Academy Rosters

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Ignoring previous poster, because its always the same, nothing to say just wants attention. Back on topic.... "Academy U16's" they have had some success, we are happy to be part of the program, too bad they've had some bad games recently, certainly doesn't define them or the program. They will continue to get better and of course we all know that losing a few is how improvement happens in the long run.

Winning is good. Losing is not good... ever. Learn from mistakes, not from losing. I believe the team is weak mentally and selfish; not everyone but enough to hurt results.

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I was banned and man do I feel good !!!!!!!!!!

:) I feel good too

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Winning is good. Losing is not good... ever. Learn from mistakes, not from losing. I believe the team is weak mentally and selfish; not everyone but enough to hurt results.

Winning and losing can both be positive. Winning tends to enforce existing habits. Losing tends to push you to change and learn new habits (if managed correctly). If one's objective is to beat your chest about being the best losing sucks, but if you are truly about growth development and getting better, losing is often the mechanism that catalyzes this sort of growth.

If you are scared to lose, you will never grow.

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Winning is good. Losing is not good... ever. Learn from mistakes, not from losing. I believe the team is weak mentally and selfish; not everyone but enough to hurt results.

Haven't seen them play so have no opinion on why the seem to be struggling. However, it seems like it would be a good idea for Timbers to tone down the self congratulatory press until they've established more of a track record.

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However, it seems like it would be a good idea for Timbers to tone down the self congratulatory press until they've established more of a track record.

Ah, but look who is in the drivers seat...GW is the king of self promotion...

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Winning and losing can both be positive. Winning tends to enforce existing habits. Losing tends to push you to change and learn new habits (if managed correctly). If one's objective is to beat your chest about being the best losing sucks, but if you are truly about growth development and getting better, losing is often the mechanism that catalyzes this sort of growth.

If you are scared to lose, you will never grow.

Maybe. If the objective is to develop into the best team or player you can be, winning is usually the test of whether you're actually achieving your development goal. Otherwise it's usually just happy talk or an excuse for poor performance.

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Maybe. If the objective is to develop into the best team or player you can be, winning is usually the test of whether you're actually achieving your development goal. Otherwise it's usually just happy talk or an excuse for poor performance.

...and at what age would this be at? If you have a young player, God help them!!

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...and at what age would this be at? If you have a young player, God help them!!

I've coached young players for years. The DA isn't young. U8, U10 or U12 is young. U16 and U18 is the end of the line of high level play for most players-even at the academy level. If testing development through winning isn't a goal by then, just when do you propose that it should be? At some point the "it's all about development" is just an excuse for non-performance at either the player or coach level or both.

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I've coached young players for years. The DA isn't young. U8, U10 or U12 is young. U16 and U18 is the end of the line of high level play for most players-even at the academy level. If testing development through winning isn't a goal by then, just when do you propose that it should be? At some point the "it's all about development" is just an excuse for non-performance at either the player or coach level or both.

Coaches and programs that suck use losing as a "we are making progress, or getting better" It is BS, either you are winning and are good, or you are not, (suck). For whatever reason the U-16's suck right now. They have been very good under the WSM flag and I suspect will be good again (one would hope) The U-18's stink and one game under .500 is about where they should be, I suspose.

Any team flying a MLS patch playing against "pay to play" DA teams should beat, and beat badly those teams. The Timbers are investing a ton of cash into the program and need results or need to make coaching and or player changes. Return on investment is critical.

For another topic where are the Timbers getting this money? OPL registration. Sounds like the OYSA/ODP program we had.

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Coaches and programs that suck use losing as a "we are making progress, or getting better" It is BS, either you are winning and are good, or you are not, (suck). For whatever reason the U-16's suck right now. They have been very good under the WSM flag and I suspect will be good again (one would hope) The U-18's stink and one game under .500 is about where they should be, I suspose.

Any team flying a MLS patch playing against "pay to play" DA teams should beat, and beat badly those teams. The Timbers are investing a ton of cash into the program and need results or need to make coaching and or player changes. Return on investment is critical.

For another topic where are the Timbers getting this money? OPL registration. Sounds like the OYSA/ODP program we had.

I dont think they are investing a "ton" of cash. The U23's may be a bigger money loser. The DA is a money loser for sure though in and of itself, but i am guessing there are plenty of other charges out there to the local youth community that are offsetting it.... and more. It better be as the Women's team will be an "investment" too.

At end of day, if the Mens side wins, its all good. GW OUT.

