Tualatin Hills Fields

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Dear Crack Toker

"Through decade-long contracts, Westside and Tualatin Hills United locked up the rights to use or designate the "soccer-playing" time on synthetic fields. They pay $7 per hour for the fields, which is the same rate other teams pay on the rare occasions they get to play on the synthetic turf."

Synthetic being the key word you don't understand. Go take your rec player and find a strip of grass. That's all you will need since he won't be playing soccer past the age of 10 when he discovers the skateboard parks.

You've either not read them or you're on medications (legal or otherwise)... maybe both.

The first step you should take is to admit you have problem and then seek some professional help.

Also leaving school in the 2nd grade was probably not your best career move. However I think your friends at THPRD can hook you up on some remedial reading classes which should allow you to be able to read and understand basic English in, well I was going to say a short amount of time but given the response that you gave... ummm OK! Well anyway

Good Luck!

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Yes!!! THUSC hace the same opportunity. They practice on the SAME turf fields. Ask TA which teams he chose to place on them.

THUSC does not have the same opportunity. WST has more time and pays less per hour than THUSC.

Coincidentally, WSW is also on the field contracts with THPRD. This report neglected to mention that. They even pay less than THUSC.

WSW/WST are up to no good on the West side.

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You've either not read them or you're on medications (legal or otherwise)... maybe both.

The first step you should take is to admit you have problem and then seek some professional help.

Also leaving school in the 2nd grade was probably not your best career move. However I think your friends at THPRD can hook you up on some remedial reading classes which should allow you to be able to read and understand basic English in, well I was going to say a short amount of time but given the response that you gave... ummm OK! Well anyway

Good Luck!

Well Paul Blackmore, maybe next time you will take your head out of your butt and get organized so that your club can get a contract. Better yet, just negotiate with WST or THUSC to get your sorry ass club absorbed so that Portland has one less piss ant club to fighting for field time. And it's clear that you are Paul Blackmore since you care so much and since you've taken the time to go read the contracts. Actually, someone likely had to read them to you since you are too stupid to read them yourself.

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Oh, Ok, then all public areas outside of where you live are off limits to you since you don't pay taxes there. Unless your tax dollars are paying for something, then you can't use it.

Don't be obtuse. I never said that shouldn't get to use them. Merely that to continue to have priority/first rights, they must be held to a higher standard of in-district players.....those players whose families pay taxes for the fields. Quite different from public areas. When WST or THUSC uses a field, it is not available for anyone else. My using a public park to have a picnic or throw a frisbee does not preclude others from using the same space.

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Don't be obtuse. I never said that shouldn't get to use them. Merely that to continue to have priority/first rights, they must be held to a higher standard of in-district players.....those players whose families pay taxes for the fields. Quite different from public areas. When WST or THUSC uses a field, it is not available for anyone else. My using a public park to have a picnic or throw a frisbee does not preclude others from using the same space.

Why do the rec players even need the turf fields? When my kids played rec we didn't need the fancy fields. They were happy just playing a few months out of the year.

The turf fields should be given to the club kids first, regardless of sport. They are the ones putting in all the time and energy with their chosen sport. They train all year long. People fail to mention that WST and THUSC also share the fields with lacrosse and football.

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Why do the rec players even need the turf fields? When my kids played rec we didn't need the fancy fields. They were happy just playing a few months out of the year.

The turf fields should be given to the club kids first, regardless of sport. They are the ones putting in all the time and energy with their chosen sport. They train all year long. People fail to mention that WST and THUSC also share the fields with lacrosse and football.

My twin boys, who are very fat, prefer their team to play in the McDonald's parking lot. When they are hungry, and I mean starving, they have access to food. Can the Beaverton mayor change the law to allow them to walk thru the drive thru?

Right now, it is so far to take the additional extra steps inside. I am sure MCDonalds would give him a kickback of 45,000 if he could arrange to have more of the rec teams to use the parking lot. Then, we would all be happy.

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My twin boys, who are very fat, prefer their team to play in the McDonald's parking lot. When they are hungry, and I mean starving, they have access to food. Can the Beaverton mayor change the law to allow them to walk thru the drive thru?

Right now, it is so far to take the additional extra steps inside. I am sure MCDonalds would give him a kickback of 45,000 if he could arrange to have more of the rec teams to use the parking lot. Then, we would all be happy.

Now you're thinking!

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They are not renegotiable unless both parties agree to renegotiate. Where did you learn contract law, the FAUX Knews channel?

Thanks for validating that the selfish actions and clear conflicts of interest via WST and THPRD will continue. That is why people want Knable, Doyle's, and others who are responsible to be removed due to this mess and injustice they created.

For the record, the community wants to renegotiate the contract per the terms of the contract that lots of us have now read.

BTW, you are a tool. WST person?

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Turf Costs Money!

