Valid Players on the Pitch

[Marbull]

Is it the same when a coach knowingly uses a player that is of the correct age, but it ineligible to participate, but does it anyways ?

Another example a few years ago when a player received a red card in the semi-final game at state cup and was supposed to "sit out" the next game, but the coach played him anyways in the final game.

The opposing coach knew that player was ineligible, but waited to see who prevailed. When his team lost, he pulled out his trump card and notified the ref's that the player wasn't supposed to play. Filed a grievance with the refs who forwarded it to OYSA. Both the coach and player were further penalized into the next season.

In both examples, adults knew better. Neither is right.

[Unregistered]

Is it the same when a coach knowingly uses a player that is of the correct age, but it ineligible to participate, but does it anyways ?

Another example a few years ago when a player received a red card in the semi-final game at state cup and was supposed to "sit out" the next game, but the coach played him anyways in the final game.

The opposing coach knew that player was ineligible, but waited to see who prevailed. When his team lost, he pulled out his trump card and notified the ref's that the player wasn't supposed to play. Filed a grievance with the refs who forwarded it to OYSA. Both the coach and player were further penalized into the next season.

In both examples, adults knew better. Neither is right.

Wasn't there more to this story. I recall hearing that after the semi-final the ref didn't take the player's card, the coach contacted OYSA and was incorrectly told the player was eligible, I believe someone at OYSA even lost their job over this...this may be a better expletive for why Red Cards should be posted publicly, because in the current context what it tells me is there are so many opportunities for things to get mixed up that coordinating a cheating fraud would be unlikely.

[Unregistered]

We can all pretend that this does not happen more often in the Hispanic community. There is a Hispanic youth soccer league in Hillsboro-Forest Grove-Cornelius. The use of illegally using older players is a common problem. You can contact any of the coaches and they will tell you this is a big problem and is very common. Main difference is that it is a tighter community. People know each other so the players are often caught.

What levels of registration/checking do they have in this league? I personally think the protections OYSA/OPL and any decent tournament (which generally require USYS or USCS player cards) are fine. It would be very difficult to have older players participate on younger teams without some fraud at the registration level (the person issuing the cards). If this league and others like it don't have player cards, then it seems it would be easier to cheat. However, what's the end result, i.e. ultimately for any program of consequence (academy, ODP, ID2, national team), cards and proof will be required.

[Marbull]

Wasn't there more to this story. I recall hearing that after the semi-final the ref didn't take the player's card, the coach contacted OYSA and was incorrectly told the player was eligible, I believe someone at OYSA even lost their job over this...this may be a better expletive for why Red Cards should be posted publicly, because in the current context what it tells me is there are so many opportunities for things to get mixed up that coordinating a cheating fraud would be unlikely.

I do remember some of that now. However, the adults involved in both of my examples knew that these players would/should have been exempt from playing, but did it anyways to win.

Even with the best practices and policies, unless someone follows them to a tee and/or we start tatooing bar codes on each player or taking dna samples the first time they register, there will always be some sort of "slip thru the cracks" situations.

I think that the systems we have in place are fine for youth (non-professional) sports. This is not the world cup, there are no HUGE payouts for the winners and nobody is going to be crowned prince of the pitch afterwards.

[Unregistered]

So to put a fine tip on it, the difference that makes it racist is when you talk about a Hispanic league (making specific observations about an identifiable group) or when, as most if the posts do above, you speak about Hispanic culture in general. Comments like some cultures tolerate cheating or they do this, they do that etc are claiming there is a difference between these two cultures , and would be like saying white people aren't as good at soccer. Stupid comment, wrong in many situations, but can be proven by general observations.

I happen to disagree that age cheating is a huge issue, I think there are systems in place, that while most lax at summer tournaments, than league, become strict when you get to anything meaningful. I think most of the time when these complaints come up, it is from an upset parent of a losing team, and must be taken with a grain of salt.

I would never anonymously accuse people of BEING racists, I do think it invalidates our discussion if that is what we base our arguments on.

