Open your eyes regarding this 'League' controversy

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Wow, it must be simple living with such a one sided view of the world. So let me be sure I have this right, when OPL left OYSA, I seem to remember a lot of talk about self-determination, and OPL being forced to leave because OYSA wasn't responsive. Now that OPL is on the other side of it they suddenly cry about greed and unethical behavior.

Maybe it is simpler, perhaps OPL likes playing the victims. It must always be the other guy who is wrong, because OPL does no wrong?

One sided views are OK if they are accurate. Yours aren't.

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In a year or two you'll "get it"

Why is it that the TA parents don't have to raise Cain with their DoCs? Who is causing this split? Certainly not the OPL clubs.[/QUOTE]

The OPL is not a viable long term option now that they have lost 1/3 of their member clubs and over 50% of their teams. Further and most important they have FAILED to deliver on their promises to IMPROVE competitive soccer in Oregon. Last year they were offered control of OYSA's competitive soccer and rather than compromise over a few pennies they walked away. Well John Bain and GW took this opportunity to step in and take control and build a sustainable model that feeds the DA & ODP as well as the support structures for coaching Licensure and rec development from where all Oregon Premier clubs get their players.

The OPC on the other hand wants to take the cream off the top without acknowledging the need to support the system that supplies EVERYTHING below. They have successfully sold 5 years worth of U11 parents the bill of goods that US club is better than USYS under the guise that the OYSA was so terribly managed and unresponsive that anything was better. Yet the reality is that today the OPL delivers the SAME schedules against the SAME teams with the SAME referee performance but with LESS development training than the OYSA pre split.

The hand writing is on the wall for all but the blind OPL DOC's & Boards to see. Next year when the remaining clubs can't field competitive boys teams maaaaaaybe they'll get it but until then it's up to parents to push them to do the right thing and re-united Oregon competitive soccer under one association.

Yes THUSC, OR Crossfire and FCP can sustain a girls program but it will look vastly different with some teams opting to join the FWRL to get competitive games or one of the other leagues available because the REALITY is they will not have a sufficient number of teams to form a league.

So the choice will be to go back to OYSA and have to travel South twice and over the mountains once or get on planes twice a month. Hmmm I wonder which is gonna be cheaper?

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Why is it that the TA parents don't have to raise Cain with their DoCs? Who is causing this split? Certainly not the OPL clubs.

The OPL is not a viable long term option now that they have lost 1/3 of their member clubs and over 50% of their teams. Further and most important they have FAILED to deliver on their promises to IMPROVE competitive soccer in Oregon. Last year they were offered control of OYSA's competitive soccer and rather than compromise over a few pennies they walked away. Well John Bain and GW took this opportunity to step in and take control and build a sustainable model that feeds the DA & ODP as well as the support structures for coaching Licensure and rec development from where all Oregon Premier clubs get their players.

The OPC on the other hand wants to take the cream off the top without acknowledging the need to support the system that supplies EVERYTHING below. They have successfully sold 5 years worth of U11 parents the bill of goods that US club is better than USYS under the guise that the OYSA was so terribly managed and unresponsive that anything was better. Yet the reality is that today the OPL delivers the SAME schedules against the SAME teams with the SAME referee performance but with LESS development training than the OYSA pre split.

The hand writing is on the wall for all but the blind OPL DOC's & Boards to see. Next year when the remaining clubs can't field competitive boys teams maaaaaaybe they'll get it but until then it's up to parents to push them to do the right thing and re-united Oregon competitive soccer under one association.

Yes THUSC, OR Crossfire and FCP can sustain a girls program but it will look vastly different with some teams opting to join the FWRL to get competitive games or one of the other leagues available because the REALITY is they will not have a sufficient number of teams to form a league.

So the choice will be to go back to OYSA and have to travel South twice and over the mountains once or get on planes twice a month. Hmmm I wonder which is gonna be cheaper?[/QUOTE]

For all your long-windedness you still didn't address the main point. The OPL didn't cause the current split. The Timbers did. Let the Timbers deal with the fall out. But hey, Timbers teams might actually win something in their new in-bred league...

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Reading comprehension is not your stong suit!

