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How are Eastside, Westside and Vancouver in existence then?

The point was that not anyone can be a TA club as the previous poster stated. In our area, there cannot be another one within 50 miles of our TA club. Obviously the population base in the Portland Metro area is bigger than ours and thus 3 clubs in that area.

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You guys are really not that stupid are you?

Westside, Eastside, and Vancouver are not that far apart.

How much of your OYSA card fees do you think go to the Timbers.

The pretty uniforms that you get that have a Timber's patch. How much do you think goes to the Timbers per kit.

The "Timbers" camp that are run by your club and attended by your kids, how much revenue do you think the Timbers get?

The free advertising that you give to the Timbers, how much do you think that is worth?

Come one people, do you think the GW is doing this because he is concerned about youth soccer in Oregon. He is doing this to show MP how he can make MP money. It is at your kid's expense.

Then say that instead of saying a check is being cut to the Timbers for being a TA club.

I am not concerned with the $2 fee.

Camps are optional for club members to attend.

Uniforms cost no more than before.

We also benefit from having the Timbers name in terms of marketing.

In the end, I hope it provides more opportunities for the kids in our club. That's what matters most and is what we all hope will result from this and, yes, we realize there is no guarantee that this will happen. But the doomsday talk seems extreme. I believe it is a mutually beneficial relationship as you can see by the increased numbers coming to the TA clubs in the Portland Metro area.

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The point was that not anyone can be a TA club as the previous poster stated. In our area, there cannot be another one within 50 miles of our TA club. Obviously the population base in the Portland Metro area is bigger than ours and thus 3 clubs in that area.

You just have to show that you can bring in some revenue. If you meet the minimum $$ amount then you are in.

If that is not the case then please do tell me the qualifications for being a TA club. It certainly is not the level of soccer ability.

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Then say that instead of saying a check is being cut to the Timbers for being a TA club.

I am not concerned with the $2 fee.

Camps are optional for club members to attend.

Uniforms cost no more than before.

We also benefit from having the Timbers name in terms of marketing.

In the end, I hope it provides more opportunities for the kids in our club. That's what matters most and is what we all hope will result from this and, yes, we realize there is no guarantee that this will happen. But the doomsday talk seems extreme. I believe it is a mutually beneficial relationship as you can see by the increased numbers coming to the TA clubs in the Portland Metro area.

I am not sure if a check is cut. I was not the one who said a check was cut. It may or may not be the case. I tried looking up the financials, but none of it is posted.

The $2 fee adds up and went to youth soccer previously.

Unforms are not the same as before.

Your club used to make money on the camps which also went to other programs in the club.

These numbers may not mean much to you individually, but they add up which is why the Timbers want your money.

The numbers are actually pretty much the same for TA teams. Look at the numbers at the TA teams and the other teams. The growth is the same.

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So do profits from all the girls go to the THORNS?

Funny question and I know what the answer is.

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You just have to show that you can bring in some revenue. If you meet the minimum $$ amount then you are in.

If that is not the case then please do tell me the qualifications for being a TA club. It certainly is not the level of soccer ability.

It most certainly is about soccer ability, among other things. Look at the clubs that are chosen. They are taking the best club in the respective area. No doubt Wa Timbers are best in SW Wa. No doubt RV was best in southern Oregon. No doubt oregon rush was best... So on. You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with. But can you blame the timbers? The Timbers are men. Start there and slowly buildup the womens side. It will happen sooner than you think as they make use of the thorns name and tie. Ecnl thorns? i would bet so. timbers have the pull to do that. The clubs that were chosen were chosen for good reason. Don't try and sell me that THUSC is a better choice than Westside. Give me a break. Every single boys side is stronger at WT and arguably better at a few girls ages. You name one club that should have chosen over the ones that were, in there respective areas. You can try but you will be wrong.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

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It most certainly is about soccer ability, among other things. Look at the clubs that are chosen. They are taking the best club in the respective area. No doubt Wa Timbers are best in SW Wa. No doubt RV was best in southern Oregon. No doubt oregon rush was best... So on. You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with. But can you blame the timbers? The Timbers are men. Start there and slowly buildup the womens side. It will happen sooner than you think as they make use of the thorns name and tie. Ecnl thorns? i would bet so. timbers have the pull to do that. The clubs that were chosen were chosen for good reason. Don't try and sell me that THUSC is a better choice than Westside. Give me a break. Every single boys side is stronger at WT and arguably better at a few girls ages. You name one club that should have chosen over the ones that were, in there respective areas. You can try but you will be wrong.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

FCP is a better club than either Westside or Eastside top to bottom considering both genders. It's a better club than THUSC too.

