Where should my daughter apply to play

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Thank you

I know this poster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMoAhjA9dCE

Thank you for this bit of sanity. I salute your cleverness.

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Sorry Tara it must be a sore point.

It was a sore point with her. But since you are clueless about soccer in Oregon, in spite of your supposed PAC 12 dd's (scoff). I won't share on here why she got an extra year but suffice it to say she would have been gone a year earlier if not for the issue. And Kat will be gone too if she turns in two more bad finishes. Ditto Linus. But keep thinking that coaches get 10+ years regardless of the results. You continue to display your ignorance of college soccer.

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It was a sore point with her. But since you are clueless about soccer in Oregon, in spite of your supposed PAC 12 dd's (scoff). I won't share on here why she got an extra year but suffice it to say she would have been gone a year earlier if not for the issue. And Kat will be gone too if she turns in two more bad finishes. Ditto Linus. But keep thinking that coaches get 10+ years regardless of the results. You continue to display your ignorance of college soccer.

What on God's green earth are you babbling about? It makes no sense and doesn't tie in to anything. Are you suggesting that Tara is ignorant about college soccer? You have some inside scoop on all the college coaches that you would like to ridicule others over but you are the only one in the loop (wink wink)? Take a Xanax and it will all be fine.

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It sounds like you have a rude awakening if you are about to "get tangled up in this world" and believe that your DD will find a 'exemplary' soccer college to land at. At best it is a crap shoot. If you change your attitude a little and look for good rather than bad then you might enjoy the experience. Otherwise, you are in for a miserable ride.

That is not what I said.

She is at that age where she will explore her options. She will not attending Southeastern Bum***k college just for a scholarship or PSU or going to UofO to sit on a bench for a 1/10th athletic scholarship.

Soccer is a sport. A sport,for women in particular, that really has no long term relevance. Therefore, she won't be looking for an exemplary soccer school. She will attempt to get into the school(s) or her choice and if soccer plays into that, so be it. If she is given the option to attend Stanford or UofO and get say she is 'on the team'. She will be attending Stanford.

I would still argue that part of the reason why many of the local D1 teams have been mediocre of late is because of that reliance on local talent. Local talent that really has not be tested prior to college at very high levels of competition. A local girl, from nowhere town, getting onto the regional ODP team and playing on a tourney isn't cutting it.

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It was a sore point with her. But since you are clueless about soccer in Oregon, in spite of your supposed PAC 12 dd's (scoff). I won't share on here why she got an extra year but suffice it to say she would have been gone a year earlier if not for the issue. And Kat will be gone too if she turns in two more bad finishes. Ditto Linus. But keep thinking that coaches get 10+ years regardless of the results. You continue to display your ignorance of college soccer.

Let's think for just a second. After football, what's the most important sport at colleges? That's right, basketball. Football and basketball, including women's basketball, support themselves and about 95% or so of the entire sports budget at colleges. With PAC-12 television contracts, those schools barely need any other monies to run the enormous programs with the enormous coach salaries. Now skip forward to Oregon State women's basketball. They now have a wonderful coach, Scott Rueck, coming from George Fox starting for the 2010 season, (I think). Why did he come? The previous coach, after years of bitter complaints by team members to the AD's office, finally was fired. She managed to cause almost all of her team to transfer. In fact, 16 players transferred out of her program. Rueck's first fall campaign left him with 4 players. He had to have open tryouts at OSU for all those interested to come out. She was so bad as a coach that it's hard to find comparisons. But she lasted for many, many years.

The point is this, I fully agree that bad and unsuccessful coaches in any sport should be fired. But they have multi-year contracts. Women's soccer coaches don't attract the AD's eye very much. Look at Tara at UO. They just stay on. This is reality, not some guess from an ignorant poster who makes up things like 10 year tenures and the like. You need to seriously STFU.

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That is not what I said.

She is at that age where she will explore her options. She will not attending Southeastern Bum***k college just for a scholarship or PSU or going to UofO to sit on a bench for a 1/10th athletic scholarship.

Soccer is a sport. A sport,for women in particular, that really has no long term relevance. Therefore, she won't be looking for an exemplary soccer school. She will attempt to get into the school(s) or her choice and if soccer plays into that, so be it. If she is given the option to attend Stanford or UofO and get say she is 'on the team'. She will be attending Stanford.