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Coaches and programs that suck use losing as a "we are making progress, or getting better" It is BS, either you are winning and are good, or you are not, (suck). For whatever reason the U-16's suck right now. They have been very good under the WSM flag and I suspect will be good again (one would hope) The U-18's stink and one game under .500 is about where they should be, I suspose.

Any team flying a MLS patch playing against "pay to play" DA teams should beat, and beat badly those teams. The Timbers are investing a ton of cash into the program and need results or need to make coaching and or player changes. Return on investment is critical.

For another topic where are the Timbers getting this money? OPL registration. Sounds like the OYSA/ODP program we had.

WOW, another interesting post from a parent of player that didnt make the roster or who's kid is riding the pine.

I always find it entertaining to read comments like yours. Your true feelings and emotions shine through so bright and clear.

"If my lil Johnny was playing more, things would be different. He never used to sit on the bench at WST and should be a star here too"

You should get back to work, counting all the dollars your not spending on soccer now, figuring out a way to get your son into a college using the accomplishment he has earned being on this team.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;898773]WOW, another interesting post from a parent of player that didnt make the roster or who's kid is riding the pine.

I always find it entertaining to read comments like yours. Your true feelings and emotions shine through so bright and clear.

"If my lil Johnny was playing more, things would be different. He never used to sit on the bench at WST and should be a star here too"

(Seriously.... You again?) Same rhetoric always jumping in to post about someone's kid not playing or didn't make the cut, just because an opinion is stated about the team or program.
Go away ~ Back on topic..... The U16's have not done well. It's a fact. Timbers need to start showing results in the DA.

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WOW, another interesting post from a parent of player that didnt make the roster or who's kid is riding the pine.

I always find it entertaining to read comments like yours. Your true feelings and emotions shine through so bright and clear.

"If my lil Johnny was playing more, things would be different. He never used to sit on the bench at WST and should be a star here too"

(Seriously.... You again?) Same rhetoric always jumping in to post about someone's kid not playing or didn't make the cut, just because an opinion is stated about the team or program.
Go away ~ Back on topic..... The U16's have not done well. It's a fact. Timbers need to start showing results in the DA.

Agree. It's a little weird--and defensive.

When an organization makes repeated statements that it took all the "best" players (instantly demoting any of the kids who didn't make the teams and empowering Mr. "your kid didn't make the grade"), then denigrates both high school soccer teams and coaches, and tells everyone that its coaching and training is so much much better than what was previously offered, that organization is bound to take some criticism when the results don't appear to support the talk. That's particularly true when all the talk started before they'd ever played a game. It goes with the territory. Hopefully they'll learn a little humility and get things turned around.

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WOW, another interesting post from a parent of player that didnt make the roster or who's kid is riding the pine.

I always find it entertaining to read comments like yours. Your true feelings and emotions shine through so bright and clear.

"If my lil Johnny was playing more, things would be different. He never used to sit on the bench at WST and should be a star here too"

(Seriously.... You again?) Same rhetoric always jumping in to post about someone's kid not playing or didn't make the cut, just because an opinion is stated about the team or program.
Go away ~ Back on topic..... The U16's have not done well. It's a fact. Timbers need to start showing results in the DA.

Oh wise OB-1-Kanobee...do tell us all how "You" think things should be run ? Were all ears. So far all weve heard from you is "dang that guy that keeps popping up here, and the U16's still do stink and they should do something about it"

Stop talking (chit) and start acting. Why are "YOU" looking for answers, especially here ? This is NOT the Timbers DA forum. Nobody from the Timbers is listening to you. Your only trying to stroke you ego and we all know it. Pick up the phone, pitch your gripe to someone that can make a difference.

Otherwise...........You Go Away !

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Winning and losing can both be positive. Winning tends to enforce existing habits. Losing tends to push you to change and learn new habits (if managed correctly). If one's objective is to beat your chest about being the best losing sucks, but if you are truly about growth development and getting better, losing is often the mechanism that catalyzes this sort of growth.

If you are scared to lose, you will never grow.

Spoken like someone who is used to losing.?.?.? This is not intended to insult or create name calling, but I believe that losing is a habit, and when you embrace it you accept it - think that it is okay. Nobody wins all the time and losing can be used to fix the problems that exist and will keep you from being complacent, etc., but it is also a sign that you have problems. The goal shold be to eliminate those! I think I get what you're saying though and agree with the assertion that losing can promote growth, but winning is still better.