The 500 lbs Gorilla: To switch Clubs or not to?

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Who operates a non-profit with 365K of salaries and benefits and a 180K loss? Then gives away League fees and State Cup fees?

Most non-profits.

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There is nothing usual about this. Payroll is ways one of the largest expenses for all companies.

Do you expect coaches to live in poverty? How much do you think coaches should be paid? How many coaches do you think clubs employ?

Think about it and get some perspective.

And what coaching are these coaches doing?

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USYS affiliates across the USA

Most of the larger states do not run any leagues. There is plenty of revenue for them with the high membership volume and dues associated & they don't need or want the headache of running leagues. USYS mandates they run it's championship series and ODP.

For years OYSA did the leagues poorly with Mike Morris in charge and when he was canned it got even worse. OPL decided they could do it better, so them jumped in to try and run them.

A private 3rd party should figure out a way to run leagues to clean up the system and not have the inmates running the asylum. Bring back accountability and independence to the league. Would the NFL let the top eight teams in the league oversee the scheduling and post season format and assignment of referee's? At the same time only those 8 clubs get the revenue from registrations.

Idiot "sheep" parents in Oregon allow for this collusion and control by a few clubs and the Timbers figured if the "sheep" have been willing to follow those bozo's at the OPL blindly why not instead have those same "sheep" instead follow the wolf in sheep clothings, the Timbers.

Why? Because GW and his minions are the 'Soccer Experts".

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There is nothing usual about this. Payroll is ways one of the largest expenses for all companies.

Do you expect coaches to live in poverty? How much do you think coaches should be paid? How many coaches do you think clubs employ?

Think about it and get some perspective.

What are you talking about? Coaches are hired and paid for by the CLUBS not OYSA. The coaching expenses they have may have been for some training and ODP which is minimal and should be paid out of ODP funds.

The payroll for OYSA is largely administrative. If you operate with a large loss, this is a place where you can cut. And maybe you do not cut salaries, but you certainly cut jobs. It doesn't matter now, the money will be going to someone else when the take over is done.

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What are you talking about? Coaches are hired and paid for by the CLUBS not OYSA. The coaching expenses they have may have been for some training and ODP which is minimal and should be paid out of ODP funds.

The payroll for OYSA is largely administrative. If you operate with a large loss, this is a place where you can cut. And maybe you do not cut salaries, but you certainly cut jobs. It doesn't matter now, the money will be going to someone else when the take over is done.

You're exactly right. Finally, someone with a brain who doesn't simply quote his accounting textbook from Clackamas community college.

This is acquisitions 101, for the p&l genius. And no, you won't find Acquisitions 101 in your Clackamas community college textbook.

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You're exactly right. Finally, someone with a brain who doesn't simply quote his accounting textbook from Clackamas community college.

This is acquisitions 101, for the p&l genius. And no, you won't find Acquisitions 101 in your Clackamas community college textbook.

Acquistions? Huh? Who is buying, merging, or selling Who? Did this chump even get past high school?

That has nothing to do with the argument. Nothing. The argument is whether or not the group has justifiable expenses as compared to other NPOs (or MBC's) of similar ilk. Period. What in gods name does an acquistion or its business metrics have anything to do with this? Does this chump just pick words out of his public high school education and toss them into big boy conversations, hoping people will believe It? Maybe you could buy a WSJ subscription, and read it regularly. It might help. A lot.

Step one. Dude, seriously, go burn your state college diploma and start over. Please.Try the UW Foster School of Business, if you think you can get accepted.

What a mook.

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Kzmmtf

Most non-profits.

No... most soccer association keeps the league and tournament fees. They do not just hand it over to an MLS club. Not sure what planet you are from.

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No... most soccer association keeps the league and tournament fees. They do not just hand it over to an MLS club. Not sure what planet you are from.

The planet of Portlandia Youth Soccer...

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Acquistions? Huh? Who is buying, merging, or selling Who? Did this chump even get past high school?

That has nothing to do with the argument. Nothing. The argument is whether or not the group has justifiable expenses as compared to other NPOs (or MBC's) of similar ilk. Period. What in gods name does an acquistion or its business metrics have anything to do with this? Does this chump just pick words out of his public high school education and toss them into big boy conversations, hoping people will believe It? Maybe you could buy a WSJ subscription, and read it regularly. It might help. A lot.

Step one. Dude, seriously, go burn your state college diploma and start over. Please.Try the UW Foster School of Business, if you think you can get accepted.

What a mook.

You are a blubbering idiot and I think that blood vessel in your forehead is going to explode. The whole reason they are selling out is their expenses aren't justifiable. They are bloated relative to services provided and have been for 15 years. If you want to debate if expenses are justifiable, which any third grader would understand are given that they are throwing in the towel, let me be the first person to clarify for you that you are generally clueless.

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Maybe with a professional organization running soccer rather than the non-profits, there will be more organization and increased quality overall?

I realize the non-TA folks will throw eggs at this, but who knows.

Sure there is some money to be made off youth soccer, but it's not a significant amount. Maybe we will wind up with a better product in the end.

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You are a blubbering idiot and I think that blood vessel in your forehead is going to explode. The whole reason they are selling out is their expenses aren't justifiable. They are bloated relative to services provided and have been for 15 years. If you want to debate if expenses are justifiable, which any third grader would understand are given that they are throwing in the towel, let me be the first person to clarify for you that you are generally clueless.

