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Wow, someone is not reading the post.

If you think ODP is expensive, then the ECNL is way out of your league.

What do they say. If you have to ask, you can't afford.

LOL at this mess.

Club fees plus ODP plus travel for a few tournaments and the total cost evens out and you get better experience and exposure through the ECNL. It's not hard to understand if you're not desperately trying to argue against the benefits of an ECNL program.

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Club fees plus ODP plus travel for a few tournaments and the total cost evens out and you get better experience and exposure through the ECNL. It's not hard to understand if you're not desperately trying to argue against the benefits of an ECNL program.

Completely false. I did not spend anywhere near $8,000 (that's the number everyone keeps quoting for ECNL) for the things you mentioned. And that's with club fees, Club summer tourneys, year long ODP training, Regional Camp, Regional Championships, Friendship Cup, even holdover camp. Comes to about half or just a little over half. Please do mislead people.

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If playing on a "low level" ECNL team is a "negative" as you say then I wonder what those same coaches would say about playing on a low to average club level team like everything around here? Your argument doesn't bode well for Oregon Club players now does it?

You must not pay much attention to soccer around here. While there are a number of average teams around here, but not all of them are average. There are some good teams who do well out of state. There aren't a lot, but saying that all of the local teams are low to average means you don't know the teams very well.

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Completely false. I did not spend anywhere near $8,000 (that's the number everyone keeps quoting for ECNL) for the things you mentioned. And that's with club fees, Club summer tourneys, year long ODP training, Regional Camp, Regional Championships, Friendship Cup, even holdover camp. Comes to about half or just a little over half. Please do mislead people.

1,300 + 1,400 = 2,700 without any travel our out of state tournaments.

8,000 is a made up number. This is a Cony WST scare tactic.

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Club fees plus ODP plus travel for a few tournaments and the total cost evens out and you get better experience and exposure through the ECNL. It's not hard to understand if you're not desperately trying to argue against the benefits of an ECNL program.

This is what is so misunderstood... I don't think anyone is trying to "argue against the benefits of ECNL". It is just there is such a hard sales job going on by what I suspect is a few people about how ECNL will save the world, and folks are pushing back with the voice of reason. Whati have heard are two negatives: cost, and the fact it doesn't exist in Oregon.

When the cheerleaders starting hollering about it is the only way Oregon will ever succeed, it invites people to find the issues. I also think it is interesting that there now seems to be some acknowledgement that the experience and exposure come rom playing the best ECNL teams, if you are lower half a lot of the value is diminished.

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If playing on a "low level" ECNL team is a "negative" as you say then I wonder what those same coaches would say about playing on a low to average club level team like everything around here? Your argument doesn't bode well for Oregon Club players now does it?

The one thing that is being missed here is that coaches recruit PLAYERS not teams. If your player is truly college caliber she will be recognized as long as she is putting herself out there, contacting schools/coaches, drumming up interest and attending events that the college coaches of her preferred schools are attending. 99% of players have to work hard to get seen by their preferred schools. It rarely just "happens", maybe for those top 1%'ers.

Beyond being a highly competitive league the ECNL is a great platform for girls to get seen by more coaches then your run of the mill "showcase" tournament. Is it the only way? No
It's the hotspot at this point in time. Will it change? Probably- everything always does.

Using your Nova example. If Nova is at a ECNL event and a player has contacted their top 10 schools and 9 out of 10 are there. Nova is playing So CA Blues / Pleasanton Rage / Colorado Rush etc. There is a very good chance those 9 out of 10 coaches are going to be watching that game with a stack of players résumés for those other teams and the Nova player(s) as well. They're already at the event and they're already interested in the game/players. They're there to look at players not teams ... key is they are there.
Contrast that to an average club team who is at an average showcase event where maybe none or only a hand full of the coaches from the preferred schools are in attendance. The Player still may get a look but the chances they don't are far greater. Are the coaches even there? Are they interested in players on the other team which will increase the chance they make time for that game etc. Certainly not impossible but the odds are certainly less.

The ECNL is not a panacea. It's a great competitive league that has figured out how to create an environment that meets college coaches recruiting needs better then anyone else at the moment. And yes it cost $$$. Some can pay - some can't.

Playing at Surf and Las Vegas gives you equivilent exposure. NWCL and FWRL also provides exposure. Yes ECNL gives you the opportunity for good exposure, but playing on a bad ECNL team is a negative. It does nothing for either team and coaches don't like it when one team completely overmatches another team. This is true for ECNL teams as well as non-ECNL teams. Nova gets overmatched a lot which means their players don't show well and the teams playing Nova waste an opportunity with coaches watching. College coaches want well matched games.

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Playing at Surf and Las Vegas gives you equivilent exposure. NWCL and FWRL also provides exposure. Yes ECNL gives you the opportunity for good exposure, but playing on a bad ECNL team is a negative. It does nothing for either team and coaches don't like it when one team completely overmatches another team. This is true for ECNL teams as well as non-ECNL teams. Nova gets overmatched a lot which means their players don't show well and the teams playing Nova waste an opportunity with coaches watching. College coaches want well matched games.

Playing is surf super group gives you exposure. How many teams from Oregon play in that? I can think of two from THUSC. Playing in Vegas gives you exposure but it is not equivalent exposure. Again, you need to be in the super group. How many teams from Oregon compete in that? I know THUS. does.

