It's really kind of funny and juvenile.

                          The only truly unfortunate outcome was the fact local parents had to pay for this expensive temper tantrum, with crazy travel fees.

                          Today these 3 'rebels' LOSC, THUSC & FC are left with only 1 DOC standing at LOSC and the other (2) DOC's from FC and THUSC have been canned or moved on from this massive dumpster fire.

                          Let it go and move forward.
                          Yeh Eastside has been the pinnacle of stability at the DOC level in recent years - how many DOCs have they gone through in the last 5 years? Do Westside's DOCs even live in Oregon anymore? Their sole engagement in Oregon soccer seems to be to bitch about ECNL these days ...remember when they use to be leaders?

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                            No one gives two efs about girls soccer. Boring. No one cares....now go make me a sandwich soccer mommy. Hurry it up.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Yeh Eastside has been the pinnacle of stability at the DOC level in recent years - how many DOCs have they gone through in the last 5 years? Do Westside's DOCs even live in Oregon anymore? Their sole engagement in Oregon soccer seems to be to bitch about ECNL these days ...remember when they use to be leaders?
                              This discussion is shaped by the decisions of (3) local clubs who say NO to GW. (Fc.losc.thusc)

                              Why when you are confronted about the fact only (1) DOC remains from those (3) you spew out random nonsense aimed at 2 other local clubs who have zero to do with the issues and decisions of these special (3) clubs.

                              Paranoid and Delusional much?

                              Pathetic attempt of redirecting conversation to parties who are irelevant in this sphere.

                              Come on it's really all the boogeymans fault.

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                                Poop. No one cares

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