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    Not Hand Ball - Deliberate Handling

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Great recap. I would like to add/make 4 points;
    - From where I was sitting it looked like the defense did indeed have a handball but I think it was "incidental" so they let play continue. Not sure the ruling and that was from my angle.
    - I thought the officiating was a little lacking. I am all for letting teams play but when players (from both teams) are going down hard with no call then, they call grabbing a jersey when progress wasn't even impeded at midfield? hmmm.
    - I didn't feel the decision to use a 3-3-4 was ballsy. Defense has been playing pretty well and they have the firepower up front to pull it off in my opinion. (Worked last night! lol)
    - Probably not a good idea to use players names on an open/public forum. Yes, she is a great player (scored 4 out of 5 of SHS's last goals) but still, use a jersey# or initials.

    Great recap, great game. I see Beaverton and Southridge tied. Anyone have a summary they want to share?
    Taken from a OPL Referee Email.

    12.9 DELIBERATE HANDLING

    The offense known as "handling the ball" involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player's hand or arm (including fingertips, upper arm, or outer shoulder). "Deliberate contact" means that the player could have avoided the touch but chose not to, that player's arms were not in a normal playing position at the time, or that the player deliberately continued an initially accidental contact for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage. Moving hands or arms instinctively to protect the body when suddenly faced with a fast approaching ball does not constitute deliberate contact unless there is subsequent action to direct the ball once contact is made. Likewise, placing hands or arms to protect the body at a free kick or similar restart is not likely to produce an infringe ment unless there is subsequent action to direct or control the ball. The fact that a player may benefit from the ball contacting the hand does not transform the otherwise accidental event into an infringement. A player infringes the Law regarding handling the ball even if direct contact is avoided by holding something in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.). (taken from the US Soccer publication, Advice To Referees) In addition, US Soccer has produced the following to further examine the characteristics of Handling the Ball. Keys to Identifying Handling the Ball There are several key criteria referees should use to determine whether contact between a player&r squo;s hand/arm and the ball constitutes a foul for handling. Many of the criteria have formed the foundation of referee identification of handlingOffenses for years. Despite this foundation, handling criteria continue to be applied inconsistently.Going forward, additional criteria will to be considered by officials in determining contact by the ball with the hand/arm is, in fact, a handling offense. For example: Did the player make himself bigger?

    The following 5 criteria should be the primary factors considered by the referee:

    1. Making yourself bigger This refers to the placement of the arm(s)/hand(s) of the defending player at the time the ball is played by the opponent. Should an arm/hand be in a position that takes away space from the team with the ball and the ball contacts the arm/hand, the referee should interpret this contact as handling. Referees should interpret this action as the defender “deliberately” putting his arm/hand in a position in order to reduce the options of the opponent(like spreading your arms wide to take away the passing lane of an attacker).

    • Does the defender use his hand/arm as a barrier?

    • Does the defender use his hand/arm to take away space and/or t he passing lane from the opponent?

    • Does the defender use his hand/arm to occupy more space by extending his reach or extendingThe ability of his body to play the ball thereby benefiting from the extension(s)?

    2. Is the arm or hand in an “unnatural position?” Is the arm or hand in a position that is not normal or natural for a player performing the task at hand.

    3. Did the player “benefit?” In considering all the “signs” described above, t he referee should alsoConsider the result of the player’s (usually a defender) action. Did the defender’s action (handling of the ball) deny an opportunity (for example, a pass or shot on goal) that would have otherwise been available to the opponent? Did the offending player gain an unfair tactical advantage fromContact with the hand/arm, which enabled him to retain possession? In other words: Did the player benefit by putting his hand/arm in an “unnatural position?” The referee needs to be able toQuickly calculate the result of the player’s action to determine whether an offence has been committed. After applying the aforementioned criteria, if the referee is still uncertain as to whether handling the ball has occurred, the referee should then incorporate the following two criteria as part of his decision making process:

    4. Reaction TimeThe less time a defender has to react, the less likely there has been a handling offense .For example, a ball struck from a close distance, or a very fast moving ball, or a ball coming in from a direction which is outside the defender’s view gives little or no time for the defender’s reaction to be “deliberate.” The referee must take into consideration whether the defender’s reaction is purely instinctive, taken to protect sensitive areas of the body as the face. Distance is a factor inDetermining “reaction time.” The further the ball, the more reaction time a play may have.

    5. Hand/arm to ballReferees must be ready to judge whether the player moved his arm to the ball thereby initiating the contact. Additionally, the referee should evaluate whether the player deliberately readjusted his body position to block the ball thus intentionally playing the ball with his hand/arm.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Taken from a OPL Referee Email.

