OYSA small sided soccer (U9, U10, U11, U12)

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OYSA had this plan 5 years ago and the people who are leading the PTFC and the big two Timber Alliance Clubs (East and West) PCU and all the members of the OPC left OYSA because they didn't want to comply with what is best for kids.

Are those same people now saying Chuck was right the whole time.

Small sided games and ODP are the way? WHHAATTT?

This just goes to show how GW, Eastside and Westside are just manipulating soccer. It's not for the good of the game but for the good of these clubs and individuals!

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This just goes to show how GW, Eastside and Westside are just manipulating soccer. It's not for the good of the game but for the good of these clubs and individuals!

Agree with one caveat:

These clubs (individuals) have advanced Oregon youth soccer but were motivated by greed and control

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I bet most young players would prefer to play small sided games on appropriate sized fields. Well, perhaps not the ones moved down to the lower team but... The players (& parents) would most likely enjoy winning or losing smaller sided games like 6-3 rather than like 2-0 playing 11v11...

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Agree with one caveat:

These clubs (individuals) have advanced Oregon youth soccer but were motivated by greed and control

How have they advanced soccer?

Other than the Timbers DA what has changed. The state of Oregon is in the exact same place it was 5 years ago.

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How have they advanced soccer?

Other than the Timbers DA what has changed. The state of Oregon is in the exact same place it was 5 years ago.

5 years ago did they have plans like they do now? NO
Soccer is in a different place than it was 5 years ago....more resources and connections have changed how we develop players....good things are ahead of us. I feel as though US Soccer is finally on the right path....we will have to wait and see if and how it is implemented.....the question isn't should we implement....the question is how fast can we implement it....

personally I think that the non-soccer savvy parents will struggle with the changes as they don't fit the American culture....our culture demands results NOW with very little patience.....it takes time to implement and see results....some countries are 15 years deep into this system and are only now seeing results

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This adds a little perspective to the discussion about small sided games and fields...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Lb5pDTaCg

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5 years ago did they have plans like they do now? NO
Soccer is in a different place than it was 5 years ago....more resources and connections have changed how we develop players....good things are ahead of us. I feel as though US Soccer is finally on the right path....we will have to wait and see if and how it is implemented.....the question isn't should we implement....the question is how fast can we implement it....

personally I think that the non-soccer savvy parents will struggle with the changes as they don't fit the American culture....our culture demands results NOW with very little patience.....it takes time to implement and see results....some countries are 15 years deep into this system and are only now seeing results

I am one of these "non-soccer savvy" parents. I am curious how this is going to affect kids who are u11/u12 if this is going to take several years to see the results of. Are there going to be years where this doesn't benefit the kids that are in the transition or will it be beneficial right from the very start.

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I am one of these "non-soccer savvy" parents. I am curious how this is going to affect kids who are u11/u12 if this is going to take several years to see the results of. Are there going to be years where this doesn't benefit the kids that are in the transition or will it be beneficial right from the very start.

It will immediately benefit the kids that are agressive and have good touch already. Those types of kids dominate on the smaller field at 9v9 even more than they do at 11v11 full field. Many kids that can survive playing on an A team at 11v11 find that they are actually way behind once the time and space is reduced...

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How have they advanced soccer?

Other than the Timbers DA what has changed. The state of Oregon is in the exact same place it was 5 years ago.

My player is pretty much aged out now but I can say that there are far more opportunities today than when she began playing soccer years ago. I am not saying that they are unique to Oregon but someone did have to take the initiative to implement change. Frankly, during her youth soccer career things were pretty screwed up here in Oregon with the split between leagues and ODP becoming outrageously expensive. She just wanted to play soccer at a high level.

For us the ultimate answer became traveling to Seattle to play ECNL. If the same opportunities that are available now were available to her then I can't say with any certainty that we would have chosen the same route.

I am hopeful that today Oregon is building a system that identifies higher level players and helps them to achieve their individual soccer goals. For my player it was more like she was someone's property. It would have been nice for coaches and clubs to honestly have her best interest in mind and to be able to say " we have had a catastrophic erosion of talent in your player's age group and it would likely be more beneficial for her to go to X Y Z club" or any suggestion. Instead we encountered absolute anger from the the coach, ridicule from the DOC and unbridled hatred from some parents all of whom interpreted the club change as a loyalty issue and not a doing what is best for the player issue.

I feel like in this new system there are channels set up that allow players to grow beyond one club team and to experience soccer from many different angles. Maybe I am naive but I do see more of a push towards consolidating talent in some areas. I realize this is not that well developed, however it has the potential to be very good and in a few years. Nothing happens over night as we can attest. If nothing else, we are hopeful that these are good changes for the new youth.

