There are going to be alot of p!ssed off parents here soon!

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I will acknowledge one thing, you are correct I did not ask a question WITH A QUESTION MARK AT THE END. I apologize if this was misleading. My understanding is this is a "discussion board". A place where one might expect discussions. I put a statement about a rule out there, wondering how the ES-WS-Timbers deal might be impacted. Your responses questioned knowledge of the rule, and provided little else. I had hoped to find someone who might reasonably discuss how this wouldn't be an issue. You can call BS all you want, it seems like that is how you carry on a conversation. Again my sincerest sympathy for those who actually spend time around you.

Wow, this just goes beyond anything I have witnessed. Calling someone a liar, or using the degree of profanities you used is one thing, but to quote me, and then edit the quote (in full above) to support your own misguided arguments is quie frankly shocking.

If the only way you understand any sentence is as a declarative statement of fact, I'm survived you can navigate the modern world.

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http://www.mlssoccer.com/2011-mls-roster-rules

I just looked at these briefly. Didn't see anything referencing FIFA.
Do other countries even have a "Draft" etc.?
The whole home grown rule seems to be pretty specific to MLS.

I believe the point made above is not about FIFA rules controlling the mls roster rules. It was that if there is any desire to transfer a player out of the US,then FIFA rules would come into play

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Ther are going to be alot of p!ssed off parents here soon

Apology accepted and I appreciate you admitting your original post was misleading. My point all along. I'm done ... and you can even have the final insult.

I'll say it one more time just cuz it pisses you off so much ..... Apology accepted!

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Agreed. WSM has the same philosophy. A coach actually said, "what's the point of developing girls when they can't play professionally".

That is not is not surprising.... and quite sad. Typical WSM.

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Portland Timbers Club

Westside Metros = P Timbers West

Eastside FC = P Timbers East

Vancouver United = P Timbers North


MLS Kits, Pipline to boys academy and girl academy ODP program, overhaul of development with direct alignment with the MLS club.

Competing against MLS clubs = good game PDX metro area, not to mention SW Washington.

Good luck keeping players FC and THUSC :)

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Westside Metros = P Timbers West

Eastside FC = P Timbers East

Vancouver United = P Timbers North


MLS Kits, Pipline to boys academy and girl academy ODP program, overhaul of development with direct alignment with the MLS club.

Competing against MLS clubs = good game PDX metro area, not to mention SW Washington.

Good luck keeping players FC and THUSC :)

So let me be sure I have this correct. Now if a parents sends their kid to Eastside or Westside (likely at some hyper-inflated fee) they will enter the ODP pipeline. Isn't this making ODP even more expensive then now? Everyone talks about the development academy being free (for high school ages), but wouldn't you expect both if these clubs with such an exclusive entry point to charge more?

It seems like the biggest recent complaints we have seen about ODP is that it is too expensive, and tryouts are too biased by having club coaches involved.

Isn't this a step in the wrong direction?

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Westside Metros = P Timbers West

Eastside FC = P Timbers East

Vancouver United = P Timbers North


MLS Kits, and girl academy ODP program, overhaul of development with direct alignment with the MLS club.

Good luck keeping players FC and THUSC :)

Ok Cony, ok.

Wow, the girls will have a direct line to ODP! Do you not know the state of ODP? Who are these ODP girls going to play against? Why not just play at THUSC (ECNL maybe) or FC and get better coaching and then continue to do ODP?

If THUSC gets ECNL they will get much of the top talent on the girls side. FC will do just fine. I can tell you that I would rather have my daughter at FC getting some really good coaching than at WSM or ESUFC where everyone knows the girls get zero coaching.

WSM, ESUFC, and the Timbers don't care about the girls program. It will be expensive and the pay off will not be worth it. All three of those clubs will have a girls program to fund the boys program. Hey, looks like nothing will change for WSM and ESUFC!!!!!

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Ok Cony, ok.

Wow, the girls will have a direct line to ODP! Do you not know the state of ODP? Who are these ODP girls going to play against? Why not just play at THUSC (ECNL maybe) or FC and get better coaching and then continue to do ODP?

If THUSC gets ECNL they will get much of the top talent on the girls side. FC will do just fine. I can tell you that I would rather have my daughter at FC getting some really good coaching than at WSM or ESUFC where everyone knows the girls get zero coaching.

WSM, ESUFC, and the Timbers don't care about the girls program. It will be expensive and the pay off will not be worth it. All three of those clubs will have a girls program to fund the boys program. Hey, looks like nothing will change for WSM and ESUFC!!!!!

Best FC girls will go to THUSC too!

