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This is great

[QUOTE=Unregistered;891440]IErik sent out an email stating that over 90% of the selection process comes from the odp roster. QUOTE]

You go Erik ! $$$$$$

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Oregon ODP is so messed up. I see kids on B teams make the roster over A team players, kids who don't show up at tryouts suddenly show up for practice, kids who should make the traveling roster get cut, etc. This will be my son's last year doing Odp. As the other posters commented, if my child's good and if they want him he will make it no matter what. He will just do club and train privately until the Timbers tryouts next year. He will be ready even if I don't shell out the dough to have him train with elite Odp coaches and play on traveling teams. Thank you.

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This is the kind of thing that PISSES me off. Don't make it to holdover yet attend National Camp? What sort of b.s. is this? Are you sure about this? I don't know any boy from the 97 or 98 squad that went to National Camp this route.

Different coaches see different things. Making holdover camp should never be a condition of an invitation. If the national coaches think a player is good enough to invite to national camp that's enough. Look at this way, what if the regional coaches had it wrong? The player they didn't select should be shut out even if the national coaches disagreed? That makes no sense.

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Different coaches see different things. Making holdover camp should never be a condition of an invitation. If the national coaches think a player is good enough to invite to national camp that's enough. Look at this way, what if the regional coaches had it wrong? The player they didn't select should be shut out even if the national coaches disagreed? That makes no sense.

Well said.

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Is national team camp different from national team tryouts?

From looking at the website for the U-17/19 national team tryouts there is no ODP participation required. It is an invitational only tryout/camp based on coaches referring you.

Just because someone makes their state or regional team doesn't mean they are worthy of the national level. I can see why better players might show up at national camp even if they didn't participate locally or regionally. The best should be who represents our nation not some kid whose parents shelled out the dough to ODP.

I guess the question we should all ask ourselves is my child really good enough to be a national level player. If so then pay ODP to help funnel your kid there. If not then maybe save your money or enjoy ODP for what it is.

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Is national team camp different from national team tryouts?

From looking at the website for the U-17/19 national team tryouts there is no ODP participation required. It is an invitational only tryout/camp based on coaches referring you.

Just because someone makes their state or regional team doesn't mean they are worthy of the national level. I can see why better players might show up at national camp even if they didn't participate locally or regionally. The best should be who represents our nation not some kid whose parents shelled out the dough to ODP.

I guess the question we should all ask ourselves is my child really good enough to be a national level player. If so then pay ODP to help funnel your kid there. If not then maybe save your money or enjoy ODP for what it is.

The only problems is if you're not playing on a team that attends showcase tourneys or is that successful in general, exposure is pretty limited. This is why parents pay the big bucks to have their kid do Odp thinking that they'll have a shot. Believe me, most of the kids on Odp are NOT from wealthy families. Quite the contrary. It is definitely a big sacrifice for many.

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The only problems is if you're not playing on a team that attends showcase tourneys or is that successful in general, exposure is pretty limited. This is why parents pay the big bucks to have their kid do Odp thinking that they'll have a shot. Believe me, most of the kids on Odp are NOT from wealthy families. Quite the contrary. It is definitely a big sacrifice for many.

I wasn't trying to say that the ODP kids come from wealthy families. I was pointing out that just because we as a parent pay out money to ODP doesn't assure that our child is even close to the level of national camp. It only means our child was one of the top 18 who tried out for ODP. When it comes to regional camp or national camp- if a player is identified who has or hasn't participated at the local level and they are truly regional or national level players that is who should go. Just because your an ODP paid player doesn't make you the best.

ODP coaches are trying to up the level of players they refer on so that they won't become jokes to the other coaches (other states/national coaches). I think their frustration is that the majority of the players picked at tryouts were the best there but are not the best in state anymore and would not represent our region well. There are a few who remain top level players but they are the minority. Hence, ODP coaches are referring non-ODP players who can be referred to as top area players.

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You don't know how right you are!

