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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It happens in ALL types of tournaments. Do you consider the Crossfire Challenge a good tournament? It happens at that tournament. Sure, a crappy tournament might give out extra free spots if they do not have any numbers. A top tournament might give out a free spot or a reduced fee spot to round out a bracket. It's common practice. But they usually will only give those offers out to quality teams who have shown some commitment in the past. You are not going to see a free spot given to a no name chump team with no history.
    Funny you mention Crossfire Challenge....we were offered a free spot two years ago and took it

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Funny you mention Crossfire Challenge....we were offered a free spot two years ago and took it
      Lucky you! Wouldn't mind my DD's team getting a free ticket to that one.

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        #18
        This issue has been brewing for awhile. There always has been an issue with too many tournaments in too few weeks around here. I dont think FC has re instituted their tournament in July, but that reduction in supply is probably not enough. One unintended consequence of the OPL..... Back in the day, you wanted to play plenty of tournaments to get sharp for qualifiers. Now that you dont do that, seems like teams want to dial it back and play Beaverton Cup and maybe go to Seattle to play someone other than the usual suspects. The losers, all the local touraments who mostly now just hope to cover costs, certainly not make any money.

        Always an Issue at HS ages... diminished interest, fewer teams, flat out soccer burn out, but what do you expect when most of these kids started playing at 5. Nothing neat about playing in the Border Clash for the umpteenth time.

        Look at Crossfire's registered teams.... dominated by WA teams. So they have issues with playing the old usual suspects too.

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          #19
          Terrible refs. Terrible fields. Too many Terrible obnoxious vantuckies. No thanks.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            After looking at some of the age groups, it looks like a tourny that any decent team took a pass on. In the HS Girls division, it's laughable. You have 95s through 98s all playing each other. And none of them are top teams. We could put our B team in there and easily make it to the finals and probably win it. And the only way they would play is if it were offered for free. Top teams from OR, WA, CA, ID, AK? Hardly. Mediocre to crummy teams from OR and WA. Go to this for free or pay big bucks to travel to a good tourney? I'd take the latter. Time during the summer is too precious.
            High school division has Eastside Timbers 97 (2nd in State) Crossfire Oregon 96, formerly OSSA (1st in state) , Washington Timbers 97 Red (ranked #4 in Washington, Southside Stealth 98 (2nd in State) ........seems like you really don't know what a top team is....

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              High school division has Eastside Timbers 97 (2nd in State) Crossfire Oregon 96, formerly OSSA (1st in state) , Washington Timbers 97 Red (ranked #4 in Washington, Southside Stealth 98 (2nd in State) ........seems like you really don't know what a top team is....
              Please let us know what those teams have done outside of Oregon. And funny that you had to get four age groups to make one division. What a hodge podge. I'm sure OSSA 96 will have a lot of fun playing Stealth. Top teams, hardly.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Please let us know what those teams have done outside of Oregon. And funny that you had to get four age groups to make one division. What a hodge podge. I'm sure OSSA 96 will have a lot of fun playing Stealth. Top teams, hardly.
                Are you new here? Many tournaments have a HS division. High school is 4 yrs. Duh.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Are you new here? Many tournaments have a HS division. High school is 4 yrs. Duh.
                  Your tourney sucks, OK?

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                    #24
                    Mouth breather

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Your tourney sucks, OK?
                    Very creative.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Your tourney sucks, OK?
                      Truly don't care about the HS bracket anyway. I can tell you that many of the brackets on the boys side are more than solid, half of the girls brackets are solid. It's not my tourney anyway, but you still sound like a fool.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Truly don't care about the HS bracket anyway. I can tell you that many of the brackets on the boys side are more than solid, half of the girls brackets are solid. It's not my tourney anyway, but you still sound like a fool.
                        OK, maybe he didn't handle it in the right way, but the point is still valid. This tournament isn't good and the area should be trying to develop a truly good tournament to attract top quality teams. If you think about it, Portland is perfectly situated to attract teams from around the area being in the middle of Seattle and northern California, close to Boise (OK, maybe not top quality but at least could draw from there), etc.

                        The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.

                        Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          OK, maybe he didn't handle it in the right way, but the point is still valid. This tournament isn't good and the area should be trying to develop a truly good tournament to attract top quality teams. If you think about it, Portland is perfectly situated to attract teams from around the area being in the middle of Seattle and northern California, close to Boise (OK, maybe not top quality but at least could draw from there), etc.

                          The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.

                          Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...
                          You are right it would be nice to get better tournaments here. You are also right about our location. We have a few things going against us though.

                          NWCL has really killed seattle teams traveling down. In the past the top seattle teams would travel down to play our teams, even though they usually dominated them it was the only time they would get a chance to play them. Now iwth NWCL they get to play them regardless so they don't need to do any tournaments down here. In my opinion This is the biggest factor.

                          With few seattle teams coming down, california teams don't see the value you coming up to play. They have enough quality tournaments around that they don't need to come up here for competition.

                          The truth is if we had a deeper better pool of teams in portland the seattle teams would come down more often to get the competition. But their best games are against their own local teams, and they have soo many clubs up north that they get a decent variety.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            OK, maybe he didn't handle it in the right way, but the point is still valid. This tournament isn't good and the area should be trying to develop a truly good tournament to attract top quality teams. If you think about it, Portland is perfectly situated to attract teams from around the area being in the middle of Seattle and northern California, close to Boise (OK, maybe not top quality but at least could draw from there), etc.

                            The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.

                            Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...
                            Your points are reasonable, but just as HS guy doesn't seem to like the HS bracket, I happen to think my DK's bracket looks pretty good. All the teams are OR and WA, and all of them are Premier level in OR or RCL Div 1/2. Close to home, solid competition, fun. Not bad, I'll take it for local tourney easily. And there are quite a few brackets that look like that.

                            Let's also remember, not all of our kids are playing Premier level soccer. Talking soccer posters tend to be parents of Premier level players. So there is a lot of bashing on the quality of tournaments. My opinion is that if your DK's team is the ****, yes, you probably need to find a tournament or 2 out of town that gets you that rock star competition. But I also like to find a local tourney or 2 that is close and gets our team a little fun competition. The Clash will give that to us this year.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              And that Thusc and Eastside tournys are so unattractive that no one is willing to drive to them.
                              Thusc gave out real meadal where i think i got this one last yea and my sister the year before plastic.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                High school division has Eastside Timbers 97 (2nd in State) Crossfire Oregon 96, formerly OSSA (1st in state) , Washington Timbers 97 Red (ranked #4 in Washington, Southside Stealth 98 (2nd in State) ........seems like you really don't know what a top team is....
                                I can tell you that OSSA 96 is not excited to play some ok 97 teams and a division 1 '98 team.

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