High school girls- 6A top 5

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Ref should have stopped the game until he left. OSAA should step in.

The Ref could go to the OSAA site and fill out a "Hurt Feelings Report" and then this situation could be solved .

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Consider

Some high schools pay for three refs, most don't. I can't see how a reasonable job can be done by just 2 refs. The cost of a third ref is very little as compared to all the expense of putting the game on.

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High School Refs

Don't most schools charge kids a 'sports' fee now? Say $225 to play a 'fall' sport and $225 to play a 'winter' sport--etc?

Let's say a good sized 6A school (any of the Beaverton high schools) have a Varsity team and carry 20-22 girls. If you take 22 times $225---you get $4500.

If they also carry a JV team, with the same number--you get $4500.

If they carry a JV2 team---same--you get $4500.

Finally, some of the PDX metro area high schools even carry down to a pure/true freshman team=---same math, you get $4500.

That's just in fees collected, to play that sport, for the fall. So, $4500 times say at least 3 teams: $13,500

I get the fact that you have to use some of these fees to pay for fields, to pay for extra/over time for school staff/janitorial staff, other misc fees. You have to pay for insurance/liability costs, etc.

Even if a high school is playing say 14-16 soccer games, in the fall, times 3 refs, at $60/game---times three teams---you are only talking about $2500-$3000 for the refs (to have at least 3 refs per game). If you cannot afford 3 refs, at least for the varsity games, then charge the kids $250 for each season.....you could then afford to have that extra ref.

I have been to a couple of games this fall, with top teams playing, and have only seen 2 refs on the field. It's not fair to the girls. The schools and or the parents should be able to afford to have at least 3 refs for ALL varsity matches.

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Don't most schools charge kids a 'sports' fee now? Say $225 to play a 'fall' sport and $225 to play a 'winter' sport--etc?

Let's say a good sized 6A school (any of the Beaverton high schools) have a Varsity team and carry 20-22 girls. If you take 22 times $225---you get $4500.

If they also carry a JV team, with the same number--you get $4500.

If they carry a JV2 team---same--you get $4500.

Finally, some of the PDX metro area high schools even carry down to a pure/true freshman team=---same math, you get $4500.

That's just in fees collected, to play that sport, for the fall. So, $4500 times say at least 3 teams: $13,500

I get the fact that you have to use some of these fees to pay for fields, to pay for extra/over time for school staff/janitorial staff, other misc fees. You have to pay for insurance/liability costs, etc.

Even if a high school is playing say 14-16 soccer games, in the fall, times 3 refs, at $60/game---times three teams---you are only talking about $2500-$3000 for the refs (to have at least 3 refs per game). If you cannot afford 3 refs, at least for the varsity games, then charge the kids $250 for each season.....you could then afford to have that extra ref.

I have been to a couple of games this fall, with top teams playing, and have only seen 2 refs on the field. It's not fair to the girls. The schools and or the parents should be able to afford to have at least 3 refs for ALL varsity matches.

Add to those fees collected : fundraisers, tickets and concessions.

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Don't most schools charge kids a 'sports' fee now? Say $225 to play a 'fall' sport and $225 to play a 'winter' sport--etc?

Let's say a good sized 6A school (any of the Beaverton high schools) have a Varsity team and carry 20-22 girls. If you take 22 times $225---you get $4500.

If they also carry a JV team, with the same number--you get $4500.

If they carry a JV2 team---same--you get $4500.

Finally, some of the PDX metro area high schools even carry down to a pure/true freshman team=---same math, you get $4500.

That's just in fees collected, to play that sport, for the fall. So, $4500 times say at least 3 teams: $13,500

I get the fact that you have to use some of these fees to pay for fields, to pay for extra/over time for school staff/janitorial staff, other misc fees. You have to pay for insurance/liability costs, etc.

Even if a high school is playing say 14-16 soccer games, in the fall, times 3 refs, at $60/game---times three teams---you are only talking about $2500-$3000 for the refs (to have at least 3 refs per game). If you cannot afford 3 refs, at least for the varsity games, then charge the kids $250 for each season.....you could then afford to have that extra ref.

