OPL Fall

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Oh really. I know the forum you are speaking. It's easy to lob a grossly generalized comment like that. Why don't you share a couple of examples for us?

I appologize if that comes across confrontational. I just think you are talking about something different than what this thread has been discussing. We all know Crossfire and Wa Premier have a lot of power and they most certainly have pull when it comes to making the rules, changeing the rules, or whatever politics that may come with it. That said, when it comes to setting the RCL Divisions, relegation, and promotion the rules are very clear. In my years in the RCL, I never had a beef with that part of the RCL and I rarely heard any complaints from others either. I cannot say that with the OPL. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Many people are frustrated, and I feel rightly so.

Wow so you never had a beef with the RCL and didn't hear many that did? Well that must mean that no one else ever has as I'm sure they all came to you with their problems.

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Oh really. I know the forum you are speaking. It's easy to lob a grossly generalized comment like that. Why don't you share a couple of examples for us?

I'm not the person you responded too but I also remember reading about RCL problems. Didn't spend much time looking but right off the bat here's some examples:


http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,16363.0.html

http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,21330.0.html

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I'm not the person you responded too but I also remember reading about RCL problems. Didn't spend much time looking but right off the bat here's some examples:


http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,16363.0.html

http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,21330.0.html

The first example is very old (years), and the second example is someone's misunderstanding of a clear rule. But I will still give you the first one. That one does appear to be legit beef. It doesn't change anything for me though.

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I'm not the person you responded too but I also remember reading about RCL problems. Didn't spend much time looking but right off the bat here's some examples:


http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,16363.0.html

http://washingtonpremiersoccer.com/f...c,21330.0.html

There are always problems and controversies with these types of schemes. The complaint in the first thread was caused by a decision by the RCL to go to standard 8 team divisions which necessitated moving some teams down a division and not promoting other teams. It was a one time adjustment that needed to happen to balance league scheduling. The second thread deals with non-RCL teams trying to gain entry to the lower RCL divisions via the Open Cup and then complaining that once they were in they didn't have the ability to be promoted. The obvious solution is to move the team to an RCL club but people tend not to want to do the obvious...

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Wow so you never had a beef with the RCL and didn't hear many that did? Well that must mean that no one else ever has as I'm sure they all came to you with their problems.

That's your come back? I didn't say that there has never been any one else ever in the history of the RCL that has had a problem with the system. What I said was is that I have had years in the RCL and I did not have any issue and neither did any of my connections with placement, promotion, and relegation. That said, I have had a shorter connection time to the OPL, and I have had issues, people I know have had issues, and certainly, from this forum, many others have had issues. If you don't believe that is worthwhile data then that's that. I cannot fix close minded and rigid.

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There are always problems and controversies with these types of schemes. The complaint in the first thread was caused by a decision by the RCL to go to standard 8 team divisions which necessitated moving some teams down a division and not promoting other teams. It was a one time adjustment that needed to happen to balance league scheduling. The second thread deals with non-RCL teams trying to gain entry to the lower RCL divisions via the Open Cup and then complaining that once they were in they didn't have the ability to be promoted. The obvious solution is to move the team to an RCL club but people tend not to want to do the obvious...

So a team that is non-RCL can't move up even if they earn it? They would have to move their entire team to a new club? Sounds worse than the OPL as in order to move up you have to be in one of the big RCL clubs (sounds like the Big 8)

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So a team that is non-RCL can't move up even if they earn it? They would have to move their entire team to a new club? Sounds worse than the OPL as in order to move up you have to be in one of the big RCL clubs (sounds like the Big 8)

Except that it's the Big 19 right now. Only 1 RCL club per association is the rule in Washington. If you've got a great team at a non-RCL club (ie. FC Salmon Creek) you need to move to your association's RCL club if you want to play in the RCL. If you don't want to move, you can play in your district league (which is the PML for this area) or join a US Club league (ie. OPL or PSPL). That's just the way it is. It's the accepted practice and, outside of Issaquah and Spokane, there really isn't much complaining about it.

It comes down to limiting the number of "Premier" clubs so as not to dilute the talent too much. Oregon allows infinite dilution, BC limits the number of "Premier" clubs to 8 for the whole province, and WA is somewhere in between.

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Yet another exception. Funny, RCL doesn't have this odd U11 to U12 exception. The problem is we have now heard throughout this thread examples which equate to a lengthy list of exceptions. It's these exceptions that cause people to scrutinize and feel like the process is unfair. When my DK played in the RCL, I don't recal much of any ill will towards the rules (or those that make them) because they were clear, fair, and no exceptions.

Do you think that maybe the person from Sherwood at U12 is mistaken or was told the wrong information by their DOC? Could that be plausible? The OPL has done U11 to U12 the same the past 2 years at least. They have taken the top 8 from Premier at U11 and moved them to Premier at U12. Seems pretty consistent to me, the only people that complain are the ones that might have been given incorrect information from their DOC.

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Do you think that maybe the person from Sherwood at U12 is mistaken or was told the wrong information by their DOC? Could that be plausible? The OPL has done U11 to U12 the same the past 2 years at least. They have taken the top 8 from Premier at U11 and moved them to Premier at U12. Seems pretty consistent to me, the only people that complain are the ones that might have been given incorrect information from their DOC.

Read the Rules, you win D1 you promote.

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Read the Rules, you win D1 you promote.

Not for U12. When there are more than 8 teams at U11 it doesn't work the same way. Our DOC made that clear to us.

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Wow it kind of makes you long for the days where teams qualified each year with the State Cup Semi-finalists getting automatic seeding. At least there was a chance for teams to change positions...IMHO earning your spot in league each year also brings some credibility to the whole system...just saying

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Politics & Reputations

Wow it kind of makes you long for the days where teams qualified each year with the State Cup Semi-finalists getting automatic seeding. At least there was a chance for teams to change positions...IMHO earning your spot in league each year also brings some credibility to the whole system...just saying

The current system relies too much on the politics and influence of the DOC's and a teams PREVIOUS reputation regardless of the current roster or the off season improvement. The qualification process is a "cleaner" way to determine the current abilities of the teams.

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Honestly the top 5 are (no order) Bridlmile, EMFC, and the 3 Westside teams. The Vancouver teams are usually their B teams and not as much of a threat. They're still good, mainly when they swing down players. Other than that, the top 4 are what I first wrote.

U12G BSC and EMFC (D1 teams this coming fall) are in Semi's of U12 Premier division Mt Hood tomorrow after getting wins over Premier teams: THUSC, NEU and Clackamas. It is just a summer tourney but still does show the strength of D1 U12 this fall and the parody between D1 and Premier.

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U12G BSC and EMFC (D1 teams this coming fall) are in Semi's of U12 Premier division Mt Hood tomorrow after getting wins over Premier teams: THUSC, NEU and Clackamas. It is just a summer tourney but still does show the strength of D1 U12 this fall and the parody between D1 and Premier.

More support for going back to the days of a qualifying tournament?

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More support for going back to the days of a qualifying tournament?

Nope...