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[QUOTE=Unregistered;904898]Where are you seeing that? I don't see anything on the OPL website yet about spring. They did have 3 teams in the fall-one in premiere, one in div1 and one in div 3.

Anyway, what I heard is this: OSA Forza parents were frustrated with how the team did in the fall season. (Remember, at the U10 level this team was one of the best.) 2 of the "best" players decided to leave. Mass panic followed and basically the entire OSA Forza team decided to go elsewhere. I heard that some of the players went to WT, some to ET and some went to other clubs (I have heard various rumors). Apparently, so many went to WT (just what I heard, I could be incorrect) that a bunch of the play-ups (true U10's playing U11) were either placed on another WT team (I heard they were asked to play age group-i.e play U 11 again next year). Perhaps someone from OSA, WT or ET could clarify since all of the above is just what I have pieced together from a variety of reliable sources. My son doesn't play for any of the above teams.[/

The U10s on that team didn't belong on the U11 team IMHO. I feel that there is a mass move toward the Timbers clubs. Less dilution but no competition then either. I think about 1/2 the team went to WST. I think it will make the WST team even stronger.

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What would you do?

Let's say you had the top 5 players at a top club, who have not been progressing throughout the season since the training has focused on a handful of younger players who have been brought to the team by the coach last May. Despite several individual parent discussions throughout the season and despite promises to improve the situation, nothing has changed. Now there are even more players on the team without any changes to the coaching concept.

So, what would you do? Would you take these top 5 players and go to another club now? Would you wait for the new season in May and move to a new club then? Or would you stay with the club with the hope that things will change next May with a new coach? And, would your answer differ if you got the top 10 players from this team to go somewhere else, so you could basically create an entire new team?

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Let's say you had the top 5 players at a top club, who have not been progressing throughout the season since the training has focused on a handful of younger players who have been brought to the team by the coach last May. Despite several individual parent discussions throughout the season and despite promises to improve the situation, nothing has changed. Now there are even more players on the team without any changes to the coaching concept.

So, what would you do? Would you take these top 5 players and go to another club now? Would you wait for the new season in May and move to a new club then? Or would you stay with the club with the hope that things will change next May with a new coach? And, would your answer differ if you got the top 10 players from this team to go somewhere else, so you could basically create an entire new team?

This is hard to answer. As you can see that's what OSA has done and time will tell if that will pay off for them. But why do you feel it necessary to take players with you? I am just curious of your thought pattern. If you go to a new club I could only assume they will not let you build your own team (unless you go to OSA, they may need a whole team). It makes more sense to make your decision on what your son needs and not what 5-10 boys need. Having said that you have obviously lost faith in WST and if the same DOC is there then this is a big problem for this club. That is a major flaw for WST and until he is removed this club will never be what it could be. I am not bashing just stating a pretty well known fact. I'm not sure how to remedy that so leaving may be the only solution. The question is....what club? Eastside? Vancouver? I would think the sooner the better, you can try out a new club for the spring and if you like it continue into the next season. If not, move on.

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This is hard to answer. As you can see that's what OSA has done and time will tell if that will pay off for them. But why do you feel it necessary to take players with you? I am just curious of your thought pattern. If you go to a new club I could only assume they will not let you build your own team (unless you go to OSA, they may need a whole team). It makes more sense to make your decision on what your son needs and not what 5-10 boys need. Having said that you have obviously lost faith in WST and if the same DOC is there then this is a big problem for this club. That is a major flaw for WST and until he is removed this club will never be what it could be. I am not bashing just stating a pretty well known fact. I'm not sure how to remedy that so leaving may be the only solution. The question is....what club? Eastside? Vancouver? I would think the sooner the better, you can try out a new club for the spring and if you like it continue into the next season. If not, move on.

VT, ET, or THUSC would all be good options at that age group.

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Really?

This is hard to answer. I am not bashing just stating a pretty well known fact. I'm not sure how to remedy that so leaving may be the only solution. .