I would still argue that part of the reason why many of the local D1 teams have been mediocre of late is because of that reliance on local talent. Local talent that really has not be tested prior to college at very high levels of competition. A local girl, from nowhere town, getting onto the regional ODP team and playing on a tourney isn't cutting it.

OMG are you kidding me. If your kid does get accepted to Stanford and wink wink gets even a 20% ride I hope you are still willing to shell out $100K+. You my dear are a very sad individual in need of some serious vindication for all the evils that these local girl's from nowhere inflicted on you or your precious child. I hope that you at least see success in the amazing accomplishments of your own children even if they don't go to Stanford.

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I would still argue that part of the reason why many of the local D1 teams have been mediocre of late is because of that reliance on local talent. Local talent that really has not be tested prior to college at very high levels of competition. A local girl, from nowhere town, getting onto the regional ODP team and playing on a tourney isn't cutting it.

What do you mean but tested at very high levels of competition? Regional ODP isn't it? ECNL on a top 10 team isn't it? National Pool isn't it? Winning multiple tournaments like Surf isn't it? You have no clue. What talent do you think local colleges should rely on? Southern California? If so, that is where the majority of all the west coast teams come from anyway. Your argument is bologna.

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What do you mean but tested at very high levels of competition? Regional ODP isn't it? ECNL on a top 10 team isn't it? National Pool isn't it? Winning multiple tournaments like Surf isn't it? You have no clue. What talent do you think local colleges should rely on? Southern California? If so, that is where the majority of all the west coast teams come from anyway. Your argument is bologna.

Oregon has girls in the national pool? What team from Oregon is winning multiple out of state tourney's like surf?

And no.... ODP is not impressive.

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Oregon has girls in the national pool? What team from Oregon is winning multiple out of state tourney's like surf?

And no.... ODP is not impressive.

Spoken like a parent whose child never made it :-)

And yes, there are Oregon teams who have won surf (think college age ) and their have been Oregon girls in the national pool. Not many you know why? Because it was seriously difficult to get there. BTW: times change but ODP was absolutely hands down the fastest way to be noticed by coaches outside of Oregon for all of the current college age girls. Whey you made the regional team you opened many opportunities. Now it is ECNL and in 5 years we need a crystal ball.

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Oregon has girls in the national pool? What team from Oregon is winning multiple out of state tourney's like surf?

And no.... ODP is not impressive.

THUSC has at least two or three in the national pool.

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I find it amusing that you are so passionate in your ignorance. We may have different viewpoints, but at least mine is fact-based.

1. If you think that 2 Oregon players, on average, that make the rosters of UO or OSU is a lot, well, I can't change your mind. By the way, 2 per year for 4 years equals the 8-9 players you reference. Both programs bring in 5-10 new players each year.

I post facts, you post conjecture. I disprove you, you continue to argue your worthless point. You said very few. I disproved this. And to further disprove you, everyone thinks that Washington is a powerhouse by comparison to Oregon soccer. Well, there are 10 Washington players on the UW. Look at WSU, and there are 9. So, Washington put in a grand total of 2 more players, one at each Pac 12 school, than Oregon put into UO and OSU. Once again, you are spewing forth conjecture that fails when the facts are presented.

2. Teams travel with 22 as that is the conference rule in the PAC-12. The other players, 9 at UO for example, don't travel with the team; they stay home. If you don't know this basic and simple fact then you know nothing about college soccer.

I have no idea what point you think you have here, other than what is under your hat. Unless you are saying that ALL 9 players from Oregon at UO didn't make the travel squad. Seriously, reading your posts makes people's heads hurt because they don't make sense.

3. I'd like to think that coaches that don't perform are on the hot seat. Simple truth is that the athletic directors at UP, OSU, PSU and UP will let the coaches stay and decimate their programs for years. Look at what Tara did at UO. Kat has many years there before any change is made. Linus at OSU had been very good, getting them to the playoffs I think 2009-2011 (?) with Sweet 16 in 2009. Last year and this have been very poor. But, regardless, he'll be there for years to come. Laura at PSU has done a good job with her talent, she'll be there for as long as she likes. Garrett will be there until he decides to quit or retire, his record won't matter.

