Combine the Opl Oysa cups

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Ignorance is bliss

Timbers DA will change competitive soccer but the Alliance won't change anything but the jersey the kid is wearing.

I suggest that you ask the parents of the better boys on teams NOT in the big three where they will be trying out next year.

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Read closer.

You really are stupid if you think successful teams were developed under the old "system". The teams were developed under the direction of the clubs, coaches, and DOC's.

What the poster was pointing out is that we were promised an improvement in Oregon premier soccer and so far that has not translated to an improvement for the players as measured by team success. As they said the only real change are the letters of the organization calling the shots

Additionally, it could also be argued that by sending the bulk of OPL's best to an inferior tournament they are actually making it harder for the teams to improve or get measured against the best. How is that improving Oregon soccer?

I know that this forum is dominated by parents of the more successful teams and you travel and enter big tournaments but you all need to realize that you are parents of just a few of the 18 State Cup winners and that not every team can afford to do that beyond the NW.

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I know that this forum is dominated by parents of the more successful teams and you travel and enter big tournaments but you all need to realize that you are parents of just a few of the 18 State Cup winners and that not every team can afford to do that beyond the NW.

I don't know...if you look at the Northwest Champions League, it looks like we are being given the opportunity for many teams to improve against some really good teams from Washington, and I guess now from Idaho, too. There were a couple of Oregon teams who won or at least did well, and while I'm not certain, I think most of the teams got at least 1 or 2 wins during the competition.

Likewise, the Pacific Coast Super Cup, which has been billed as a sort of Europa League for non-Premier division teams, it looks like Oregon teams are doing a good job. They are at least being given a chance to play against like-competition from Washington and do well, and many teams won their division or were finalists.

I would say while there are probably some teams who fare better than others, overall if our teams, not just the top ones, continue to have to compete and play at a high level in and out of state and are consistently being presented with opportunities to do so, they will continue to improve - but it won't happen overnight. Development isn't an overnight process, I don't think.

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Hey Nostrodamus(sp?), What does it matter anyway? According to the Mayans, the world is going to end this year, so you won't have to worry. The rest of us OPLers along with the support of US CLUB SOCCER will still be kickin ass and takin names long after you and the rest of the OYSA doomsdayers have faded into oblivion. Bye Bye

Here's why it matters to me. I have two kids, both OPL, and each with 4 years or less of competitive, club soccer. I am dismayed because my kids are guinea pigs in OPL because a bunch of adults with absolutely no business sense (while perhaps well-intentioned) try out a new program because they couldn't get what they wanted. Once OPL fails, and it will (assuming the world doesn't end first) in a year or two, my kids' experiences will have been diluted by at least 3-4 years. You don't have to be Nostradamus to figure out why OPC will implode, but feel free to call me Sherlock.

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Really

Here's why it matters to me. I have two kids, both OPL, and each with 4 years or less of competitive, club soccer. I am dismayed because my kids are guinea pigs in OPL because a bunch of adults with absolutely no business sense (while perhaps well-intentioned) try out a new program because they couldn't get what they wanted. Once OPL fails, and it will (assuming the world doesn't end first) in a year or two, my kids' experiences will have been diluted by at least 3-4 years. You don't have to be Nostradamus to figure out why OPC will implode, but feel free to call me Sherlock.

I've been around Oregon competitive soccer for a decade. The past two years have been better, not worse than the preceding 8. The QTs, the PQTs, the scheduling inflexibility, non-competitive leagues spread out over the entire state. I don't miss any of those things. I don't miss having only one or two referees show up for games instead of three. Now I missed out on trips to regionals because our teams kept finishing second in state cups but so what? Saw some decent games in league and state cups, at US Club regionals in Seattle last year and some decent games at US Club nationals. It was fun when an Oregon team won. There are the same summer tournaments, the same college camps. It's pretty much all the same.

Nor does it seem like OPL is going out of business or will any time soon. If you haven't noticed OYSA is going out of business. Running a soccer association is not terribly difficult. It is disappointing that it's such a mess, but it sure seems to me that cleaning out OYSA is the logical starting point for a reset. The OPL leadership is the leadership of the clubs that make competitive soccer go. Running them out (a) is unlikely, and (b) seems a bad idea. On the other hand, if OYSA provides administrative support, that seems far easier to replace. Is there really a constituency out there arguing that the present regime has done such a great job that it cannot be replaced?

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I've been around Oregon competitive soccer for a decade. The past two years have been better, not worse than the preceding 8. The QTs, the PQTs, the scheduling inflexibility, non-competitive leagues spread out over the entire state. I don't miss any of those things. I don't miss having only one or two referees show up for games instead of three. Now I missed out on trips to regionals because our teams kept finishing second in state cups but so what? Saw some decent games in league and state cups, at US Club regionals in Seattle last year and some decent games at US Club nationals. It was fun when an Oregon team won. There are the same summer tournaments, the same college camps. It's pretty much all the same.

Nor does it seem like OPL is going out of business or will any time soon. If you haven't noticed OYSA is going out of business. Running a soccer association is not terribly difficult. It is disappointing that it's such a mess, but it sure seems to me that cleaning out OYSA is the logical starting point for a reset. The OPL leadership is the leadership of the clubs that make competitive soccer go. Running them out (a) is unlikely, and (b) seems a bad idea. On the other hand, if OYSA provides administrative support, that seems far easier to replace. Is there really a constituency out there arguing that the present regime has done such a great job that it cannot be replaced?