El Tri, FC Santos, Leones, HSC, etc... give those clubs a call and ask them if this an issue and if it happens very often. It might make you feel better if a Hispanic person told you that is an issue.

[Unregistered]

Wasn't there more to this story. I recall hearing that after the semi-final the ref didn't take the player's card, the coach contacted OYSA and was incorrectly told the player was eligible, I believe someone at OYSA even lost their job over this...this may be a better expletive for why Red Cards should be posted publicly, because in the current context what it tells me is there are so many opportunities for things to get mixed up that coordinating a cheating fraud would be unlikely.

Yes it was complicated, and the coach knew it was going to be controversial from what I heard. Probably not the best example of what we are talking about now. In organized sports there are going to be rules and most will follow, some won't and someone has to enforce. In high school OSAA has many rules and issues as well.

[Unregistered]

It is unfortunate that lately (last few years), those that have been caught at the "fake age" thing have been Hispanic. Doesn't mean they're all bad. There are just as many "white folk" that would probably pull the same thing if given the opportunity.

The problem as I see it is this. If my lil suzie or fred was benched by a guest player that I knew or suspected was older then allowed, Id scream bloody murder even if we just won the Dallas Cup. This typically isnt the case in other nationalities.

I remember a couple of years ago the situation where the registrar of a club registered a player at OYSA using the players name hyphenated, altered birth year and a varied home address. Enough that that Affinity system didn't catch it and was issued a player card. That player wasn't playing down, but rather UP. Both teams did very well, but the older team was penalized for the use of the incorrect player data. The player was registered at both US Club (correctly) and USYSA (incorrectly) and played in both state cups.

Can an entire team (using slightly different team name) play in both OYSA and OPL leagues at the same time? I'm pretty sure that's happening with U12 boys.

[Marbull]

Can an entire team (using slightly different team name) play in both OYSA and OPL leagues at the same time? I'm pretty sure that's happening with U12 boys.

you dont even need that. both can register and play in both leagues. if you can get the game schedulers to work with ya.

[Unregistered]

Can an entire team (using slightly different team name) play in both OYSA and OPL leagues at the same time? I'm pretty sure that's happening with U12 boys.

You would have to pay for both US Club, and US Youth player cards, and you would have to figure out how to balance the two schedules (probably won't get a lot of help from leagues, because of too much cross scheduling. Otherwise there is nothing about this idea that violates any rules

[Unregistered]

You would have to pay for both US Club, and US Youth player cards, and you would have to figure out how to balance the two schedules (probably won't get a lot of help from leagues, because of too much cross scheduling. Otherwise there is nothing about this idea that violates any rules

And there's also nothing stopping an individual player from playing on an OPL team for Club A and an OYSA team for Club B. US Youth Soccer and US Club Soccer don't cross-check to ensure that players are registered with only 1 club.

[Unregistered]

So could you have a player play for OYSA on Club Xyz and also have this player play for a completely different club say Club ABC but in the OPL? Because if so,that would be chopped nuts!

[Unregistered]

So could you have a player play for OYSA on Club Xyz and also have this player play for a completely different club say Club ABC but in the OPL? Because if so,that would be chopped nuts!

Practices would be interesting.

[Unregistered]

So this one time, at band camp

[Marbull]

And there's also nothing stopping an individual player from playing on an OPL team for Club A and an OYSA team for Club B. US Youth Soccer and US Club Soccer don't cross-check to ensure that players are registered with only 1 club.

Even if they did, there is NO rule against it. In fact its strictly prohibited from forbidding a player to play at any USSF affiliation.

[Unregistered]

So could you have a player play for OYSA on Club Xyz and also have this player play for a completely different club say Club ABC but in the OPL? Because if so,that would be chopped nuts!

There are no rules prohibiting it, but depending on where you are playing I would think a parents pocketbook would prevent you from paying two clubs competitive registration fees etc…Plus what is gained by this? Why would anyone even try…If there is a elite team going to a special tournament you can guest play, but to actually register at two different clubs makes no sense.