Really not bashing but stating a pretty well know fact? Back handed bashing... Who are you kidding. I am guessing you child did not make WST. Giving advice to a lunatic parent who is overly involved with their son at U11? Really.. first kid playing competitive... thinks his kid is all that but does not like to face the facts.... Lets see what the WST DOC has done in the last few years... several Region IV Champions..Only Oregon Club to have back to back Region IV champions... #1, #3, and # 5 picks in the MLS Draft... several players playing overseas... current u17 boys team captain and leading players and being sought by many overseas professional teams.... really??? what other club in this area can tout these accomplishments... You guys are envious... and will say anything to bash the success of a club.

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Really not bashing but stating a pretty well know fact? Back handed bashing... Who are you kidding. I am guessing you child did not make WST. Giving advice to a lunatic parent who is overly involved with their son at U11? Really.. first kid playing competitive... thinks his kid is all that but does not like to face the facts.... Lets see what the WST DOC has done in the last few years... several Region IV Champions..Only Oregon Club to have back to back Region IV champions... #1, #3, and # 5 picks in the MLS Draft... several players playing overseas... current u17 boys team captain and leading players and being sought by many overseas professional teams.... really??? what other club in this area can tout these accomplishments... You guys are envious... and will say anything to bash the success of a club.

This will most likely not continue, as the best players will now play for the Academy. The remaining players will just be the ones that pay to play, but don't really have much skill and wallow in mediocrity.

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Speaking of mediocrity

Just take your son and go. I am sure another team will immediately recognize his intelligence and superior play. I am sure someone with an attitude like yours will not be missed.

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Just take your son and go. I am sure another team will immediately recognize his intelligence and superior play. I am sure someone with an attitude like yours will not be missed.

I wouldn't assume that the person trying to decide about whether he/she should change clubs is just a windbag that thinks his/her kid is superior. He may have valid concern. Its true that there are some parents that have an unrealistic impression of their child's talent, but why assume that. My impression was that he was looking for some feedback on what to do.

The bottom line is that if the current club is not working out (for whatever reason), you should try to find one that suits your child. That may not even need to be with a top team. You may even be better served at a smaller club with a great coach focused on player development rather that just winning. (Sometimes learning to play good soccer isn't always rewarded with success at younger age groups since the can still sometimes get away with boot ball). I would agree that trying to sort out the logistics of moving 5 players to another team is difficult. Unless you know of a team that needs players. Easier to just move your son. Its a difficult decision. Good luck.

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Really not bashing but stating a pretty well know fact? Back handed bashing... Who are you kidding. I am guessing you child did not make WST. Giving advice to a lunatic parent who is overly involved with their son at U11? Really.. first kid playing competitive... thinks his kid is all that but does not like to face the facts.... Lets see what the WST DOC has done in the last few years... several Region IV Champions..Only Oregon Club to have back to back Region IV champions... #1, #3, and # 5 picks in the MLS Draft... several players playing overseas... current u17 boys team captain and leading players and being sought by many overseas professional teams.... really??? what other club in this area can tout these accomplishments... You guys are envious... and will say anything to bash the success of a club.

This is a bit rash. You are defensive and irrational which makes me question your opinion. You are not doing the club any favors with this post. Ask anyone with some common sense or who has had any interaction with the DOC. I think the club has a lot of great people there also. The Director of Operations is good, there are many coaches that are good. All that I am questioning is the man on top. Any time you have a loose cannon like this it is hard to trust the organization. I have no doubt that there are successful players coming from this club, just giving my opinion. From the posts I have read there are questionable actions taking place from coaches. I am not saying this doesn't happen at other clubs but I am talking about WST right now. If the DOC does not demand and implement good practices it is left up to the coach. Often the coach has sense enough to make the right decisions, but sometimes this does not happen. This comes back to leadership.