For all your long-windedness you still didn't address the main point. The OPL didn't cause the current split. The Timbers did. Let the Timbers deal with the fall out. But hey, Timbers teams might actually win something in their new in-bred league...[/QUOTE]

So the organization that picked up their ball and went to form their own league did not "cause" the split? Ooookay if you say so.

Now lets talk about TODAY"S split. OYSA offered the OPC control and they walked away. So who "caused" today's split?

It really doesn't matter who is to blame however because the OPL can not deliver on their promise and will not be able to form competitive girl leagues at all ages which will cause parents to leave after this year which will further erode the revenue stream of the dinosaur clubs.

Keep telling your self it's important who to blame. It reallllly solves the problem.

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So the organization that picked up their ball and went to form their own league did not "cause" the split? Ooookay if you say so.

Seems to me there was no "split" until the Timbers created one.

Now lets talk about TODAY"S split. OYSA offered the OPC control and they walked away. So who "caused" today's split?

Why would the OPC want control of rec soccer and such. They are rightfully only interested in competitive soccer. If someone else wants to organize rec soccer, let them.

It really doesn't matter who is to blame however because the OPL can not deliver on their promise and will not be able to form competitive girl leagues at all ages which will cause parents to leave after this year which will further erode the revenue stream of the dinosaur clubs.

And the Timbers won't be able to form competitive leagues either. Without the OPL clubs the Timbers league will FAIL and they know it. Why do you think all of you TA flunkies are so worked up about this? Not one OPL club cares about the Timbers league but the TA clubs know that a failure to pull everybody into one league will drive a lot of their membership away.

Keep telling your self it's important who to blame. It reallllly solves the problem.

Then why do you keep blaming the OPL? Really, tell me what was wrong with the fall OPL league that is just wrapping up? How will the Timbers league be better?

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There, There...

You know what. I lost all respect for the OP when they can't spell the difference with "their".



1.a form of the possessive case of they used as an attributive adjective, before a noun: their home; their rights as citizens; their departure for Rome.

2.(used after an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine form his or the definite feminine form her ): Someone left their book on the table. Did everyone bring their lunch?

Examples of There vs Their

She was envious of their expensive shoes.
I don't want to go there because it's too cold.
Once upon a time, there was a princess who turned into a frog.

Or in your case Their, Their little man... it's OK.

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Seems to me there was no "split" until the Timbers created one.

So before the timbers returned to OYSA, Wasn't there OYSA and OPL? The split happened over fiver years ago, at that time the big folks in OPL said if they were not able to create a better model and if OYSA corrected some of their faults they would return. Really what is happening is not a new split, it is healing an old one.

Why would the OPC want control of rec soccer and such. They are rightfully only interested in competitive soccer. If someone else wants to organize rec soccer, let them.

OYSA NEVER OFFERED OPC REC SOCCER. It was very clear there was no interest. The offer was for OPC to run all of the competitive leagues. OPC declined because they were happy taking the money they were getting while only needing to provide limited services.

And the Timbers won't be able to form competitive leagues either. Without the OPL clubs the Timbers league will FAIL and they know it. Why do you think all of you TA flunkies are so worked up about this? Not one OPL club cares about the Timbers league but the TA clubs know that a failure to pull everybody into one league will drive a lot of their membership away.

Go ahead and tell yourselves this...Tell your daughter she has not just been left on the outside, and that it is OK to scrimmage the same team every week. The membership that has been driven away is OPC's, again OPC has failed, when you choose how to create your girl's rec league and create some fancy little acronym for it I am sure you will try to hype it up...for now I would suggest SAD...

Then why do you keep blaming the OPL? Really, tell me what was wrong with the fall OPL league that is just wrapping up? How will the Timbers league be better?

If you really seriously are asking this question, you don't pay much attention. I hope you at least open your eyes when you are driving.

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Really what is happening is not a new split, it is healing an old one..

Living in the past, are we? Enjoying it back there?

OYSA NEVER OFFERED OPC REC SOCCER. It was very clear there was no interest. The offer was for OPC to run all of the competitive leagues. OPC declined because they were happy taking the money they were getting while only needing to provide limited services.