      12.9 DELIBERATE HANDLING

      The offense known as "handling the ball" involves deliberate contact with the ball by a player's hand or arm (including fingertips, upper arm, or outer shoulder). "Deliberate contact" means that the player could have avoided the touch but chose not to, that player's arms were not in a normal playing position at the time, or that the player deliberately continued an initially accidental contact for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage. Moving hands or arms instinctively to protect the body when suddenly faced with a fast approaching ball does not constitute deliberate contact unless there is subsequent action to direct the ball once contact is made. Likewise, placing hands or arms to protect the body at a free kick or similar restart is not likely to produce an infringe ment unless there is subsequent action to direct or control the ball. The fact that a player may benefit from the ball contacting the hand does not transform the otherwise accidental event into an infringement. A player infringes the Law regarding handling the ball even if direct contact is avoided by holding something in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.). (taken from the US Soccer publication, Advice To Referees) In addition, US Soccer has produced the following to further examine the characteristics of Handling the Ball. Keys to Identifying Handling the Ball There are several key criteria referees should use to determine whether contact between a player&r squo;s hand/arm and the ball constitutes a foul for handling. Many of the criteria have formed the foundation of referee identification of handlingOffenses for years. Despite this foundation, handling criteria continue to be applied inconsistently.Going forward, additional criteria will to be considered by officials in determining contact by the ball with the hand/arm is, in fact, a handling offense. For example: Did the player make himself bigger?

      The following 5 criteria should be the primary factors considered by the referee:

      1. Making yourself bigger This refers to the placement of the arm(s)/hand(s) of the defending player at the time the ball is played by the opponent. Should an arm/hand be in a position that takes away space from the team with the ball and the ball contacts the arm/hand, the referee should interpret this contact as handling. Referees should interpret this action as the defender “deliberately” putting his arm/hand in a position in order to reduce the options of the opponent(like spreading your arms wide to take away the passing lane of an attacker).

      • Does the defender use his hand/arm as a barrier?

      • Does the defender use his hand/arm to take away space and/or t he passing lane from the opponent?

      • Does the defender use his hand/arm to occupy more space by extending his reach or extendingThe ability of his body to play the ball thereby benefiting from the extension(s)?

      2. Is the arm or hand in an “unnatural position?” Is the arm or hand in a position that is not normal or natural for a player performing the task at hand.

      3. Did the player “benefit?” In considering all the “signs” described above, t he referee should alsoConsider the result of the player’s (usually a defender) action. Did the defender’s action (handling of the ball) deny an opportunity (for example, a pass or shot on goal) that would have otherwise been available to the opponent? Did the offending player gain an unfair tactical advantage fromContact with the hand/arm, which enabled him to retain possession? In other words: Did the player benefit by putting his hand/arm in an “unnatural position?” The referee needs to be able toQuickly calculate the result of the player’s action to determine whether an offence has been committed. After applying the aforementioned criteria, if the referee is still uncertain as to whether handling the ball has occurred, the referee should then incorporate the following two criteria as part of his decision making process:

      4. Reaction TimeThe less time a defender has to react, the less likely there has been a handling offense .For example, a ball struck from a close distance, or a very fast moving ball, or a ball coming in from a direction which is outside the defender’s view gives little or no time for the defender’s reaction to be “deliberate.” The referee must take into consideration whether the defender’s reaction is purely instinctive, taken to protect sensitive areas of the body as the face. Distance is a factor inDetermining “reaction time.” The further the ball, the more reaction time a play may have.

      5. Hand/arm to ballReferees must be ready to judge whether the player moved his arm to the ball thereby initiating the contact. Additionally, the referee should evaluate whether the player deliberately readjusted his body position to block the ball thus intentionally playing the ball with his hand/arm.
      It didn't get called so what does it matter? It is obvious that the official felt the incident fell outside the lengthy rules you felt compelled to post.

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        And which you felt compelled to quote

        so we get them twice. Oh well. Never hurts to reread the rules.

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          [QUOTE=Unregistered;639585]- Probably not a good idea to use players names on an open/public forum. Yes, she is a great player (scored 4 out of 5 of SHS's last goals) but still, use a jersey# or initials.QUOTE]

          Players names & jersey numbers are open for all to see on the OSAA website and newspapers write about specific players all the time. Both of which are public.

          The only time I see a problem with mentioning a players name, using initials or jersey numbers is when it is a negative comment.

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            Westview 4 Aloha 1. Aloha's goal came off a questionable call-both girls went hard about 25yds out. kudos to aloha player for great hit, into the back corner of the goal. Westview controlled most of the possession, but it will be interesting to see how they hold up against jesuit with such a short bench.

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              Only ok to mention player names if positive comments? Hmm.

              Or if you are her parent. LOL. Considering her name was "dropped" but not the second goal scorers name...lol.