According to the Channel 2 news report the turf fields at TH cost $7 per hour. That is outrageously low!
Maybe if they charged a more realistic fee the recreation teams would realize that turf is a privilege not a right.
Most public entities can no longer afford to provide long term services such as Turf upkeep and replacement. Those that use the facilities are usually asked to "afford" this.
Turf fees in Seattle are upwards of $200 per hour including lights. I'm told Vancouver clubs pay $65 - $100 per hour (w/lights).

Begs the question - if THUSC and WS are charging $1000 and only paying a measly $7.00 per hour on fields what are they doing with all the extra $$$$?

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According to the Channel 2 news report the turf fields at TH cost $7 per hour. That is outrageously low!
Maybe if they charged a more realistic fee the recreation teams would realize that turf is a privilege not a right.
Most public entities can no longer afford to provide long term services such as Turf upkeep and replacement. Those that use the facilities are usually asked to "afford" this.
Turf fees in Seattle are upwards of $200 per hour including lights. I'm told Vancouver clubs pay $65 - $100 per hour (w/lights).

Begs the question - if THUSC and WS are charging $1000 and only paying a measly $7.00 per hour on fields what are they doing with all the extra $$$$?

Both clubs are non profit clubs. So, no one is making money. One thing we know for sure is that WST has been paying off Denny Doyle. Smart business in a crooked town.

No clubs are paying full field rental price for their games and practices. You're told wrong. The costs you referenced are not reality. All clubs work out deals for their local fields.

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Really?

Both clubs are non profit clubs. So, no one is making money. One thing we know for sure is that WST has been paying off Denny Doyle. Smart business in a crooked town.

No clubs are paying full field rental price for their games and practices. You're told wrong. The costs you referenced are not reality. All clubs work out deals for their local fields.

Doyle took office in 2009 and was paid by Westside Metros SC in that year. He didn't receive compensation from WSM in 2010 or since. Is this hard to understand? Perhaps some of you busy bodies might find out how much the two soccer clubs have given THPRD over the years over and above the field costs in money and equipment. Also remember soccer shares the fields with lacrosse and football. Being a non-profit doesn't mean well spent money or small salaries and/or expenses. Just that it doesn't earn a profit.

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The Untold Story

One thing that is failed to be mentioned is that when the turf field contracts were done, THPRD was not charging anything to clubs to use the grass fields. Therefore the recreation clubs had no interest in paying for something that was free. WSM and THUSC having year around program took advantage of an opportunity to have fields available during the winter , etc... Recreation clubs use the fields in the fall and have always had access to fields including Aloha. Aloha competitive teams have also been by given use of fields by wsm during the years in question... which is something Paul ignores and continues to spread lies.. and which also was not talked about by KGW. Instead he continues to spread false information to his club members and the public and continues to look like an idiot. The kgw piece was so false and misleading that they could be subject to legal action if anyone wanted to go that route. Including Paul could be subject to legal action as he continues his defamation of organizations.

He has been given information and continues to ignore. Either he is unable to read or someone needs to explain to him...what the documents say... either way he wants to ignore the facts and continue to mislead everyone.

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No clubs are paying full field rental price for their games and practices. You're told wrong. The costs you referenced are not reality. All clubs work out deals for their local fields.

You are very very wrong. Many clubs elsewhere do not enjoy publicly subsidized turf fees and pay full price like any other entity.
The $7.00 subsidized fees are a gift. If I were a taxpayer I would be outraged that I was paying for the ability of so few to utilize turf.
Something is off here? Turf is a scarse commodity and if it were subject to market supply and demand the cost would be considerably more and there would be a far more open process to obtain use.

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Oregon is behind

The sad thing is that none of the "soccer people" of Oregon care about the players. Everyone is too busy working on their own ego's and looking at what they can get out of it.
A list of what is wrong with OR soccer:
* Too many conflicts of interest
* The OPL league, that is run by club DOC's is a joke.
* OYSA that is run by monkey's that could not organize anything and are always too busy fighting with OPL
* Two state championships
* WST having people on their board that are involved with THPRD
* Portland Timbers partnering with all the adidas clubs but have no idea how the clubs are ran.
Anyone care to add some more?

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A couple more ...

The sad thing is that none of the "soccer people" of Oregon care about the players. Everyone is too busy working on their own ego's and looking at what they can get out of it.
A list of what is wrong with OR soccer:
* Too many conflicts of interest
* The OPL league, that is run by club DOC's is a joke.
* OYSA that is run by monkey's that could not organize anything and are always too busy fighting with OPL
* Two state championships
* WST having people on their board that are involved with THPRD
* Portland Timbers partnering with all the adidas clubs but have no idea how the clubs are ran.
Anyone care to add some more?

1. DOCs and coaches that that are only able to progress as far as youth soccer, aren't usually the best. If they were better at their profession, they would be at the college or pro level. Why do you think we get so many under education English-accent coaches here?

2. OYSA staff that probably could only work an organization like that. No business or people skills. Very limited understanding of youth soccer. Unproductive work habits.

There, I think I've insulted most everyone now. However, I think the players, both boys and girls, are great. These kids just play their hearts out, practice in nasty weather, and just get it done.