I have been to a couple of games this fall, with top teams playing, and have only seen 2 refs on the field. It's not fair to the girls. The schools and or the parents should be able to afford to have at least 3 refs for ALL varsity matches.

You failed to mention coach salaries. Varsity teams have a head coach and an asst coach. That probbaly eats up a majority of those collected fees. Most coaches aren't teachers at the school either.

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Costs

Don't most schools charge kids a 'sports' fee now? Say $225 to play a 'fall' sport and $225 to play a 'winter' sport--etc?

Let's say a good sized 6A school (any of the Beaverton high schools) have a Varsity team and carry 20-22 girls. If you take 22 times $225---you get $4500.

If they also carry a JV team, with the same number--you get $4500.

If they carry a JV2 team---same--you get $4500.

Finally, some of the PDX metro area high schools even carry down to a pure/true freshman team=---same math, you get $4500.

That's just in fees collected, to play that sport, for the fall. So, $4500 times say at least 3 teams: $13,500

I get the fact that you have to use some of these fees to pay for fields, to pay for extra/over time for school staff/janitorial staff, other misc fees. You have to pay for insurance/liability costs, etc.

Even if a high school is playing say 14-16 soccer games, in the fall, times 3 refs, at $60/game---times three teams---you are only talking about $2500-$3000 for the refs (to have at least 3 refs per game). If you cannot afford 3 refs, at least for the varsity games, then charge the kids $250 for each season.....you could then afford to have that extra ref.

I have been to a couple of games this fall, with top teams playing, and have only seen 2 refs on the field. It's not fair to the girls. The schools and or the parents should be able to afford to have at least 3 refs for ALL varsity matches.

The $60 per game cost, did you mean that entire crew of 3 refs split $60? If so, that's too low. More like $75 - $100. But not $60 per ref. Next, a school only provides refs on their home games. Thus, $75 x 8 (the other 8 away) = $600. As has been mentioned, coach salaries.

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I just wish they knew the rules

In five games this season I have see Center Refs not know the rules twice which affected the out come both times.

DC how much they get paid but knowing the rules should be a prerequisite for a 6A varsity match!

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I have seen refs that can hardly run

I agree---the quality of the officiating of 6A soccer in Oregon leaves a LOT to be desired. I have attended 5 matches in the last 2 weeks. 4 out of the 5 had refs that SHOULD NOT be reffing high school soccer, at least at the 6A level. Two of them were so out of shape/heavy that they basically patrolled the mid field. One made a call where he was at least 45-50 yards away. No way he could actually see what was going on.

It's sad that girls, playing at the highest level, have to be subjected to refs that probably should be reffing U-11 rec soccer. One guy I saw at a match on Monday was just so out of place most of the time that he missed 3-4 BLATANT fouls that could have been called 'yellow cards' in most other games but he just was not in position to see the play.

I guess it's the case of 'you get what you pay for' or 'lowest common denominator' soccer reffing.

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Tigard loses 5-0. Tigard has injuries I get it But the keeper just a few years back gave up 48 goals in premier league 12 game schedule. That gives me a clue that Tigard is done for the next 3 years. Glad my kid goes to another school !!!!

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I agree---the quality of the officiating of 6A soccer in Oregon leaves a LOT to be desired. I have attended 5 matches in the last 2 weeks. 4 out of the 5 had refs that SHOULD NOT be reffing high school soccer, at least at the 6A level. Two of them were so out of shape/heavy that they basically patrolled the mid field. One made a call where he was at least 45-50 yards away. No way he could actually see what was going on.

It's sad that girls, playing at the highest level, have to be subjected to refs that probably should be reffing U-11 rec soccer. One guy I saw at a match on Monday was just so out of place most of the time that he missed 3-4 BLATANT fouls that could have been called 'yellow cards' in most other games but he just was not in position to see the play.

I guess it's the case of 'you get what you pay for' or 'lowest common denominator' soccer reffing.

He must be from either California or the East Coast because there is a poster on here that believes this is how the game should be called, that too many calls are made here...

