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And you know the Crossfire assistants, right?? As well as Eastside, right? Because you are so knowledgeable about Washington soccer?

PDX has plenty of good assistants as well. Just take a look at LO and FC Portland's coaching line up.

Agreed. The original poster doesn't have any facts. Having kids in FC for many years and following the club I can tell you there are at least 5 Former FC coaches that are now living in Seattle 3 coach for Crossfire, 1 at Wash Premier, 1 at Eastside. Apparently those revered clubs have a different opinion about our coaches than the writer

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Look for yourself

Agreed. The original poster doesn't have any facts. Having kids in FC for many years and following the club I can tell you there are at least 5 Former FC coaches that are now living in Seattle 3 coach for Crossfire, 1 at Wash Premier, 1 at Eastside. Apparently those revered clubs have a different opinion about our coaches than the writer

Look for yourself and tell me what you see?

http://www.washingtonpremierfc.com/coaches/index_E.html

http://www.crossfiresoccer.org/Coaches/index_E.html

https://eastsidefc.org/our-coaches-new/

Yes there are good coaches here in PDX but the volume can not compare to these clubs.

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That actually proves the point

Agreed. The original poster doesn't have any facts. Having kids in FC for many years and following the club I can tell you there are at least 5 Former FC coaches that are now living in Seattle 3 coach for Crossfire, 1 at Wash Premier, 1 at Eastside. Apparently those revered clubs have a different opinion about our coaches than the writer

Doesn't the movement of the few FC coaches to the Seattle clubs actually back up the posters claim that the best/better coaches do move North and yet only a few can make the cut?

I think his/her point is that they simply have more within each club. The better clubs up there attract the better coaches while down here we spread ours out too thin and are unable to compensate them to be full time so that the odds of getting a good coach in any particular club is not as great as the more successful clubs up there! Again just like talent it's a numbers game.

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Look for yourself and tell me what you see? http://www.washingtonpremierfc.com/coaches/index_E.html http://www.crossfiresoccer.org/Coaches/index_E.html https://eastsidefc.org/our-coaches-new/ Yes there are good coaches here in PDX but the volume can not compare to these clubs.

I did see... go check out the background for the coaches as FC, LO, and OSSA and tell me why Crossfire is so much better. My daughter plays U11 and I pulled out Crossfire's U11 coachs biography. See link: http://www.crossfiresoccer.org/bios/...s/index_E.html How is this guy's profile any better then what we have in Oregon. He is an "E" licensed coach. We had rec coaches who were E license. For some reason you are in love with Seattle soccer. If they are so much better you should just have your child play for one of these clubs. Do what Clint Dempsey did and drive 3 hours to practice. It will all be worth it since your kid will play professional soccer some day and the coaching pool is so much deeper in Seattle. Even if your kid only makes the "C" team they will get the best coaching.

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Doesn't the movement of the few FC coaches to the Seattle clubs actually back up the posters claim that the best/better coaches do move North and yet only a few can make the cut? I think his/her point is that they simply have more within each club. The better clubs up there attract the better coaches while down here we spread ours out too thin and are unable to compensate them to be full time so that the odds of getting a good coach in any particular club is not as great as the more successful clubs up there! Again just like talent it's a numbers game.

Why would you say those are the best FC coaches or support claims about better or best coaches moving North to Seattle. These are coaches that for one reason or another moved up to Seattle. The fact is that they are Oregon coaches and good enough to coach in Seattle. Other then a DOC... very few coaches in Oregon or Washington can support themselves by just coaching full time.

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I did see... go check out the background for the coaches as FC, LO, and OSSA and tell me why Crossfire is so much better. My daughter plays U11 and I pulled out Crossfire's U11 coachs biography. See link: http://www.crossfiresoccer.org/bios/...s/index_E.html How is this guy's profile any better then what we have in Oregon. He is an "E" licensed coach. We had rec coaches who were E license. For some reason you are in love with Seattle soccer. If they are so much better you should just have your child play for one of these clubs. Do what Clint Dempsey did and drive 3 hours to practice. It will all be worth it since your kid will play professional soccer some day and the coaching pool is so much deeper in Seattle. Even if your kid only makes the "C" team they will get the best coaching.

A more thorough examination of their coaching roster would show you that they have THREE GU11 coaches one B, one C and one E licensed coach.

This example PROVES the point I have been trying to get through to you here and that is with consolidation younger and less experienced coaches get to be mentored by better trained and more experienced coaches. Tell me in what Portland area club other than OSSA can an E level coach get age specific training with TWO more experienced coaches?