Everything you identify has already existed. I too have been around for a decade, and the same issues keep coming up, but it only seems to be getting worse. The tourneys you identify are all identical or similar to what previously existed, e.g, US Club Regionals are/were available when we were part of OYSA. Your statement that "running a soccer association is not terribly difficult" says it all about what you know about a soccer association. I don't really care if you replace the people at OYSA. Replacing it with those running OPC is not the answer.

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Combine state cup???

They are combined it is called the opl state cup. Best of the best are playing there. Sorry oysa please post when you will be selling all your office stuff

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Oregon State Cup = OYSA

OPL Cup = OPL

Dont care who your playing. You say your the best, but unless you play in the State Cup your just playing another tournament that goes no where.

Good Luck and congrats on your kids accomplishments.

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Oregon State Cup = OYSA

OPL Cup = OPL

Dont care who your playing. You say your the best, but unless you play in the State Cup your just playing another tournament that goes no where.

Good Luck and congrats on your kids accomplishments.

Not sure how the oysa cup is a state cup when brackets only have 1 or two teams.

Doesn't really matter because oysa is on the outside of competitive soccer. If they really want to get back in competitive soccer they will need to offer a lot more. If you want clubs to come back give them a reason.

I have also been in competitive soccer for almost 10 years in Oregon and it's better now than when oysa ran it. Perhaps is you live outside the Willamette Valley it's not an improvement but for most of us it is.

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Oregon State Cup = OYSA

OPL Cup = OPL

Dont care who your playing. You say your the best, but unless you play in the State Cup your just playing another tournament that goes no where.

Good Luck and congrats on your kids accomplishments.

They should rename it the OYSA state rec cup. As for accomplishments, I guess winning it four times was alright , but I am looking forward to this year the most. See you all there......at least all of you premier teams.

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Classic = Cash

I think it's pretty easy to see now that the upper level of Oregon soccer was OYSA's cash cow.
I'm only guessing but I can't imagine that from a player number perspective that Classic/Premier soccer represents more than 20% of the soccer players in Oregon.
How can losing less than 20% completely destroy OYSA? Could it be that they were gouging Classic families? Charging too much for State Cup etc.?
The OPL broke away from the state because they focused on the issues of lower level soccer all the while being funded by upper level? They made things as beureaucratic and as difficult as possible all the while taking the $$$ and turning a deaf ear.
The clubs that have the most invested in upper level soccer simply said fine ... we'll run upper you can have Recreational. From a player numbers perspective OYSA should be doing just fine. Why arnt they?

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I think it's pretty easy to see now that the upper level of Oregon soccer was OYSA's cash cow.
I'm only guessing but I can't imagine that from a player number perspective that Classic/Premier soccer represents more than 20% of the soccer players in Oregon.
How can losing less than 20% completely destroy OYSA? Could it be that they were gouging Classic families? Charging too much for State Cup etc.?
The OPL broke away from the state because they focused on the issues of lower level soccer all the while being funded by upper level? They made things as beureaucratic and as difficult as possible all the while taking the $$$ and turning a deaf ear.
The clubs that have the most invested in upper level soccer simply said fine ... we'll run upper you can have Recreational. From a player numbers perspective OYSA should be doing just fine. Why arnt they?

Bingo! You win the prize. State Cup entry fees are $600 to $750 per team. There is about 130 teams so far registered for OPL State Cup. That is over $90K in revenue that OYSA wanted to split the surplus revenue from with OPC.

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Bingo! You win the prize. State Cup entry fees are $600 to $750 per team. There is about 130 teams so far registered for OPL State Cup. That is over $90K in revenue that OYSA wanted to split the surplus revenue from with OPC.

Your right, then they would reinvest it across the whole state from those lil Kindergartners all the way up to the seniors in HS.

Instead, the OPL is lining their pockets, to pay themselves. None of which you will ever see again nor any direct benefit from. Are you soo happy about it ?

Your probably of the same genetic thread that will live in his (mobile) home til your kids are all out of public school. The first thing you do is biotch and complain about your trailer taxes being so high from all the money going to your local schools (that your kids dont attend any longer).

Hate to tell ya, but OYSA has plenty of money and are mandated to operate on the strict budget. They arent allowed to dip into their reserves or operate at a loss. That means they arent going away for a very long time. Not to mention, they have the nations largest youth sports organization that is vested to see that it exists and continues to thrive behind it.

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You are Math Challenged

Bingo! You win the prize. State Cup entry fees are $600 to $750 per team. There is about 130 teams so far registered for OPL State Cup. That is over $90K in revenue that OYSA wanted to split the surplus revenue from with OPC.

Do you think the officials are free? Do the math and you will see there is very little left over to pay staff just for the cup let alone pocket revenue for the year.

You really need to learn how clubs and organizations work before coming here and embarrassing yourself. You better pray that your identity is never know in or soccer because you will be labeled a fool by either organization

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Do you think the officials are free? Do the math and you will see there is very little left over to pay staff just for the cup let alone pocket revenue for the year.

You really need to learn how clubs and organizations work before coming here and embarrassing yourself. You better pray that your identity is never know in or soccer because you will be labeled a fool by either organization

Billdo, please enlighten us. Please post OPC's financials so we can see the revenues and costs ourselves since you clearly have access to them. Otherwise you are simply an old, washed up poster, wasting way to much time in this forum. Get a life and some self esteem. it's not to late. Councelors are cheap.