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                Player Names

                Unless you're reporting something inappropriate or making inappropriate comments, why the worry about player names? There are rosters, newspaper articles, FB posts etc all out on the internet that identify players by name. Making some negative comment about a kid shouldn't happen with or without a name, but saying a player scored a goal, or made a great save, can be attributed to a person.

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                  Get the word that Hand Ball is not right.

                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  It didn't get called so what does it matter? It is obvious that the official felt the incident fell outside the lengthy rules you felt compelled to post.
                  Most folks don't understand the rule. If you don't like to read, skip to the next enter.

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                    Wow, what an exciting season! more upsets and less predictable this year for both boys and girls in the metro league. Good luck on the rest of the season! Looking forward to playoffs and more improvement all around.

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                      Can anyone post a summation of the Beaverton vs Southridge match? Wow, Beaverton must have really came to play!

                      Thanks

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                        Lets see how I did and next week predictions (Metro)

                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        OK, let's get back into the action;

                        Aloha vs Westview
                        As well rounded as Aloha is starting to get, they will be no match for a Westview squad coming off a loss. The Cats will come out motivated with a 2 ton chip on their shoulder and plenty to prove. This one could get downright ugly I'm afraid. 4-0 Westview.
                        Final was AHS 1, WHS 4. Wasn't too far off.
                        Beaverton vs Southridge
                        As much as Westview will bring the sledgehammer because of the loss, Southridge will bring the confidence due to the win. They are soaring and have every right to be. If they can keep the intensity they should walk away with a sound victory 3-1.
                        Never thought BHS would step it up, but they did, BIG. Final was BHS 1, Southridge 1.
                        Jesuit vs Sunset
                        The age old #1 vs #2, battle of the night. Sunset's roster is as healthy as it has been all season and they'll need every ounce against Jesuit. Jesuit has been kinda coasting through with a couple scares from SHS, WHS and SRHS. Could this be the week Rome falls? I am going with the #2 dog in the fight; Sunset 2, Jesuit 1.
                        As promised, this was the game of week. SHS 2, JHS 0.

                        10/17 Match Ups

                        Sunset vs Beaverton
                        BHS gave SHS fits last meeting and forced them to get creative. Many injuries caused SHS to draw deep from their bench. All are healthy now though (only 3 injuries I think) so SHS should take care of business. SHS 3, BHS 0.
                        Westview vs Jesuit
                        Game of the week. Both are licking wounds from previous losses. If sports history proves true both these teams will rebound this should be a great match. I'm going to give the slight edge to JHS, 2-1.
                        Southridge vs Aloha
                        SRHS will remain hot and the one everyone should be wary of in the Metro. They will hold true to form. SRHS 3, AHS 1.

                        Adios. :)

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                          Okay, with 2 weeks left in the regular season, here is the osaa's top 10 ranking. Accurate? Any suprises? Will it change much do you think??

                          1. Jesuit
                          2. Sunset
                          3. Westview
                          4. Barlow
                          5. N. Medford
                          6. Thurston
                          7. Grant
                          8. Southridge
                          9. Tualatin
                          10. Central Catholic

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Okay, with 2 weeks left in the regular season, here is the osaa's top 10 ranking. Accurate? Any suprises? Will it change much do you think??

                            1. Jesuit
                            2. Sunset
                            3. Westview
                            4. Barlow
                            5. N. Medford
                            6. Thurston
                            7. Grant
                            8. Southridge
                            9. Tualatin
                            10. Central Catholic
                            The strength of schedule issue will hold Tualatin down in the ranks. Will that bite them in the end? Aren't the brackets set up so #1 plays #10, #2 plays #9 and so on? (Or similar?)

                            And, if JHS beat SHS 1-0, then SHS turns around and beats JHS 2-0, why is JHS ahead of them by .23? Is it due to the strength of a preseason opponent?

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Okay, with 2 weeks left in the regular season, here is the osaa's top 10 ranking. Accurate? Any suprises? Will it change much do you think??

                              1. Jesuit
                              2. Sunset
                              3. Westview
                              4. Barlow
                              5. N. Medford
                              6. Thurston
                              7. Grant
                              8. Southridge
                              9. Tualatin
                              10. Central Catholic
                              2 teams I would put in this poll would be South Salem and Clackamas. Southridge and CC are playing well, but I wouldn't include them just yet. The other 5 getting close or "other" votes:

                              Southridge, CC, St. Mary's, Sheldon and West Linn.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The strength of schedule issue will hold Tualatin down in the ranks. Will that bite them in the end? Aren't the brackets set up so #1 plays #10, #2 plays #9 and so on? (Or similar?)

                                And, if JHS beat SHS 1-0, then SHS turns around and beats JHS 2-0, why is JHS ahead of them by .23? Is it due to the strength of a preseason opponent?
                                I think it's #1 plays #32, #2 plays #31, and so on. Have to wait after the play-in games then rankings come out afterwards. Not really sure but it's pretty close to something like that.

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