OYSA teams moving back to OPL

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Grass fields on the boys side

U13 girls at our club played every game last Fall and this Spring on turf except for our 1 game in Bend and 2 games in Vancouver. Every other game was played on a nice turf field.

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U13 girls at our club played every game last Fall and this Spring on turf except for our 1 game in Bend and 2 games in Vancouver. Every other game was played on a nice turf field.

2 games even rained out. Probably going back to OPL. Not impressed with grass fields in Gresham, Vancouver, Parkrose or Woodburn.

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Oregon's website for business listings..next you'll have us look up Cover Oregon and how great it is...

Guidestar has all of the non-profit 990 tax returns on them.

Oregon Premier League is not listed on this site, nor have they been since they started A BUSINESS a few years ago.

OYSA yes, LOSC yes, FC Portland yes, SSC yes, Westside TImbers yes, PCU yes, Bridlemile yes, THUSC yes, WUSC yes, Eastside yes..every non profit 501c3 soccer club in Oregonis listed. Sadly, the Oregon Premier League is not a 501c3 Soccer org./club.

That is a fact.

You don't file a 990 unless you are a tax-exempt non-profit. OPC is a mutual benefit corporation. Also non-profit but not tax-exempt.

Here's a description of the difference...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual-...it_corporation

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The problem is internet morons who think they know what's what. They hear some half educated soccer coach going on and on with their sudden opinion about how the OPL is bad for this and that reason while accepting the Timbers corruption.

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It is a fact

THE OPL IS NOT A 501C3 NON PROFIT ORG.

Deal with it.

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The "8 guys" don't make money off the OPL. Neither have the manner clubs. This has been proven many times on this site.

It has been claimed many times on this site that the 8 don't make money off OPL, that is far different from proof. Just because you say something over and over does not make it true.

So lets look at the two common claims to see what seems more reasonable:
A) 8 coaches leave OYSA and form OPL, deliberately choosing to form as a mutual benefit non profit, rather than a public benefit non profit. Principal difference is a MB non profit is not required to file public financials, cannot provide tax deductions for contributions, and is able to limit membership. The structure is set so benefit only is provided to "members"

B) OPL is formed out of the kindness of the 8 original members, it is set up to accrue profits, yet has not figured out how to distribute these profits, clear agreements cover the breakup and disposition of OPL, but nothing addresses how profit should be passed to members.

Either A the structure conceals any activity so action can be taken without knowledge of others, or B the OPL members created a structure that they don't know how to do basic functions.

Neither one is very flattering, one they look like liars, the other they look like bumbling idiots...so which one?

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Read the by laws and educate yourself.

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Read the by laws and educate yourself.

I have...I also appreciate how the OPL sems to enjoy revisionist history. Most of the time you will respect your history and show change/evolution, but every time there is a hiccup about allowing teams to participate, or accumulating profit, or membership changes, all old history goes away. It makes me suspicious when I look at OPL's website, and in their history they state

"To that end, the OPC founded the Oregon Premier League (OPL) in the Fall of 2008 as a competitive youth soccer league operating in Oregon. The OPL is governed by the Oregon Premier Council, which consists of representative coaches from FC Portland Academy, Lake Oswego SC, Oregon Soccer Academy, Southside SC, and Tualatin Hills United SC: when the OPC began meeting in 2006, more clubs were involved, attended, and participated in the process of developing the direction of the council and, subsequently the OPL, and thus were the charter members of the Oregon Premier Council."

So this is the beginning of OPL, if memory serves me correctly there were a few other clubs involved, namely Westside, and Eastside.

If they so casually change their "history" why would I trust any other document posted on their website?

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I have...I also appreciate how the OPL sems to enjoy revisionist history. Most of the time you will respect your history and show change/evolution, but every time there is a hiccup about allowing teams to participate, or accumulating profit, or membership changes, all old history goes away. It makes me suspicious when I look at OPL's website, and in their history they state

"To that end, the OPC founded the Oregon Premier League (OPL) in the Fall of 2008 as a competitive youth soccer league operating in Oregon. The OPL is governed by the Oregon Premier Council, which consists of representative coaches from FC Portland Academy, Lake Oswego SC, Oregon Soccer Academy, Southside SC, and Tualatin Hills United SC: when the OPC began meeting in 2006, more clubs were involved, attended, and participated in the process of developing the direction of the council and, subsequently the OPL, and thus were the charter members of the Oregon Premier Council."