You can argue about the quality of coaching here in Portland all you want but the fact is only BSC has a substantial number of A licensed coaches on staff. The rest may have experienced and likable coaches but only a few A or even B and C level coaches for all the age groups of both sexes. And yes the rating level matters because the training required to get the certification is waaaaaay beyond what one gets just putting in the time on the bench particularly when it comes to tactical training, which is one of our states weaknesses!

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A more thorough examination of their coaching roster would show you that they have THREE GU11 coaches one B, one C and one E licensed coach. This example PROVES the point I have been trying to get through to you here and that is with consolidation younger and less experienced coaches get to be mentored by better trained and more experienced coaches. Tell me in what Portland area club other than OSSA can an E level coach get age specific training with TWO more experienced coaches? You can argue about the quality of coaching here in Portland all you want but the fact is only BSC has a substantial number of A licensed coaches on staff. The rest may have experienced and likable coaches but only a few A or even B and C level coaches for all the age groups of both sexes. And yes the rating level matters because the training required to get the certification is waaaaaay beyond what one gets just putting in the time on the bench particularly when it comes to tactical training, which is one of our states weaknesses!

It does not take much to get an E license.

Again you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

First you are ranting about how great Crossfire is because they have all this high level coaching and that having a "A" license matters. If you look at the Crossfire Premier Coach's page, you see that their are only 6 "A" license coaches. There are plenty of "C", "D", and no license. Not saying that this all matters, but from scanning their profile I don't see how their coaches differ much from FC Portland, LO, and Bridlemile. You want to believe they are so you are pulling bull**** items to try to point this out.

If licensing is important to you then take a look at the coaches for LO's Jr. Program (U9 and U10)

http://www.losc.org/home.php?layout=1045

4 "A" License
2 "B" License

Not sure how you come up with Crossfire has better coaches and more quality per player. Yes they have more coaches, but that comes with having more kids.

Also, FC Portland has 3 coaches per age group. The head coach per age group's job is to mentor the younger coaches.

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Since when did rolling ankles come into the argument of field usage. That has more to do with genetics, muscular efficiency, and structural alignment than it does the field.

The great US National Women's team that won the WC in the 90's grew up playing on crap fields. None of them are complaining. Honestly there is much that can be beneficial at times with training on grass fields and difficult surfaces.

Turf fields are nice, primarily because of the year round training opportunities and the ability to prepare on a surface that you will be competing on in a future competition.

Rec soccer is not year round, nor does it travel out of state, and the surface consistency/preparation is not needed. More than anything, it will hurt a rec soccer program to practice on turf and then compete on grass. The players of this caliber are playing this level, because either they're never going to be able to differentiate their play or they never will NEED to learn for whatever reasons. More than anything, giving turf field to a couple selective rec clubs will hurt them more than help.

Focus on what's important. Develop your coaches, create your identity, find success in areas that are much greater than the size of your club. If you really want to shake up the soccer world, create your own Futsal club within. There is not a shortage on gyms, parking lots, tennis courts, and flat surfaces. All areas that are incredible to develop the highest levels of players.

Agreement on all points.

I also need to mention that the Aloha SC supporters neglect to consider year-round use of THPRD Terpenning turf fields is not solely filled to accommodate two classic soccer clubs. Why were they and the KGW reporter irresponsible enough to disregard lacrosse, football,adult leagues, rec high school soccer, high school-scheduled games, et al? If now-Mayor Doyle, as the former city council member had not been proactive in supporting and encouraging sports altogether in consideration for voter-allocated funding, sports programs would have been overridden by opponents more vested in hiking trails, etc. I have voted and paid my taxes for over 25 years, and am well aware of the processes involved. Shame on the few who are negligent in providing all of the facts.

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Thanks for proving my point....again!

It does not take much to get an E license.

Again you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

First you are ranting about how great Crossfire is because they have all this high level coaching and that having a "A" license matters. If you look at the Crossfire Premier Coach's page, you see that their are only 6 "A" license coaches. There are plenty of "C", "D", and no license. Not saying that this all matters, but from scanning their profile I don't see how their coaches differ much from FC Portland, LO, and Bridlemile. You want to believe they are so you are pulling bull**** items to try to point this out.

If licensing is important to you then take a look at the coaches for LO's Jr. Program (U9 and U10)

http://www.losc.org/home.php?layout=1045

4 "A" License
2 "B" License

Not sure how you come up with Crossfire has better coaches and more quality per player. Yes they have more coaches, but that comes with having more kids.

Also, FC Portland has 3 coaches per age group. The head coach per age group's job is to mentor the younger coaches.