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It most certainly is about soccer ability, among other things. Look at the clubs that are chosen. They are taking the best club in the respective area. No doubt Wa Timbers are best in SW Wa. No doubt RV was best in southern Oregon. No doubt oregon rush was best... So on. You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with. But can you blame the timbers? The Timbers are men. Start there and slowly buildup the womens side. It will happen sooner than you think as they make use of the thorns name and tie. Ecnl thorns? i would bet so. timbers have the pull to do that. The clubs that were chosen were chosen for good reason. Don't try and sell me that THUSC is a better choice than Westside. Give me a break. Every single boys side is stronger at WT and arguably better at a few girls ages. You name one club that should have chosen over the ones that were, in there respective areas. You can try but you will be wrong.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

I would agree that if you kids has talent it is a great idea to join a showcase team like Westside (boy), FCP or THUSC (girl) once they are U15. These teams travel and get exposure. In the end though, the biggest ROI is going to be academics.

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We can argue all day about which clubs are better or worse than others. But, for those of you who are so dead set against the Timbers and the Alliance teams I guarantee that you are still showing up for Timbers or Thorns pro games and buying yourself and your kids their merchandise.

If you really are that against the Timbers than why don't you start picketing their games outside Jeld-Wen instead of posting on an anonymous website? Get all of your friends who are with you in this view and make a party out of it.

When I see that you will have my respect. Otherwise, it is a bit hypocritical.

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It most certainly is about soccer ability, among other things. Look at the clubs that are chosen. They are taking the best club in the respective area. No doubt Wa Timbers are best in SW Wa. No doubt RV was best in southern Oregon. No doubt oregon rush was best... So on. You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with. But can you blame the timbers? The Timbers are men. Start there and slowly buildup the womens side. It will happen sooner than you think as they make use of the thorns name and tie. Ecnl thorns? i would bet so. timbers have the pull to do that. The clubs that were chosen were chosen for good reason. Don't try and sell me that THUSC is a better choice than Westside. Give me a break. Every single boys side is stronger at WT and arguably better at a few girls ages. You name one club that should have chosen over the ones that were, in there respective areas. You can try but you will be wrong.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

RV is not a great club and neither is Bend in terms of talent level.

Eastside and Westside are good on the boy's side, but for the most part suck on the girls side. There are one or two teams that are good on the girl's side.

OSSA, FCP, and THUSC are much better on the girls side. OSSA and FCP also have better programs.

Just take a look at the records of these teams vs. your TA teams. You guys are usually on the losing end.

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RV is not a great club and neither is Bend in terms of talent level.

Eastside and Westside are good on the boy's side, but for the most part suck on the girls side. There are one or two teams that are good on the girl's side.

OSSA, FCP, and THUSC are much better on the girls side. OSSA and FCP also have better programs.

Just take a look at the records of these teams vs. your TA teams. You guys are usually on the losing end.

You people are missing the point. The old ways of doing business are going away. This fractured structure of numerous individuals clubs has gotten the United States exactly zero World Cup titles on the men's side. Regarding the Women's side, the US has had such a major head start on most countries that they are just now beginning to catch up. Change is coming and you are either with it or against it. But it is coming whether you like it or not.

Take a look at the Colorado Rapids and FC Dallas youth programs on their websites and you will see that they are very similar to what the Timbers are trying to accomplish.

Here is a summary of the FC Dallas youth system:

- The FC Dallas professional team , consisting of up to 28 professional players.

- The FC Dallas Academy Program, consisting of two elite teams, U16 and U18, which play in the U.S. Soccer Development Academy.

- The FCD Premier Development Program, an elite core of teams that are selected by invitation only, one team per age group of both girls and boys.

- Over 70 Select boys and girls teams ranging from ages U11 to U19.
- Over 45 Junior boys and girls teams ranging from U7 to U10.

Besides, take one look at how Oregon teams perform, in general, outside of the state and it is poor. We routinely are run over by Seattle teams in our measly NWCL and forget about playing teams from California. We aren't even talking about the major soccer hotbeds in the Midwest, South and East Coast where we would be swallowed like minnows in the ocean.

Look at it this way, Costa Rica has a population of roughly 4.6 million and Oregon has a population of roughly 4 million. Oregon can barely win games in California tournaments and Costa Rica can give the US Men's National Team a run for their money.

You tell me who has the better system for developing players...the United States with a population of 315 million or an entire country that is barely larger than the size of Oregon.

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You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

By your last sentence it's obvious you have a son. I was with you at first until I read what I quoted you on above. You just lost all credibility. FC is the best club top to bottom for boys and girls. And really a SLIGHT emphasis on the boys, slight. Come on now.

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You people are missing the point. The old ways of doing business are going away. This fractured structure of numerous individuals clubs has gotten the United States exactly zero World Cup titles on the men's side. Regarding the Women's side, the US has had such a major head start on most countries that they are just now beginning to catch up. Change is coming and you are either with it or against it. But it is coming whether you like it or not.

Take a look at the Colorado Rapids and FC Dallas youth programs on their websites and you will see that they are very similar to what the Timbers are trying to accomplish.

Here is a summary of the FC Dallas youth system:

- The FC Dallas professional team , consisting of up to 28 professional players.