So this is the beginning of OPL, if memory serves me correctly there were a few other clubs involved, namely Westside, and Eastside.

If they so casually change their "history" why would I trust any other document posted on their website?

That looks accurate to me. Did you struggle with the part about "more clubs were involved, attended, and participated..."? Too many syllables? Should they use smaller words for you?

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I have...I also appreciate how the OPL sems to enjoy revisionist history. Most of the time you will respect your history and show change/evolution, but every time there is a hiccup about allowing teams to participate, or accumulating profit, or membership changes, all old history goes away. It makes me suspicious when I look at OPL's website, and in their history they state

"To that end, the OPC founded the Oregon Premier League (OPL) in the Fall of 2008 as a competitive youth soccer league operating in Oregon. The OPL is governed by the Oregon Premier Council, which consists of representative coaches from FC Portland Academy, Lake Oswego SC, Oregon Soccer Academy, Southside SC, and Tualatin Hills United SC: when the OPC began meeting in 2006, more clubs were involved, attended, and participated in the process of developing the direction of the council and, subsequently the OPL, and thus were the charter members of the Oregon Premier Council."

So this is the beginning of OPL, if memory serves me correctly there were a few other clubs involved, namely Westside, and Eastside.

If they so casually change their "history" why would I trust any other document posted on their website?

It is not uncommon for bylaws to be updated. You must not have a working understanding of how non profits work.

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It is not uncommon for bylaws to be updated. You must not have a working understanding of how non profits work.

No problem on by-laws being updated, no problem on revisions to history either, but it is common when you revise a document like bylaws you indicated revised on... Or something of the sort...it is also common to have a version history...the problem with the sloppy way OPL does it, is you get into substantial discussions about where profits go in the case of dissolution, and anyone checking the bylaws posted would find the nice discussion about all assets going to named non-profits, the thing that would be clear is that "bylaw" was put in place two to three years after the original bylaws were published, and it was done because folks were asking questions. OPL made the change, deleted their old history, and then claimed it had "always been there"

It would inspire a lot more trust in me if they responded " we havnt documented that yet, we will do so because it is important... Instead of trying to pretend it was already there.

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That looks accurate to me. Did you struggle with the part about "more clubs were involved, attended, and participated..."? Too many syllables? Should they use smaller words for you?

You must be a newbie...I won't go too hard on you since you are still in your training pants...Before there was the departure of clubs back to OYSA the same history document identified Eastside and Westside as primary clubs, that was how John Bain ended up as president etc...

My issue is founding history does not change...to go back and turn some of your primary founders into "others who were involved" is not honest. I also am not sure what OPL thinks they gain from it.

The only thing it does is then put the accuracy of any other document they publish up for question.

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I have...I also appreciate how the OPL sems to enjoy revisionist history. Most of the time you will respect your history and show change/evolution, but every time there is a hiccup about allowing teams to participate, or accumulating profit, or membership changes, all old history goes away. It makes me suspicious when I look at OPL's website, and in their history they state

"To that end, the OPC founded the Oregon Premier League (OPL) in the Fall of 2008 as a competitive youth soccer league operating in Oregon. The OPL is governed by the Oregon Premier Council, which consists of representative coaches from FC Portland Academy, Lake Oswego SC, Oregon Soccer Academy, Southside SC, and Tualatin Hills United SC: when the OPC began meeting in 2006, more clubs were involved, attended, and participated in the process of developing the direction of the council and, subsequently the OPL, and thus were the charter members of the Oregon Premier Council."

So this is the beginning of OPL, if memory serves me correctly there were a few other clubs involved, namely Westside, and Eastside.

If they so casually change their "history" why would I trust any other document posted on their website?

From a strict grammar perspective that is one of the worst paragraphs I have seen put together...first sentence "in fall of 2008". Second sentence "is currently governed" . Third sentence "when began meeting in 2006". Perhaps you didn't learn this in elementary school, but it is advised to stay in one time frame throughout a paragraph, if that is impossible it is best to choose an orderly progression, not jump back and forth...

Embarrassing. They should be able to do better than that.