Nova was a bad pick by the ECNL. It is as simple as that. Not all clubs deserve to be in the ECNL. With anything, you have winners and losers. All clubs and players get good visibility because the ECNL schedules so that happens. People who do not understand the ECNL mis this point.

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Playing is surf super group gives you exposure. How many teams from Oregon play in that? I can think of two from THUSC. Playing in Vegas gives you exposure but it is not equivalent exposure. Again, you need to be in the super group. How many teams from Oregon compete in that? I know THUS. does.

Nova was a bad pick by the ECNL. It is as simple as that. Not all clubs deserve to be in the ECNL. With anything, you have winners and losers. All clubs and players get good visibility because the ECNL schedules so that happens. People who do not understand the ECNL mis this point.

To answer your questions: Copa U16 was in Super Group at Surf. Las Vegas doesn't have a super group. Their groupings are very random. However, 35 coaches at each game seems to be good exposure to me.

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Completely false. I did not spend anywhere near $8,000 (that's the number everyone keeps quoting for ECNL) for the things you mentioned. And that's with club fees, Club summer tourneys, year long ODP training, Regional Camp, Regional Championships, Friendship Cup, even holdover camp. Comes to about half or just a little over half. Please do mislead people.

The people who are quoting $8,000 as the cost of ECNL are doing that to mislead people. Crossfire quotes an all in cost for it's ECNL program of $4,900. WPFC does not have an all in cost but their club fee is $2,200,and then each team charges a team fee on top of that to cover travel. Average fee for a travel weekend is $600. The are only 3 weekends of travel required for ECNL league play, so that brings the cost to $4,000 to cover club fees and ECNL league play. Say another $2,000 to cover ECNL national events and other tournaments and you get to $6,000. Subtract from this approximately $600 the club rebates from club fundraising activities, and you get an all-in cost of around $5,400. Actual cost could be a few hundred more or less depending on the number of events entered, but it will be nothing close to $8,000 and much closer to Crossfire's fixed amount of $4,900.

It's time to put the $8,000 canard to bed.

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The people who are quoting $8,000 as the cost of ECNL are doing that to mislead people. Crossfire quotes an all in cost for it's ECNL program of $4,900. WPFC does not have an all in cost but their club fee is $2,200,and then each team charges a team fee on top of that to cover travel. Average fee for a travel weekend is $600. The are only 3 weekends of travel required for ECNL league play, so that brings the cost to $4,000 to cover club fees and ECNL league play. Say another $2,000 to cover ECNL national events and other tournaments and you get to $6,000. Subtract from this approximately $600 the club rebates from club fundraising activities, and you get an all-in cost of around $5,400. Actual cost could be a few hundred more or less depending on the number of events entered, but it will be nothing close to $8,000 and much closer to Crossfire's fixed amount of $4,900.

It's time to put the $8,000 canard to bed.

Sorry. I got the 8k number from someone who actually plays ECNL not someone who just likes to talk about it. But thanks anyway.

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Sorry. I got the 8k number from someone who actually plays ECNL not someone who just likes to talk about it. But thanks anyway.

You get it from Cony at WST. Stop lying.

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Sorry. I got the 8k number from someone who actually plays ECNL not someone who just likes to talk about it. But thanks anyway.

Well I admit I don't play ECNL, but I do foot the bill for my daughter, who does, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about, unlike you. Notwithstanding, anybody is capable of verifying my statement that Crossfire is projectinf their ECNL fixed price next year will be $4,900, down from this year's $5,500. Both these numbers, unlike your $8,000, are readily available on Crossfire's website.

But if you want to continue making a fool of yourself by posting bogus numbers thatare easily disproved, don't let me stop you. You obviously don't mind looking foolish.

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Well I admit I don't play ECNL, but I do foot the bill for my daughter, who does, so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about, unlike you. Notwithstanding, anybody is capable of verifying my statement that Crossfire is projectinf their ECNL fixed price next year will be $4,900, down from this year's $5,500. Both these numbers, unlike your $8,000, are readily available on Crossfire's website.

But if you want to continue making a fool of yourself by posting bogus numbers thatare easily disproved, don't let me stop you. You obviously don't mind looking foolish.

Sorry. Why should I believe you (anonymous kook) over someone I know who actually plays. Call me foolish, I could care less. Crossfire is subsidized anyway. Not all are. Surprised you don't know that for someone who claims to know so much. Give me a break.

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Sorry. Why should I believe you (anonymous kook) over someone I know who actually plays. Call me foolish, I could care less. Crossfire is subsidized anyway. Not all are. Surprised you don't know that for someone who claims to know so much. Give me a break.

Good to see the timber alliance spin machine hard at work. Hi Cony:)

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If you think an Oregon club can even come close to 4900 or 5500 that a merged crossfire and seattle united have then you are one stupid person. Seriously.

8000 is closer to the number and that is if they overload the rosters to 22-24 like crossfire who has kids just footing the bill.

You would think some of you parents would have a better understanding of this stuff before you try and get people to carpool with you.

And for the people who are talking about exposure. Ecnl gives you exposure if you can't make a good team or you can't seem to get noticed by the same coaches who also go to surf Vegas etc.