OPC declined because they already had ALL of the competitive leagues. The PML is Rec+

Go ahead and tell yourselves this...Tell your daughter she has not just been left on the outside, and that it is OK to scrimmage the same team every week..

No different than this past fall then. Better to play the good teams more often than to waste time playing TA bootballers.

If you really seriously are asking this question, you don't pay much attention.

Couldn't even come up with one thing wrong with the league, could you? S-A-D. Have fun in your Timbers rec league.

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Go ahead and tell yourselves this...Tell your daughter she has not just been left on the outside, and that it is OK to scrimmage the same team every week.

Why do you care? Isn't your Timbers league good enough without the OPL teams?

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Why do you care? Isn't your Timbers league good enough without the OPL teams?

Honestly, I have two sons, so I couldn't care less about the OPL teams. I just wish we as adults could focus more on the game, and less on the political BS that seems to be dominating the airwaves...

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Living in the past, are we? Enjoying it back there?





OPC declined because they already had ALL of the competitive leagues. The PML is Rec+




No different than this past fall then. Better to play the good teams more often than to waste time playing TA bootballers.



Couldn't even come up with one thing wrong with the league, could you? S-A-D. Have fun in your Timbers rec league.

You babble for the sake of babbling. You make a statement someone responds, and you pretend you made a different statement. If you actually have a point make it, because your grasp of history and reality are both highly suspect.

Case in Point
-Seems to me there was no split until the timbers made one

-Really what is happening is not a new split, it is healing an old one.

-Living in the past are we? Enjoying it back there

Let me make sure I understand this, you claim it is a new split, someone responds that it has been around fro a while, and your response is to accuse them of living in the past?

Case 2

Why would OPC want control of rec soccer and such?

- Rec soccer was not offered, what was offered was to run all competitive leagues

OPC declined because they already had all competitive leagues

The offer referred to was centered around OPC running both the leagues and the USYS State Championship. It was offered so that Oregon could have one state championship rather than the USYS path and the USClub path.

I suggest if you are a noob, or have no recollection of history, keep your comments in the present, don't try to sound like you know what you are talking about, because it is all to obvious you don't.

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And the Timbers won't be able to form competitive leagues either. Without the OPL clubs the Timbers league will FAIL and they know it. Why do you think all of you TA flunkies are so worked up about this? Not one OPL club cares about the Timbers league.[/Quote]

Except you don't know what the OPL clubs are thinking because they don't know what their leagues will look like. Where the BSC teams go will have a big influence on who has the "better" competition. However even without BSC there are more OYSA teams at every age than OPL teams.


Then why do you keep blaming the OPL? Really, tell me what was wrong with the fall OPL league that is just wrapping up? How will the Timbers league be better?[/QUOTE]

I agree the BOTH need each other to form the optimal situation which is the P O I N T of this thread.

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Honestly, I have two sons, so I couldn't care less about the OPL teams. I just wish we as adults could focus more on the game, and less on the political BS that seems to be dominating the airwaves...

You should teach your sons how to speak Spanish if they want to get better at soccer.

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You should teach your sons how to speak Spanish if they want to get better at soccer.

Mine are fluent.

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Honestly, I have two sons, so I couldn't care less about the OPL teams. I just wish we as adults could focus more on the game, and less on the political BS that seems to be dominating the airwaves...

I couldn't agree more. For me the main question regarding the TA is the girls' lack of development, lack of a real form of style to a game. You watch how the NT played yesterday and this "send her" mentality is on the way out in regards to the future of women's soccer. Possession is where they will be selecting their next players and that selection will finally reach the regional levels. BTW, boys is the same with the Timbers (although they didn't show it last night).

Unless the TA really grows to developing players instead of boot-ball, the development of their customers will fail as it has been.

If you are selecting a club based on a league you, and only you, are letting your child down. You should be selecting a club based on their proven record for development of skills for your son or daughter. I wouldn't put my son/daughter in any TA team that I have seen because of this reason alone. And, if you believe that this relationship with the Timbers will result in better coaching and a change in development, ask for the 2 years of proof? Ask SD or another TA DOC to come and watch a game with you before you decide and ask them what style they are playing. Then, thank them for their time and select another club.

BTW, I went and watched a few hours of the TA boys training a few weeks back to see where they are at and it was sad.