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Tigard loses 5-0. Tigard has injuries I get it But the keeper just a few years back gave up 48 goals in premier league 12 game schedule. That gives me a clue that Tigard is done for the next 3 years. Glad my kid goes to another school !!!!

I am sure the parents at Tigard are also happy your kid goes to another school because you sound like a real tool

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I agree---the quality of the officiating of 6A soccer in Oregon leaves a LOT to be desired. I have attended 5 matches in the last 2 weeks. 4 out of the 5 had refs that SHOULD NOT be reffing high school soccer, at least at the 6A level. Two of them were so out of shape/heavy that they basically patrolled the mid field. One made a call where he was at least 45-50 yards away. No way he could actually see what was going on.

It's sad that girls, playing at the highest level, have to be subjected to refs that probably should be reffing U-11 rec soccer. One guy I saw at a match on Monday was just so out of place most of the time that he missed 3-4 BLATANT fouls that could have been called 'yellow cards' in most other games but he just was not in position to see the play.

I guess it's the case of 'you get what you pay for' or 'lowest common denominator' soccer reffing.

I agree that the reffing is bad. I find it difficult to swallow your inflated sense of entitlement as compared to other schools in the state. "At least at the 6A level", so is 6A Oregon Soccer BIG TIME now? Did you pay attention at those 5 games? The level of play is awful. There are 5A teams in Oregon that could compete with 6A.

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Uh yeah---paid very close attention

I agree that the reffing is bad. I find it difficult to swallow your inflated sense of entitlement as compared to other schools in the state. "At least at the 6A level", so is 6A Oregon Soccer BIG TIME now? Did you pay attention at those 5 games? The level of play is awful. There are 5A teams in Oregon that could compete with 6A.

I have seen Tualatin play (they have NOT lost a step from last fall)--I have seen Sunset play three times, I have seen Westview play, Jesuit and Grant---all of those teams are good/solid/quality teams.

I am sure a couple 5A teams could compete but there is a reason that the schools are divided into different sizes and classifications---it's called student body population size.
Yes--maybe a few teams can or could compete but most would NOT. So yes---to answer your question, I am thinking 6A soccer is the top, both metaphorically and in reality.

Sure, there are some lousy 6A just as there are some lousy 5A teams too....and conversely---some good 6A teams and some good 5A teams. I would say that 60-70% of the time, the 6A teams will be able to beat or at least tie the better 5A teams but we only get to see a little bit of that action in the early pre-season, huh??

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I have seen Tualatin play (they have NOT lost a step from last fall)--I have seen Sunset play three times, I have seen Westview play, Jesuit and Grant---all of those teams are good/solid/quality teams.

I am sure a couple 5A teams could compete but there is a reason that the schools are divided into different sizes and classifications---it's called student body population size.
Yes--maybe a few teams can or could compete but most would NOT. So yes---to answer your question, I am thinking 6A soccer is the top, both metaphorically and in reality.

Sure, there are some lousy 6A just as there are some lousy 5A teams too....and conversely---some good 6A teams and some good 5A teams. I would say that 60-70% of the time, the 6A teams will be able to beat or at least tie the better 5A teams but we only get to see a little bit of that action in the early pre-season, huh??

There is a good chance that Summit could beat or at least tie most. Jesuit is an outlier as they do not hold geographical boundaries. I have seen all of these teams play too and I would rather watch good club soccer. I think what happens is that little Suzie gets on her high school team and stands out for the first time and all the sudden Mamma and Papa Bear think this is the best soccer ever and that little Suzie finally made the big time.

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I agree that the reffing is bad. I find it difficult to swallow your inflated sense of entitlement as compared to other schools in the state. "At least at the 6A level", so is 6A Oregon Soccer BIG TIME now? Did you pay attention at those 5 games? The level of play is awful. There are 5A teams in Oregon that could compete with 6A.

Not the OP but a wouldn't call 6a "awful" It's good soccer, on the whole, club soccer is still better. But I've seen some quality 6a games and every one of those teams have at least two top players from club teams on the roster and a bunch of average to good club players, so to say HS 6A is awful is a stretch.