Again, you don't have a clue. ADs pay close attention to all of their programs. Good ADs anyway. You don't win in the Pac 12 or the WCC, you are gone. You don't get 7 much less 10 years to prove yourself. Soccer coaches, just like the other sports, are under the microscope. What you aren't factoring in for OSU is the blowup he had last spring. Just ask any club coach who has a clue, unlike you, and knows the college coaches here know exactly what is going on. And you are clueless, unsprisingly, about Garrett. His teams are falling off because his recruiting is falling off. This year appears to be a disaster so far. Go no further than a 0-0 tie with winless OSU as proof. [/QUOTE]

4. All PAC-12 teams are big time soccer programs. This is true regardless of the success level. Often women's soccer share facilities with the football teams. Indoor full size fields, weight rooms, full time dedicated trainers, academic advisors, academic study facilities (mandatory if grades aren't kept up), full medical help (UO may have a dentist I was told!), many, many uniforms and practice wear, several pair of shoes each year, laundry done by staff, generous food allotment money when traveling, book cost reduction and delivery, no line waiting, 2 players per hotel room when traveling with 2 queen beds, 3 full time coaches, and most often a portion of the money that 14 full scholarships dollars can offer. I sure there are other benefits I don't know. Other things like offering players both academic and athletic scholarships, when some conferences only offer one or the other.

Again, your arguement fails. Not all Pac 12 programs are big time programs. Just because UCLA won the NC last year doesn't make OSU a big time program. Certainly not over the past few years. Ditto UO. Is Gonzaga a big time program? No, they just happen to be in the WCC where you have Santa Clara, Pepperdine and used to have a highly successful UP.

But please, stick to your stupidity, it apparently has served you well all these years.

Hopefully you were looking into a mirror while you said that.

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I find it amusing that you are so passionate in your ignorance. We may have different viewpoints, but at least mine is fact-based.

If you think that 2 Oregon players, on average, that make the rosters of UO or OSU is a lot, well, I can't change your mind. By the way, 2 per year for 4 years equals the 8-9 players you reference. Both programs bring in 5-10 new players each year.

OMG. I can't believe that you are calling out someone else for being ignorant while you ignore the facts. The facts are, there are about 70 spots per year in the Pac 12. As you state, 4-5 go to Oregon. As stated above, about 5-6 go to Washington. Add in 4 or so from Utah, and 4 for Colorado, and 8-9 for Arizona, plus a couple from Nevada and one or two from New Mexico, and you are left with arounnd 38 to 45 from California. If you think about how many kids are playing club soccer in California, your statement can apply to California as well. On a per capita basis, it's likely not many percentage points better than Oregon. And Oregon is likely in line with Washington, Arizona, Utah and Colorado. So the reality is, virtually none of the Pac 12 states put "a lot" of girls into the Pac 12 when you adjust for population.

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Agreed!

OMG. I can't believe that you are calling out someone else for being ignorant while you ignore the facts. The facts are, there are about 70 spots per year in the Pac 12. As you state, 4-5 go to Oregon. As stated above, about 5-6 go to Washington. Add in 4 or so from Utah, and 4 for Colorado, and 8-9 for Arizona, plus a couple from Nevada and one or two from New Mexico, and you are left with arounnd 38 to 45 from California. If you think about how many kids are playing club soccer in California, your statement can apply to California as well. On a per capita basis, it's likely not many percentage points better than Oregon. And Oregon is likely in line with Washington, Arizona, Utah and Colorado. So the reality is, virtually none of the Pac 12 states put "a lot" of girls into the Pac 12 when you adjust for population.

This is a great post, I am sure you will be attacked for it, but it is a good reality check.

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If you get accepted to Stanford, and your AGI is under $100,000 there is no expectation of a family contribution. They are an incredibly generous institution.

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If you get accepted to Stanford, and your AGI is under $100,000 there is no expectation of a family contribution. They are an incredibly generous institution.

Which is why my dd if accepted there, will attend that school. Her soccer career will be over and we will be thrilled she is going. Versus, getting a partial scholarship to play soccer but at a considerably lesser school. I'm not going to encourage my dd to 'pay to play' at some local D1 school with a mediocre soccer program to boot.