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"1. "Damn few players from Oregon will make either the UO or OSU roster." Well, I counted 8 on OSU and 9 on Oregon. That's more than "damn few". Furthermore, for those that knock Gresham on here, there are three from Gresham/Sandy on UO whereby there is ONE from Portland. Two from Bend, one from Springfield and one from Ashland (presumably played in Medford, yet all of those quips from people who mock going to Medford). "

This is most likely why these teams are abysmal, not something to brag about. I'm not talking about academics or comparing them to other crappy soccer schools. I understand there are ranked teams in the PAC 12, but the D1 programs haven't even gotten into the meat of their schedules and they showing very poorly. Include UofP in that mix as they only managed a draw against OSU today.

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Ding ding ding!

That's the BS-O-meter going off.

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"1. "Damn few players from Oregon will make either the UO or OSU roster." Well, I counted 8 on OSU and 9 on Oregon. That's more than "damn few". Furthermore, for those that knock Gresham on here, there are three from Gresham/Sandy on UO whereby there is ONE from Portland. Two from Bend, one from Springfield and one from Ashland (presumably played in Medford, yet all of those quips from people who mock going to Medford). "

This is most likely why these teams are abysmal, not something to brag about. I'm not talking about academics or comparing them to other crappy soccer schools. I understand there are ranked teams in the PAC 12, but the D1 programs haven't even gotten into the meat of their schedules and they showing very poorly. Include UofP in that mix as they only managed a draw against OSU today.

You are one of those people who probably feel better about your little Sally not being PAC 12 or U of P college material by devaluing the accomplishments of other Oregon players who have made it to these schools. I think any player receiving offers from any of the aforementioned schools do have something to brag about. Additionally abysmal is an extreme word and does not apply. These colleges have all beat teams that consistently make it into the playoffs from other leagues. The PAC 12 is a hard road even for a good team. Of the 320 schools offering D1 Women's soccer programs these would all be in the top 33% . I would put abysmal at the lowest 10% due to the extreme nature of the word.

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Hard to believe ....

For someone who claims to know so much, you sure got a lot of facts wrong.

1. "Damn few players from Oregon will make either the UO or OSU roster." Well, I counted 8 on OSU and 9 on Oregon. That's more than "damn few". Furthermore, for those that knock Gresham on here, there are three from Gresham/Sandy on UO whereby there is ONE from Portland. Two from Bend, one from Springfield and one from Ashland (presumably played in Medford, yet all of those quips from people who mock going to Medford).

2. "Unfortunately, you may be number 23 out of a 26-30 player PAC-12 roster and never travel." Well, the numbers above would say you are full of BS since they aren't leaving 8 or 9 players home when they travel.

3. "Both UO and OSU will be better next year as their young rosters mature." Complete conjecture. UO finished dead last in 2013 in the Pac 12. OSU had a complete blowup last spring and is off to a winless start this year. OSU was picked to finish dead last in the Pac 12, UO 10th. Linus is on the hot seat over the blowup, the results from last year and the poor start this year. Kat has got to finish higher than 10th either this year or next or will be on the hot seat. If you aren't aware of this, you aren't in the know regarding Oregon soccer.

4. You don't mention UP, and last I heard, it was in Oregon just like Portland State. However GS is on the hot seat given the lack of good playoff runs the past few years. Last year was particularly disappointing. And his start this year is terrible. If he misses the playoffs this year, next year will be the make or break year for him.

So you may think UO and OSU are big time Pac 12 programs, and I will agree that the Pac 12 is big time, but right now, they are far from big time in the Pac 12. Five programs are ranked currently in the top 25. And in all liklihood, there will be more within a week or two if certain teams keep winning since three other teams received votes. UO or OSU won't be one of them however.

We can agree on one point, and that is the PSU is not in a top drawer league and isn't a top drawer program. They are D1 however and that means something.

Keep posting conjecture, opinion and false statements but by all means, tell everyone else that they don't know anything and that you are so smart.

I find it amusing that you are so passionate in your ignorance. We may have different viewpoints, but at least mine is fact-based.

1. If you think that 2 Oregon players, on average, that make the rosters of UO or OSU is a lot, well, I can't change your mind. By the way, 2 per year for 4 years equals the 8-9 players you reference. Both programs bring in 5-10 new players each year.