Different coaches see different things. Making holdover camp should never be a condition of an invitation. If the national coaches think a player is good enough to invite to national camp that's enough. Look at this way, what if the regional coaches had it wrong? The player they didn't select should be shut out even if the national coaches disagreed? That makes no sense.

Jerry Smith, who in addition to being the head coach for the Santa Clara girls team, is the Western Regional ODP coaching coordinator acknowledged that they have a selection problem that promotes players based upon their reputations to holdover camps and miss growth of other ODP participants and worse yet players not in the ODP system at all.

The current ODP process is the logical result of pay to play AND the revolving door of player evaluators.

In addition to free evaluation camps all players need to have blind evaluations based upon a standardized skill set and minimum game IQ. That in addition to hiring a permanent professional evaluation staff would go along way to putting the best players each year in National team uniforms.

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Jerry Smith, who in addition to being the head coach for the Santa Clara girls team, is the Western Regional ODP coaching coordinator acknowledged that they have a selection problem that promotes players based upon their reputations to holdover camps and miss growth of other ODP participants and worse yet players not in the ODP system at all.

The current ODP process is the logical result of pay to play AND the revolving door of player evaluators.

In addition to free evaluation camps all players need to have blind evaluations based upon a standardized skill set and minimum game IQ. That in addition to hiring a permanent professional evaluation staff would go along way to putting the best players each year in National team uniforms.

I agree!!

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Jerry Smith, who in addition to being the head coach for the Santa Clara girls team, is the Western Regional ODP coaching coordinator acknowledged that they have a selection problem that promotes players based upon their reputations to holdover camps and miss growth of other ODP participants and worse yet players not in the ODP system at all.

The current ODP process is the logical result of pay to play AND the revolving door of player evaluators.

In addition to free evaluation camps all players need to have blind evaluations based upon a standardized skill set and minimum game IQ. That in addition to hiring a permanent professional evaluation staff would go along way to putting the best players each year in National team uniforms.

So true and the reason that ODP is falling apart. If they don't value their own selection process then even those qualified individuals that can afford the process will abandon it.

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So true and the reason that ODP is falling apart. If they don't value their own selection process then even those qualified individuals that can afford the process will abandon it.

Many of the good talent already have walked away,majority of them on the girls side.

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Many of the good talent already have walked away,majority of them on the girls side.

Your daughter is just one player. ONE....and she surely is NOT one of the top players. Who are you kidding ?

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I bet the poster is referring to the 96s. For whatever reasons many of the starters chose not to continue. Oddly enough some of them were on the regional team and one even made it to the national team. I think that part of the problem is that when a couple of really good players quit the team remaining is not as good. This leads to others quitting and before you know it the team is no better than an average club team. Combine that with the recent changes in ODP where Oregon no longer participates with So. California and it is simply not as attractive.

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Unless the player is benefiting as a player (ie, getting better) through ODP participation it should not matter one bit whether the player has prior ODP experience. The DA should select the players who either are or have the potential to be top players. While those two things (ODP and being a top player) can go together, they don't necessarily have to. There are many players who don't do ODP for one reason or another that are just as deserving of a fair look during DA selection than those who chose to support ODP. Not that I think it would happen, but if 90% of the selection was outside ODP but nonetheless deserving of selection, the only reason you'd have for being upset is that you got hooked for money by ODP/Timbers and that's the problem.

You are 100% correct that making the ODP team should not be a pre-requisite to making the Academy team. I would hope that most people agree with that. The Academy wants the best, regardless. That said, I do see it as a feather in your cap when it comes time to selecting the Academy team. If you have made the state ODP team and you are up against a fairly equal non ODP player, the slot will likely go to the ODP player. All I'm saying is that if you chose not to do ODP for whatever reason, and then expect to make the Academy team, you better go out there and knock their socks off during the Academy selection.

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Your daughter is just one player. ONE....and she surely is NOT one of the top players. Who are you kidding ?

Did someone hit a nerve? It is true many of the talent on 96s and several on 97s have quit ODP.