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5 years ago did they have plans like they do now? NO
Soccer is in a different place than it was 5 years ago....more resources and connections have changed how we develop players....good things are ahead of us. I feel as though US Soccer is finally on the right path....we will have to wait and see if and how it is implemented.....the question isn't should we implement....the question is how fast can we implement it....

personally I think that the non-soccer savvy parents will struggle with the changes as they don't fit the American culture....our culture demands results NOW with very little patience.....it takes time to implement and see results....some countries are 15 years deep into this system and are only now seeing results

This is the best response in the history of message boards.

1. Soccer is in a different place now than if was 5 years ago, more resources and connections.....OK OYSA seems to be the soccer organization of choice these days. OYSA wanted small sided soccer 5 years ago. Coaching resources are the same at the club level and ODP has seen very little change. The Timbers have put their name on everything but no real resources have be developed, promised according to the OPL but not delivered. The Timbers DA? just clubs coaches and it can be argued those teams are struggling.

2. Soccer is on the right path. This path was in place 5 years ago and it was said by those who are managing the change now it was not the right path. This what I see, it is the wrong path unless those DOC's and others are in control. Again OYSA had this in place 5 years ago.

3. NON soccer savvy parents will struggle as this doesn't fit American culture. This is maybe the best line ever. I have news for you, we are in America and we are American's. Might want to do it the American way. Oh by the way America dominates all sports our main stream culture deems of value. Soccer is certainly a second tier sport in America but even with that its National Team is better than respectable and we really don't try compared to other sports.

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I am one of these "non-soccer savvy" parents. I am curious how this is going to affect kids who are u11/u12 if this is going to take several years to see the results of. Are there going to be years where this doesn't benefit the kids that are in the transition or will it be beneficial right from the very start.

I would venture to guess that your 11 or 12 year old is 6-18 months behind the standard. Our current 5 year olds will see the benefits at 15 or 16 years old.....it's unfortunate for the ones in the middle but it is a necessary change.

watch the video posted above...pretty much sums up this discussion

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This is the best response in the history of message boards.

1. Soccer is in a different place now than if was 5 years ago, more resources and connections.....OK OYSA seems to be the soccer organization of choice these days. OYSA wanted small sided soccer 5 years ago. Coaching resources are the same at the club level and ODP has seen very little change. The Timbers have put their name on everything but no real resources have be developed, promised according to the OPL but not delivered. The Timbers DA? just clubs coaches and it can be argued those teams are struggling.

2. Soccer is on the right path. This path was in place 5 years ago and it was said by those who are managing the change now it was not the right path. This what I see, it is the wrong path unless those DOC's and others are in control. Again OYSA had this in place 5 years ago.

3. NON soccer savvy parents will struggle as this doesn't fit American culture. This is maybe the best line ever. I have news for you, we are in America and we are American's. Might want to do it the American way. Oh by the way America dominates all sports our main stream culture deems of value. Soccer is certainly a second tier sport in America but even with that its National Team is better than respectable and we really don't try compared to other sports.

soccer is the #1 sport in America ages 3-18......throw in this change...and in 10-15 years you will see it in our MNT and MLS

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My player is pretty much aged out now but I can say that there are far more opportunities today than when she began playing soccer years ago. I am not saying that they are unique to Oregon but someone did have to take the initiative to implement change. Frankly, during her youth soccer career things were pretty screwed up here in Oregon with the split between leagues and ODP becoming outrageously expensive. She just wanted to play soccer at a high level.

For us the ultimate answer became traveling to Seattle to play ECNL. If the same opportunities that are available now were available to her then I can't say with any certainty that we would have chosen the same route.

I am hopeful that today Oregon is building a system that identifies higher level players and helps them to achieve their individual soccer goals. For my player it was more like she was someone's property. It would have been nice for coaches and clubs to honestly have her best interest in mind and to be able to say " we have had a catastrophic erosion of talent in your player's age group and it would likely be more beneficial for her to go to X Y Z club" or any suggestion. Instead we encountered absolute anger from the the coach, ridicule from the DOC and unbridled hatred from some parents all of whom interpreted the club change as a loyalty issue and not a doing what is best for the player issue.

I feel like in this new system there are channels set up that allow players to grow beyond one club team and to experience soccer from many different angles. Maybe I am naive but I do see more of a push towards consolidating talent in some areas. I realize this is not that well developed, however it has the potential to be very good and in a few years. Nothing happens over night as we can attest. If nothing else, we are hopeful that these are good changes for the new youth.

What new systems? There none.

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miss stated fact

soccer is the #1 sport in America ages 3-18......throw in this change...and in 10-15 years you will see it in our MNT and MLS

Soccer is the number one sport in terms of participation, not of top athletes.

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Soccer is the number one sport in terms of participation, not of top athletes.

You are correct, but participation is about the only thing we can objectively measure. It is a back and forth about who are the top athletes, and what qualifies them as such...