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This issue has been brewing for awhile. There always has been an issue with too many tournaments in too few weeks around here. I dont think FC has re instituted their tournament in July, but that reduction in supply is probably not enough. One unintended consequence of the OPL..... Back in the day, you wanted to play plenty of tournaments to get sharp for qualifiers. Now that you dont do that, seems like teams want to dial it back and play Beaverton Cup and maybe go to Seattle to play someone other than the usual suspects. The losers, all the local touraments who mostly now just hope to cover costs, certainly not make any money.
Always an Issue at HS ages... diminished interest, fewer teams, flat out soccer burn out, but what do you expect when most of these kids started playing at 5. Nothing neat about playing in the Border Clash for the umpteenth time.
Look at Crossfire's registered teams.... dominated by WA teams. So they have issues with playing the old usual suspects too.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAfter looking at some of the age groups, it looks like a tourny that any decent team took a pass on. In the HS Girls division, it's laughable. You have 95s through 98s all playing each other. And none of them are top teams. We could put our B team in there and easily make it to the finals and probably win it. And the only way they would play is if it were offered for free. Top teams from OR, WA, CA, ID, AK? Hardly. Mediocre to crummy teams from OR and WA. Go to this for free or pay big bucks to travel to a good tourney? I'd take the latter. Time during the summer is too precious.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHigh school division has Eastside Timbers 97 (2nd in State) Crossfire Oregon 96, formerly OSSA (1st in state) , Washington Timbers 97 Red (ranked #4 in Washington, Southside Stealth 98 (2nd in State) ........seems like you really don't know what a top team is....
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPlease let us know what those teams have done outside of Oregon. And funny that you had to get four age groups to make one division. What a hodge podge. I'm sure OSSA 96 will have a lot of fun playing Stealth. Top teams, hardly.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYour tourney sucks, OK?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostTruly don't care about the HS bracket anyway. I can tell you that many of the brackets on the boys side are more than solid, half of the girls brackets are solid. It's not my tourney anyway, but you still sound like a fool.
The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.
Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOK, maybe he didn't handle it in the right way, but the point is still valid. This tournament isn't good and the area should be trying to develop a truly good tournament to attract top quality teams. If you think about it, Portland is perfectly situated to attract teams from around the area being in the middle of Seattle and northern California, close to Boise (OK, maybe not top quality but at least could draw from there), etc.
The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.
Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...
NWCL has really killed seattle teams traveling down. In the past the top seattle teams would travel down to play our teams, even though they usually dominated them it was the only time they would get a chance to play them. Now iwth NWCL they get to play them regardless so they don't need to do any tournaments down here. In my opinion This is the biggest factor.
With few seattle teams coming down, california teams don't see the value you coming up to play. They have enough quality tournaments around that they don't need to come up here for competition.
The truth is if we had a deeper better pool of teams in portland the seattle teams would come down more often to get the competition. But their best games are against their own local teams, and they have soo many clubs up north that they get a decent variety.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOK, maybe he didn't handle it in the right way, but the point is still valid. This tournament isn't good and the area should be trying to develop a truly good tournament to attract top quality teams. If you think about it, Portland is perfectly situated to attract teams from around the area being in the middle of Seattle and northern California, close to Boise (OK, maybe not top quality but at least could draw from there), etc.
The problem is still that the local clubs don't work together to make a true premier level tournament. Too many money-grubbing clubs trying to get water from a rock and host poorly ran tournaments. The solution is easy at a high-level, difficult when you get the TA teams all wanting their own tournament and using back-door/McMenamins deals to try and fill their tournaments.
Until some coorperation happens or teams stop attending these tournaments (even for free), nothing will change. But, for all of us to complain yet send our teams is kind of like complaining about your body shape if you are unwilling to change your behavior to fix it. I just hope there is some good 'ol target practice being done this weekend near Harmony, I need the full affect while watching soccer there. Maybe a good fundraiser would be to sell either hunter-orange vests or ear-plugs at the tournament? Man, I should be in marketing...
Let's also remember, not all of our kids are playing Premier level soccer. Talking soccer posters tend to be parents of Premier level players. So there is a lot of bashing on the quality of tournaments. My opinion is that if your DK's team is the ****, yes, you probably need to find a tournament or 2 out of town that gets you that rock star competition. But I also like to find a local tourney or 2 that is close and gets our team a little fun competition. The Clash will give that to us this year.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHigh school division has Eastside Timbers 97 (2nd in State) Crossfire Oregon 96, formerly OSSA (1st in state) , Washington Timbers 97 Red (ranked #4 in Washington, Southside Stealth 98 (2nd in State) ........seems like you really don't know what a top team is....
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