So how do those six coaches cover 7 girl and 7 boys teams?

If you merged the OSSA feeder clubs you would have near complete coverage and 3 fewer managers and more money to pay coaches. You can insist on living in the past or look to how the more successful clubs around the country operate.

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10 not 7

If they are saying they do the juniors too then they have to cover 10 teams not 7.

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So how do those six coaches cover 7 girl and 7 boys teams? If you merged the OSSA feeder clubs you would have near complete coverage and 3 fewer managers and more money to pay coaches. You can insist on living in the past or look to how the more successful clubs around the country operate.

You are always going to have a target coach to player ratio. Coaching cost is a variable expense. The more kids you have the more coaches you have and therefore more coaching expense. Team managers are free. The only thing you save would be on the DOC fee since theoretically you need just one. But if your club gets big enough, you may need more. Example would be that Crossfire has an assistant DOC.

The way the big boys are doing it is thru corporate sponsorship which offset the costs. Training is expensive and I don't see a way to do it without some help. For some reason I do not see that in Oregon. None of the clubs in Oregon have that much money. Unless you tell me that a merger will get a big corporate sponsor to finance additional "premier" level training and playing opportunities, I don't see how the quality of training for the kids will be better.

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1. Thanks, and agreed.

2. Did get training, field bad, practice intense but good, tried other options, loved playing. Long story. My response was to your statement that your daughter deserves the better fields to prevent injury, well what about my kid?

3. Played k-8th grade, same core team/coach.

4. At least 1 plus others playing college!

5. Agreed, big mistake and just shows how trustworthy BK, AHS, BSD,THJSL/THPRD are and why it may take lawyers and a court to sort this out.

6. Again just responding to your comment when you said that your DD was better and deserved the better fields. What makes your DD more special than mine? The problem was amplified this spring when all of the grass fields were closed because of the wet.

Just try to understand the needs of many kids in THPRD including Aloha and SW Beaverton area!

THERE ARE NO NEEDS!!! This is all WANTS!!!

Grow up people and realize that there is more to life than field conditions, usage, and how "special" you feel your kid is!

"Special" kids are NOT entitled to ANYTHING! I strongly dislike both Westside and THUSC and still think that this whole thing is bull.

Somebody need to mobilize and "OCCUPY" group to Aloha so they realize what they truly have so they can stop whining.

Why can't poor kids that can't afford any rec soccer program use your fields during your practice hours??? because your kids are more special? NO.... BECAUSE YOU PAID FOR THEM AND RESERVED THEM. Do you know how many hispanic leagues and program would die to have more access to the grass fields that Aloha has? If you don't want you fields.... LEAVE! Let somebody else have them that actually appreciates what you have.

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Agreement on all points.

I also need to mention that the Aloha SC supporters neglect to consider year-round use of THPRD Terpenning turf fields is not solely filled to accommodate two classic soccer clubs. Why were they and the KGW reporter irresponsible enough to disregard lacrosse, football,adult leagues, rec high school soccer, high school-scheduled games, et al? If now-Mayor Doyle, as the former city council member had not been proactive in supporting and encouraging sports altogether in consideration for voter-allocated funding, sports programs would have been overridden by opponents more vested in hiking trails, etc. I have voted and paid my taxes for over 25 years, and am well aware of the processes involved. Shame on the few who are negligent in providing all of the facts.

Shame on Doyle for taking $50k of our money. Absurd for him to get 10% of the clubs REVENUES for the year.

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CLUB managers are not free

You are always going to have a target coach to player ratio. Coaching cost is a variable expense. The more kids you have the more coaches you have and therefore more coaching expense. Team managers are free. The only thing you save would be on the DOC fee since theoretically you need just one. But if your club gets big enough, you may need more. Example would be that Crossfire has an assistant DOC.

The way the big boys are doing it is thru corporate sponsorship which offset the costs. Training is expensive and I don't see a way to do it without some help. For some reason I do not see that in Oregon. None of the clubs in Oregon have that much money. Unless you tell me that a merger will get a big corporate sponsor to finance additional "premier" level training and playing opportunities, I don't see how the quality of training for the kids will be better.

We are not talking specifically about ratios but access to experience. Why are you arguing against having access to more experienced coaching?

BTW if none of the clubs in Oregon have that much money then why is LO paying not one but two of their coaches $100K.

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We are not talking specifically about ratios but access to experience. Why are you arguing against having access to more experienced coaching?

BTW if none of the clubs in Oregon have that much money then why is LO paying not one but two of their coaches $100K.

Because they are LO. Common sense anyone?