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Looking at all their teams I don't see how WSM is not doing as good on the girls side? (with the addition of their *New* club additions - Tualatin & Sherwood)

Girls Fall 2012 Premier Teams: 5 teams (u12 none)

Last Fall Girls:
1 GU11 First Division Sherwood SC Galaxy (Premier in fall?)
5 GU11 First Division Tualatin Metros Toros
6 GU11 First Division WSM Arsenal (OR)

2 GU12 First Division WSM Fuego (OR) (Premier in fall?)
9 GU12 First Division Sherwood SC Push

4 GU13 Premier Sherwood SC United
4 GU13 First Division WSM 98G Usonians (OR)

1 GU14 Premier Tualatin Metros Rage
4 GU14 Premier WSM 97 Usonians (OR)
2 GU14 First Division WSM Red Magic (OR)
1 GU14 Third Division Sherwood SC Rush
9 GU14 Third Division Tualatin Metros Thunder



Boys Fall 2012 Premier Teams: 4 teams

Last Fall Boys:
5 BU11 Premier WSM Thunder (OR)
6 BU11 First Division WSM Vipers (OR)

1 BU12 Premier WSM Barca (OR)
1 BU12 Second Division WSM River (OR) (First Division in fall)
1 BU12 Third Division Sherwood SC Surge (Second Division in fall)

2 BU13 Premier WSM 98 Usonians (OR)

6 BU14 Premier WSM International (OR)
6 BU14 Third Division WSM Real (OR)

Look about the same except however they appear to lean more on their other clubs for the girls program.

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Help. My daughter is wanting to tryout for a top girls team. I've been following the posts for a while now and can't figure it out. Are the best places to play girls soccer at FC, WSM and THUSC? What about the girls programs at OSSA and Bridlemile? The big draw appears to be this ECNL thing and this ODP program. If we don't take her to one of these places how will the other places compete for girls? I didn't think having our daughter in soccer would have to be this hard. I appreciate any feedback.

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I take it since you listed OSSA she's a 14 going to be U15 in fall:

Listed alphabetically - NOT preference:
FC Portland Academy 1997G Navy
ESUFC Valencia (OR)
OSSA
Tualatin Metros Rage
Tualatin Hills United SC Iridium
WSM 97 Usonians (OR)

Any of these you'll be fine - Find the coach that fits and you'll be happy..

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the best 4 sure

Best FC girls will go to THUSC too!

It will only take 2 or 3 of the best players from the better clubs to make thusc ecnl the place to be. The timber takeover will do little to help the girls program period. Thusc will be the best place for your DD. ECNL has a very good track record and is proving to be the best option for girls. The timbers affilated clubs will be second tier for girls. Your DD better be very good, to make the thusc ecnl team, because the competition will be tops.

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It will only take 2 or 3 of the best players from the better clubs to make thusc ecnl the place to be. The timber takeover will do little to help the girls program period. Thusc will be the best place for your DD. ECNL has a very good track record and is proving to be the best option for girls. The timbers affilated clubs will be second tier for girls. Your DD better be very good, to make the thusc ecnl team, because the competition will be tops.

Your assuming a lot.

Your assuming that the top 2-3 players not already at THUSC will join and they have the means to afford it. These same players may already be firmly trenched in ODP and will have to choose one or the other.

Will the same coaching staff be in place for the upcoming U15 team ? If THUSC plans to compete, they will have to install their very best and motivated coaches with these teams. If they dont, what will change from their current level of play ? Just cause you add a few new/good players does make the whole team better. Those players already on their top team will also have to step up their game or face being moved down to another team.

This whole process will take at least a year (maybe two) to fall into place. Many will sit back and watch it the first year, because lets face it, not many college coaches are going to come out and watch some freshmen girls play unless the team absolutely blows everyone a way right out of the gate. Then the second year, if politics dont get in the way, they might capture 50% of those that sat out.

Im not against it, just being a realist. I can say for certain, our DD will tryout if any club is accepted.

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Help. My daughter is wanting to tryout for a top girls team. I've been following the posts for a while now and can't figure it out. Are the best places to play girls soccer at FC, WSM and THUSC? What about the girls programs at OSSA and Bridlemile? The big draw appears to be this ECNL thing and this ODP program. If we don't take her to one of these places how will the other places compete for girls? I didn't think having our daughter in soccer would have to be this hard. I appreciate any feedback.

Keep in mind that ODP (if ran by the 3 affiliated clubs) is ran during the off time of club soccer (almost). It will not be necessary to play for one of the affiliated clubs if your player is good enough to make a starting position at any of the top 5 teams in state now.

ECNL will be a whole other thing. It will run at the same time as club, and you can do ODP at the same time (many do). The costs will be higher then any other combo you could choose.

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ecnl or odp?

Your assuming a lot.

Your assuming that the top 2-3 players not already at THUSC will join and they have the means to afford it. These same players may already be firmly trenched in ODP and will have to choose one or the other.

Will the same coaching staff be in place for the upcoming U15 team ? If THUSC plans to compete, they will have to install their very best and motivated coaches with these teams. If they dont, what will change from their current level of play ? Just cause you add a few new/good players does make the whole team better. Those players already on their top team will also have to step up their game or face being moved down to another team.

This whole process will take at least a year (maybe two) to fall into place. Many will sit back and watch it the first year, because lets face it, not many college coaches are going to come out and watch some freshmen girls play unless the team absolutely blows everyone a way right out of the gate. Then the second year, if politics dont get in the way, they might capture 50% of those that sat out.

Im not against it, just being a realist. I can say for certain, our DD will tryout if any club is accepted.

So you have to choose between ecnl or odp? I was under the impression you could do both. I would also venture to guess that 10+ or so of the best girls in the state will go ecnl the first year. That would make any team first rate. Let me also point out that I am not disagreeing with you. Your points are valid. My DD will also tryout.