2. Teams travel with 22 as that is the conference rule in the PAC-12. The other players, 9 at UO for example, don't travel with the team; they stay home. If you don't know this basic and simple fact then you know nothing about college soccer.

3. I'd like to think that coaches that don't perform are on the hot seat. Simple truth is that the athletic directors at UP, OSU, PSU and UP will let the coaches stay and decimate their programs for years. Look at what Tara did at UO. Kat has many years there before any change is made. Linus at OSU had been very good, getting them to the playoffs I think 2009-2011 (?) with Sweet 16 in 2009. Last year and this have been very poor. But, regardless, he'll be there for years to come. Laura at PSU has done a good job with her talent, she'll be there for as long as she likes. Garrett will be there until he decides to quit or retire, his record won't matter.

4. All PAC-12 teams are big time soccer programs. This is true regardless of the success level. Often women's soccer share facilities with the football teams. Indoor full size fields, weight rooms, full time dedicated trainers, academic advisors, academic study facilities (mandatory if grades aren't kept up), full medical help (UO may have a dentist I was told!), many, many uniforms and practice wear, several pair of shoes each year, laundry done by staff, generous food allotment money when traveling, book cost reduction and delivery, no line waiting, 2 players per hotel room when traveling with 2 queen beds, 3 full time coaches, and most often a portion of the money that 14 full scholarships dollars can offer. I sure there are other benefits I don't know. Other things like offering players both academic and athletic scholarships, when some conferences only offer one or the other.

But please, stick to your stupidity, it apparently has served you well all these years.

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I find it amusing that you are so passionate in your ignorance. We may have different viewpoints, but at least mine is fact-based.

1. If you think that 2 Oregon players, on average, that make the rosters of UO or OSU is a lot, well, I can't change your mind. By the way, 2 per year for 4 years equals the 8-9 players you reference. Both programs bring in 5-10 new players each year.

2. Teams travel with 22 as that is the conference rule in the PAC-12. The other players, 9 at UO for example, don't travel with the team; they stay home. If you don't know this basic and simple fact then you know nothing about college soccer.

3. I'd like to think that coaches that don't perform are on the hot seat. Simple truth is that the athletic directors at UP, OSU, PSU and UP will let the coaches stay and decimate their programs for years. Look at what Tara did at UO. Kat has many years there before any change is made. Linus at OSU had been very good, getting them to the playoffs I think 2009-2011 (?) with Sweet 16 in 2009. Last year and this have been very poor. But, regardless, he'll be there for years to come. Laura at PSU has done a good job with her talent, she'll be there for as long as she likes. Garrett will be there until he decides to quit or retire, his record won't matter.

4. All PAC-12 teams are big time soccer programs. This is true regardless of the success level. Often women's soccer share facilities with the football teams. Indoor full size fields, weight rooms, full time dedicated trainers, academic advisors, academic study facilities (mandatory if grades aren't kept up), full medical help (UO may have a dentist I was told!), many, many uniforms and practice wear, several pair of shoes each year, laundry done by staff, generous food allotment money when traveling, book cost reduction and delivery, no line waiting, 2 players per hotel room when traveling with 2 queen beds, 3 full time coaches, and most often a portion of the money that 14 full scholarships dollars can offer. I sure there are other benefits I don't know. Other things like offering players both academic and athletic scholarships, when some conferences only offer one or the other.

But please, stick to your stupidity, it apparently has served you well all these years.

1. & 2 Agree. U of O has a 31 roster team with 11 incoming freshmen 2 of which are from Oregon. If you look at the stats it appears that only 4 freshman have taken the field at all and only one from Oregon. It is a lot more difficult than people realize.

3. I am with you on the coach thing. This is an area that OSU, UO and PS could all do better on.

4. NO kidding!!! The perks can be over the top as in the case of UO.

I think there are people that have this internal need to knock others down in order to validate their own situation.

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Any poster who thinks that UO, OSU or UP is goig to sit back and give their coaches unlimited years to take down a program clearly is clueless and is not in touch with soccer. Any who posts such crap obviously has no connection to D1 soccer. And since you bring up Tara, there was a very good reason she lasted one year longer than she should have. But since you are in touch with rec soccer, you wouldn't know this. Please stop posting as you are making yourself look completely out of touch and very stupid.

