State cup

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honestly what does it really matter?

the sun will still rise tomorrow.

For a 12-15 year old kid they are going to have won their state championship; whether it is for US Club or OYSA. They will go onto National's for US Club or Regionals for USYSA and get to play some more competitive soccer.

They are not going to know or care about the difference if it was US Club or USYSA. All they will look back in life and remember is that they were state champions and that they had fun playing soccer while growing up.

Let's remember to check our ego's at the door this is about the kids

I'm sorry, it is the right thing to say--that "it's about the kids"--but it really isn't. It's a business run by adults who depend on the cash from the parents who pay so their kids can play. It really is about the adults. The kids are just along for the ride.

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The boys side is a little different as OYSA has a few tough teams at U13 and U14.

A few tough teams??? I love how all the OPL patriots seem to have this comprehensive knowledge of Oregon soccer. When you question their knowledge, it finally becomes clear that all they have done is look at scores. Anyone who knows soccer understands the weakness in this. U-14 boys split equally with two
Top teams going to OPL, and two top teams staying with OYSA. Rumor has it Eastside and Cascade have had two friendlies this year with Cascade winning both.

Continuing to split soccer is nothing but negative for Oregon. Putting all the excuses aside the reason for the split was a battle of egos, if you don't believe that ask some more questions, educate yourself. The timbers alliance with OYSA is further illustration that for the sake of Oregon we need to pull back together. Gavin stated so in his announcement about the timbers alliance.

A strong word of caution to OPL parents who are drinking the kool-aid that OPL is getting smaller and better, you don't self proclaim being elite, it is earned over time, and the path to irrelevance can look a lot like the path th greatness. Better be sure which one you are on.

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A few tough teams??? I love how all the OPL patriots seem to have this comprehensive knowledge of Oregon soccer. When you question their knowledge, it finally becomes clear that all they have done is look at scores. Anyone who knows soccer understands the weakness in this. U-14 boys split equally with two
Top teams going to OPL, and two top teams staying with OYSA. Rumor has it Eastside and Cascade have had two friendlies this year with Cascade winning both.

Continuing to split soccer is nothing but negative for Oregon. Putting all the excuses aside the reason for the split was a battle of egos, if you don't believe that ask some more questions, educate yourself. The timbers alliance with OYSA is further illustration that for the sake of Oregon we need to pull back together. Gavin stated so in his announcement about the timbers alliance.

A strong word of caution to OPL parents who are drinking the kool-aid that OPL is getting smaller and better, you don't self proclaim being elite, it is earned over time, and the path to irrelevance can look a lot like the path th greatness. Better be sure which one you are on.

Spoken like a true OYSA parent. Bravo!

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A few tough teams??? I love how all the OPL patriots seem to have this comprehensive knowledge of Oregon soccer. Anyone who knows soccer understands the weakness in this. U-14 boys split equally with two
Top teams going to OPL, and two top teams staying with OYSA.

Exactly............ a few tough teams. Thank you for making my point even clearer.

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Spoken like a true OYSA parent. Bravo!

This is confusing, unless your child has only been playing the last year we are all OYSA parents. The clubs made the decision to split, not the parents. I would be curious how many are even aware of the situation. So are OPL parents the geniuses of the world, or are they sheep who can't make their own decision?

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. So are OPL parents the geniuses of the world, or are they sheep who can't make their own decision?

That really doesn't make any sense. The OPL parents made a decision just like the OYSA parents did. Neither is wrong in their decision. We thought it was best for our child to play competitive games year round and not just go for the State Cup so we opted with the OPL. We have been very happy with it and do not regret our decision at all.

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I'm sorry, it is the right thing to say--that "it's about the kids"--but it really isn't. It's a business run by adults who depend on the cash from the parents who pay so their kids can play. It really is about the adults. The kids are just along for the ride.

Okay either you are being sarcastic and if so okay I get it......if not than I will not say it is a business to determine which state cup is better US Club or OYSA.

Yes I understand running this is a business; but really what difference does being an OYSA State Cup and US Club state cup champion mean. Absolutely nothing.

The kids will take away that they won a state championship and get to move on to another tournament that being Reigonals or Nationals.

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This is confusing, unless your child has only been playing the last year we are all OYSA parents. The clubs made the decision to split, not the parents. I would be curious how many are even aware of the situation. So are OPL parents the geniuses of the world, or are they sheep who can't make their own decision?

Yes it was a club decision as to if they were going to play OYSA or US Club.
It is your decision as a consumer whether or not you sign with a club that is OYSA or US Club.

If you don't like playing for a club that is US Club (OPL) than go to a club that plays OYSA; and visa versa; if you play OYSA and want to play OPL change clubs. Tryouts are in May.

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So let me get this straight.