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Really not bashing but stating a pretty well know fact? Back handed bashing... Who are you kidding. I am guessing you child did not make WST. Giving advice to a lunatic parent who is overly involved with their son at U11? Really.. first kid playing competitive... thinks his kid is all that but does not like to face the facts.... Lets see what the WST DOC has done in the last few years... several Region IV Champions..Only Oregon Club to have back to back Region IV champions... #1, #3, and # 5 picks in the MLS Draft... several players playing overseas... current u17 boys team captain and leading players and being sought by many overseas professional teams.... really??? what other club in this area can tout these accomplishments... You guys are envious... and will say anything to bash the success of a club.

Most of those kids weren't even developed by WST. John is great and has done great with teams. Cony on the other hand is a lunatic.

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This will most likely not continue, as the best players will now play for the Academy. The remaining players will just be the ones that pay to play, but don't really have much skill and wallow in mediocrity.

I dont know if I would agree with that. This is the first year for the DA. Already there have been some that have dropped for various reason (too many players on the team, no HS sports, etc.).

The 18's are probably already set for college. The 16's should be as well, but some arent.

If you can make the DA and be a starter, then I think most would agree thats the way to go. If you are 18-21 on the team and warming the bench, then a top club would be better. The world will already know that your good enough to be on the DA and returning to a top club team will surely exhibit your skills greater as youll be playing with potentially lesser skilled players (assuming the others are on the DA).

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I dont know if I would agree with that. This is the first year for the DA. Already there have been some that have dropped for various reason (too many players on the team, no HS sports, etc.).

The 18's are probably already set for college. The 16's should be as well, but some arent.

If you can make the DA and be a starter, then I think most would agree thats the way to go. If you are 18-21 on the team and warming the bench, then a top club would be better. The world will already know that your good enough to be on the DA and returning to a top club team will surely exhibit your skills greater as youll be playing with potentially lesser skilled players (assuming the others are on the DA).

Do the academy teams go by year born January - December? Does this make it hard for the older U11s having to play mostly with U12s? I have a young U11. Should he try out for the Academy this year? Is it worth it?

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Do the academy teams go by year born January - December? Does this make it hard for the older U11s having to play mostly with U12s? I have a young U11. Should he try out for the Academy this year? Is it worth it?

I looked it up it is calendar year. I am not sure if it is worth it at this age...some say yes some say no.

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How is it going for this group? Are the new players at EST and WST happy? It looks like both teams are doing well with the reds looking to be the younger group. I would be interested to know if your kids are happy with the move? I'm looking for a change for my son. Was it a difficult transition?


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Where are you seeing that? I don't see anything on the OPL website yet about spring. They did have 3 teams in the fall-one in premiere, one in div1 and one in div 3.

Anyway, what I heard is this: OSA Forza parents were frustrated with how the team did in the fall season. (Remember, at the U10 level this team was one of the best.) 2 of the "best" players decided to leave. Mass panic followed and basically the entire OSA Forza team decided to go elsewhere. I heard that some of the players went to WT, some to ET and some went to other clubs (I have heard various rumors). Apparently, so many went to WT (just what I heard, I could be incorrect) that a bunch of the play-ups (true U10's playing U11) were either placed on another WT team (I heard they were asked to play age group-i.e play U 11 again next year). Perhaps someone from OSA, WT or ET could clarify since all of the above is just what I have pieced together from a variety of reliable sources. My son doesn't play for any of the above teams.[/

The U10s on that team didn't belong on the U11 team IMHO. I feel that there is a mass move toward the Timbers clubs. Less dilution but no competition then either. I think about 1/2 the team went to WST. I think it will make the WST team even stronger.

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Osa

I know firsthand the parents for the Forza weren't happy with field space, but the coaching was great. We just had some of the states best players among the top 11 and those players should play with the states best. Forza's top 8 could compete and beat anyone in the league which is why they were incredible at the u10 level (8v8). Depth was an issue as "B" level players were playing with these other amazing players. I know many of the players are now starters for both Eastside and Westside which is a tough nut to crack. These top players will make these teams even better!