- The FC Dallas Academy Program, consisting of two elite teams, U16 and U18, which play in the U.S. Soccer Development Academy.

- The FCD Premier Development Program, an elite core of teams that are selected by invitation only, one team per age group of both girls and boys.

- Over 70 Select boys and girls teams ranging from ages U11 to U19.
- Over 45 Junior boys and girls teams ranging from U7 to U10.

Besides, take one look at how Oregon teams perform, in general, outside of the state and it is poor. We routinely are run over by Seattle teams in our measly NWCL and forget about playing teams from California. We aren't even talking about the major soccer hotbeds in the Midwest, South and East Coast where we would be swallowed like minnows in the ocean.

Look at it this way, Costa Rica has a population of roughly 4.6 million and Oregon has a population of roughly 4 million. Oregon can barely win games in California tournaments and Costa Rica can give the US Men's National Team a run for their money.

You tell me who has the better system for developing players...the United States with a population of 315 million or an entire country that is barely larger than the size of Oregon.

Hate to break it to you but the alliance teams are fractured, seperate clubs. Only thing they have is the same uniform.

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It most certainly is about soccer ability, among other things. Look at the clubs that are chosen. They are taking the best club in the respective area. No doubt Wa Timbers are best in SW Wa. No doubt RV was best in southern Oregon. No doubt oregon rush was best... So on. You may say what about eastside and Westside? but Who is stronger than those clubs in their respective areas, top to bottom both genders. The answer is no one. Maybe their was a slight emphasis on boys to begin with. But can you blame the timbers? The Timbers are men. Start there and slowly buildup the womens side. It will happen sooner than you think as they make use of the thorns name and tie. Ecnl thorns? i would bet so. timbers have the pull to do that. The clubs that were chosen were chosen for good reason. Don't try and sell me that THUSC is a better choice than Westside. Give me a break. Every single boys side is stronger at WT and arguably better at a few girls ages. You name one club that should have chosen over the ones that were, in there respective areas. You can try but you will be wrong.

I am thankful I am in the Alliance. I could switch easily if I wanted, but that would not be in our best interest.

RV is not a great club and neither is Bend in terms of talent level.

Eastside and Westside are good on the boy's side, but for the most part suck on the girls side. There are one or two teams that are good on the girl's side.

OSSA, FCP, and THUSC are much better on the girls side. OSSA and FCP also have better boy's programs.

Just take a look at the records of these teams vs. your TA teams. You guys are usually on the losing end.

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You people are missing the point. The old ways of doing business are going away. This fractured structure of numerous individuals clubs has gotten the United States exactly zero World Cup titles on the men's side. Regarding the Women's side, the US has had such a major head start on most countries that they are just now beginning to catch up. Change is coming and you are either with it or against it. But it is coming whether you like it or not.

Take a look at the Colorado Rapids and FC Dallas youth programs on their websites and you will see that they are very similar to what the Timbers are trying to accomplish.

Here is a summary of the FC Dallas youth system:

- The FC Dallas professional team , consisting of up to 28 professional players.

- The FC Dallas Academy Program, consisting of two elite teams, U16 and U18, which play in the U.S. Soccer Development Academy.

- The FCD Premier Development Program, an elite core of teams that are selected by invitation only, one team per age group of both girls and boys.

- Over 70 Select boys and girls teams ranging from ages U11 to U19.
- Over 45 Junior boys and girls teams ranging from U7 to U10.

Besides, take one look at how Oregon teams perform, in general, outside of the state and it is poor. We routinely are run over by Seattle teams in our measly NWCL and forget about playing teams from California. We aren't even talking about the major soccer hotbeds in the Midwest, South and East Coast where we would be swallowed like minnows in the ocean.

Look at it this way, Costa Rica has a population of roughly 4.6 million and Oregon has a population of roughly 4 million. Oregon can barely win games in California tournaments and Costa Rica can give the US Men's National Team a run for their money.

You tell me who has the better system for developing players...the United States with a population of 315 million or an entire country that is barely larger than the size of Oregon.

You are not really comparing apples and apples.

First of all you are talking about one game. This is soccer. I have seen plenty of 1-0 game with a great team vs. a bad team. At times Oregon teams lose 1-0 to S. California teams.

Soccer is not the primary sport in the USA. The best male athletes are not choosing soccer.

Get over yourself on the idea about a system to develop better soccer players. If our best athletes chose soccer and grew up playing soccer we would be dominant in soccer.

The reasons why US men are not dominant is the same reason why the US women are dominant. You mentioned the women having such a head start... how do you think it is in the other countries on the men's side. Soccer has been there primary sport since the beginning of time.

Also you missed the who point of this initial argument. No one is saying anything bad about the Timbers Academy. The issue is having the Timbers run OYSA. OYSA is Oregon Youth Soccer Association. This covers multiple competitive and recreation clubs. The Timbers should not be running OYSA.