Are there OPL parents/teams that are unhappy with the quality of the teams that will represent Oregon at the USYSA Regionals, given the split from OYSA and the exclusion of OPL teams from the State Cup? If this is so it makes absolutely no sense.

Any team that joined OPL knew ahead of time that joining OPL would remove them from State Cup participation. If you are not able to play, base on your informed decision, why be upset about the teams that chose to stay and play? I

t's no longer your business.

It's like buying a green car, getting it home, and then complaining that it is green, even though you wanted that color exactly.

Again, it makes no sense.

If the beef is with OYSA, rec. soccer, office staff, yada, yada then complain about that.

If you joined OPL to escape OYSA than congratulations--you're free!! OYSA is no longer any concern of yours. Let it go, please.

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This doesn't make any sense. The thread was talking about OYSA State Cup winners going to Regionals. All the teams you mentioned above are OPL. So yes, there will be a big difference since most of the 1st, 2nd AND 3rd place teams from last years OYSA State Cup are now OPL. More accurately we are talking about sending a couple 2nd place but mostly 3rd place teams to Regionals to represent Oregon. I believe that was the point.

The original poster opined that, essentially, unless you were a state champion, you could not be competitive at Regionals. I mentioned FC and THUSC as examples only that there is little difference between the top tier teams in most age groups, which generally are 1-4 (or even 5 in some age groups). Just because a team lost 1-0 or on PK's doesn't mean the team can't do well at Regionals even if they were not state champion. I believe we can agree that yes, we are talking about a coupld 2nd place and mostly third place teams to Regionals to represent Oregon. Are you really suggesting that there is a big difference between the 1 and 3rd place teams in OR? If so, I have yet to see that dominant team. If you truly believe, as apparently did the original poster, that only state cup champions have the ability to compete at regionals, then more power to ya. We'll just have to disagree.

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Let me take a crack at it.

After reading through this thread I think there are several different trains of thought;

1) Just having a team from OYSA attend USYSA Regionals will not be the best representative of Oregon soccer. I think I read this from both sides. OPL parents stand behind this, OYSA parents blame the split on them.

2) Many of the teams that will be representing Oregon this year were 2nd, 3rd or 4th place teams from last years State Cup.

3) There could never be a combined tournament to determine the best team due to the ego's of both sides.

4) Soccer is a business.

5) Soccer is for the kids.

6) Why can't we all just along.

Am I close? :)

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There could never be a combined tournament to determine the best team due to the ego's of both sides.

Well maybe you didnt read it here, but OYSA offered the OPL 100% control of all premier competitive soccer next year (including USYS state cup games) just a few weeks ago and the OPL turned them down.

The only "control issue" was on State Cup qualifications and USYS policies. OYSA lowered the player card fees to match US Club at their AGM in February.

So where does the EGO lay now ? Whats the hold up OPL ?

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Well maybe you didnt read it here, but OYSA offered the OPL 100% control of all premier competitive soccer next year (including USYS state cup games) just a few weeks ago and the OPL turned them down.

The only "control issue" was on State Cup qualifications and USYS policies. OYSA lowered the player card fees to match US Club at their AGM in February.

So where does the EGO lay now ? Whats the hold up OPL ?

Well maybe you didnt read it here, but OPL offered the OYSA 100% control of all premier competitive soccer next year (including USYS state cup games) just a few weeks ago and the OYSA turned them down.

The only "control issue" was on State Cup qualifications and USYS policies. OYSA lowered the player card fees to match US Club at their AGM in February.

So where does the EGO lay now ? Whats the hold up OYSA?


See how easy it is to state things on here with absolutely NO proof!! :)

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There are some OYSA teams that are going to represent Oregon very well this year at regionals. The only part that bothers me is that the arugment about whether the best is representing cannot be settled on the field. It will only be speculation at this point. Even so, I hope that teams from both OPL and OYSA find the success that they desire during whatever state cup they participate in.

Go Rush!

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Well maybe you didnt read it here, but OPL offered the OYSA 100% control of all premier competitive soccer next year (including USYS state cup games) just a few weeks ago and the OYSA turned them down.

The only "control issue" was on State Cup qualifications and USYS policies. OYSA lowered the player card fees to match US Club at their AGM in February.

So where does the EGO lay now ? Whats the hold up OYSA?


See how easy it is to state things on here with absolutely NO proof!! :)

If you read my post I said there are several trains of thought and it was a recap, not necessarily my points of view but those that had been posted.
Are you sure, as you stated, "OPL offered the OYSA 100% control of all premier competitive soccer next year (including USYS state cup games) just a few weeks ago and the OYSA turned them down." That seems odd, doesn't OYSA already control USYSA State Cup? Why would OPL offer it back to them? Can you direct me to the source of this comment since you are promoting not stating things on here with absolutely no proof. I would love to read further. Thanks.