Right. So what is this acquistion garbage then? Again, your basic understanding of business is what some parent told you at your DD's half time. You do understand that the Timbers do not, nor will not, own the league. It is not a buy out. You have THAT CONCEPT.....W R O N G. It is a collaborative partnership, for good or ill, not a purchase of a business. Period.

You get that Right? They may have influence over league decisions, and rightly so, as they will in turn provide value back to the organization. I am not, in principle, a supporter of this move, but neither am I of ignorant parents posing as sage business people. That would be YOU.

The OYSA traded some existing oversight for more teams and net influence statewide, and why Not? Like it or not, it is that simple. Both influence and teams were in the hands of the hands of the OPL and now they have half of those best teams and players. My guess is that the Timbers could not exact influence or have a heavy role ( for whatever reason) with or through the OPL and found a weak OYSA shell in which to influence more completely, instead. Again, you beautiful business genius, it is not a purchase buy out, not an acquisition.

You can say all sorts of mean and nasty things to me dear, but you clearly don't understand business. You just barely understand how to communicate what you have come to believe is something you don't like. Your argument is sloppy, sophmoric, and embarrassing to read. I am done with you.

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Right. So what is this acquistion garbage then? Again, your basic understanding of business is what some parent told you at your DD's half time. You do understand that the Timbers do not, nor will not, own the league. It is not a buy out. You have THAT CONCEPT.....W R O N G. It is a collaborative partnership, for good or ill, not a purchase of a business. Period.

You get that Right? They may have influence over league decisions, and rightly so, as they will in turn provide value back to the organization. I am not, in principle, a supporter of this move, but neither am I of ignorant parents posing as sage business people. That would be YOU.

The OYSA traded some existing oversight for more teams and net influence statewide, and why Not? Like it or not, it is that simple. Both influence and teams were in the hands of the hands of the OPL and now they have half of those best teams and players. My guess is that the Timbers could not exact influence or have a heavy role ( for whatever reason) with or through the OPL and found a weak OYSA shell in which to influence more completely, instead. Again, you beautiful business genius, it is not a purchase buy out, not an acquisition.

You can say all sorts of mean and nasty things to me dear, but you clearly don't understand business. You just barely understand how to communicate what you have come to believe is something you don't like. Your argument is sloppy, sophmoric, and embarrassing to read. I am done with you.

Again you remain a giant tool hung up on a suggestive reference via the term "acquisition" and from there try to write a business thesis, a weak one at that. Only an idiot would take that literally, dear. It's a money grab and the same people that broke Oregon apart 6 or 7 years ago in a power grab are simply finishing what they started. If you think this is all about giving back to the kids you are amazingly naive and probably have a lot of fairy figurines in your kitchen. But you are too busy with websters dictionary and your supposed business knowledge trying to prove you're smart to yourself and usually that's an pretty darn good indicator of a tool.

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Right. So what is this acquistion garbage then? Again, your basic understanding of business is what some parent told you at your DD's half time. You do understand that the Timbers do not, nor will not, own the league. It is not a buy out. You have THAT CONCEPT.....W R O N G. It is a collaborative partnership, for good or ill, not a purchase of a business. Period.

You get that Right? They may have influence over league decisions, and rightly so, as they will in turn provide value back to the organization. I am not, in principle, a supporter of this move, but neither am I of ignorant parents posing as sage business people. That would be YOU.

The OYSA traded some existing oversight for more teams and net influence statewide, and why Not? Like it or not, it is that simple. Both influence and teams were in the hands of the hands of the OPL and now they have half of those best teams and players. My guess is that the Timbers could not exact influence or have a heavy role ( for whatever reason) with or through the OPL and found a weak OYSA shell in which to influence more completely, instead. Again, you beautiful business genius, it is not a purchase buy out, not an acquisition.

You can say all sorts of mean and nasty things to me dear, but you clearly don't understand business. You just barely understand how to communicate what you have come to believe is something you don't like. Your argument is sloppy, sophmoric, and embarrassing to read. I am done with you.

"Collaborative partnership". Do you truly believe that? I have bridge I'd like
to sell you sense you are suuuuuuch a business genius and can write such long blithering posts.

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Again you remain a giant tool hung up on a suggestive reference via the term "acquisition" and from there try to write a business thesis, a weak one at that. Only an idiot would take that literally, dear. It's a money grab and the same people that broke Oregon apart 6 or 7 years ago in a power grab are simply finishing what they started. If you think this is all about giving back to the kids you are amazingly naive and probably have a lot of fairy figurines in your kitchen. But you are too busy with websters dictionary and your supposed business knowledge trying to prove you're smart to yourself and usually that's an pretty darn good indicator of a tool.

Tool? Darn good? I think we know who/ what we are dealing with here. Right Mommy? Does Sally Mae wanna go get her darn good book learnings for to make us smart and the like?

Tell us now, did you marry a Skeeter, a Jethro, or a Rufus?

Tool. Darn good. What are you seven? Were you raised in the hills of Tennessee?

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People will change clubs if OYSA really starts making teams travel to Eugene, Medford, and Bend on a regular basis.

LOL! If people pull their kids off of teams that travel to play, then so what? If a player is focused and skillful enough to play on a travel team, then perhaps the player will be better prepared to travel for ODP, other development programs, OSAA playoffs, regionals, out-of-state tournaments and friendlies, regional leagues, college varsity and club teams....parents and families have options not to always travel with teams. Just saying...team travel does not mean mandatory family travel. Travel is a part of soccer everywhere and at different times in a youth player's life.