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??? Argument for the sake of argument?

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Any poster who thinks that UO, OSU or UP is goig to sit back and give their coaches unlimited years to take down a program clearly is clueless and is not in touch with soccer. Any who posts such crap obviously has no connection to D1 soccer. And since you bring up Tara, there was a very good reason she lasted one year longer than she should have. But since you are in touch with rec soccer, you wouldn't know this. Please stop posting as you are making yourself look completely out of touch and very stupid.

Sorry Tara it must be a sore point.

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Ding ding ding!

I know this poster
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You are one of those people who probably feel better about your little Sally not being PAC 12 or U of P college material by devaluing the accomplishments of other Oregon players who have made it to these schools. I think any player receiving offers from any of the aforementioned schools do have something to brag about. Additionally abysmal is an extreme word and does not apply. These colleges have all beat teams that consistently make it into the playoffs from other leagues. The PAC 12 is a hard road even for a good team. Of the 320 schools offering D1 Women's soccer programs these would all be in the top 33% . I would put abysmal at the lowest 10% due to the extreme nature of the word.

Fair enough. I will say that the state of soccer, at the D1 level both recently and currently, has be less then exemplary.

No, I have a dd that is about to get tangled up in this world in the next few years. Considering OR teams have not done well historically out of state questions why these schools would take any girls from Oregon. Particularly from Medford or any outlier. Are they able to pad their stats since everyone around looks that much worse? Oregon is in serious need of taking youth soccer to the next level. Yes, that mean encouraging and supporting ODP/RTC. Yes supporting ECNL and even supporting the one age group of the Thorns. It means supporting teams when they travel out of state, etc. Not squabble of the scraps on the floor after the league split.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMoAhjA9dCE

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Fair enough. I will say that the state of soccer, at the D1 level both recently and currently, has be less then exemplary.

No, I have a dd that is about to get tangled up in this world in the next few years. Considering OR teams have not done well historically out of state questions why these schools would take any girls from Oregon. Particularly from Medford or any outlier. Are they able to pad their stats since everyone around looks that much worse? Oregon is in serious need of taking youth soccer to the next level. Yes, that mean encouraging and supporting ODP/RTC. Yes supporting ECNL and even supporting the one age group of the Thorns. It means supporting teams when they travel out of state, etc. Not squabble of the scraps on the floor after the league split.

Then we will agree to disagree.

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Fair enough. I will say that the state of soccer, at the D1 level both recently and currently, has be less then exemplary.

No, I have a dd that is about to get tangled up in this world in the next few years. Considering OR teams have not done well historically out of state questions why these schools would take any girls from Oregon. Particularly from Medford or any outlier. Are they able to pad their stats since everyone around looks that much worse? Oregon is in serious need of taking youth soccer to the next level. Yes, that mean encouraging and supporting ODP/RTC. Yes supporting ECNL and even supporting the one age group of the Thorns. It means supporting teams when they travel out of state, etc. Not squabble of the scraps on the floor after the league split.

It sounds like you have a rude awakening if you are about to "get tangled up in this world" and believe that your DD will find a 'exemplary' soccer college to land at. At best it is a crap shoot. If you change your attitude a little and look for good rather than bad then you might enjoy the experience. Otherwise, you are in for a miserable ride.

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Fair enough. I will say that the state of soccer, at the D1 level both recently and currently, has be less then exemplary.

No, I have a dd that is about to get tangled up in this world in the next few years. Considering OR teams have not done well historically out of state questions why these schools would take any girls from Oregon. Particularly from Medford or any outlier. Are they able to pad their stats since everyone around looks that much worse? Oregon is in serious need of taking youth soccer to the next level. Yes, that mean encouraging and supporting ODP/RTC. Yes supporting ECNL and even supporting the one age group of the Thorns. It means supporting teams when they travel out of state, etc. Not squabble of the scraps on the floor after the league split.

So would you recommend all scouting be based on where you are from.

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It sounds like you have a rude awakening if you are about to "get tangled up in this world" and believe that your DD will find a 'exemplary' soccer college to land at. At best it is a crap shoot. If you change your attitude a little and look for good rather than bad then you might enjoy the experience. Otherwise, you are in for a miserable ride.

Amen brother.