Future of OR Soccer

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$28.00 x 18 - $504.00
$1000.00
$600.00
=$2104/149(+/- for QT) = $151.00 per game = priceless

Why would it cost about $150.00 to put two teams on the field of play for a game? Just this week reports on unemployment claims has Oregon at the third highest in the nation. OYSA should be working to drive costs down rather than go higher, or they will be adding to the unemployment numbers with their staffers.

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Why would it cost about $150.00 to put two teams on the field of play for a game?

How much do the refs earn per game? I'd have to think that alone would eat up a lot of the $150. What do you think it should cost?

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http://www.oregonpremierleague.com/d...gue%20FAQs.pdf

Interesting. The only specifics about travel in this document are as follows:

How much traveling is involved?
For league play, we will make every effort to keep travel to a minimum for all teams involved. At the younger age groups (U11-U12) it has made sense to regionalize the format, but as the players move up in age groups, you can expect the leagues to include competition statewide.

This makes it sound as if there will be some traveling, but that they are being purposefully vague.

[Tieyourshoes]

Info from OYSA regarding leagues for next year

Important Notice
To: OYSA Competitive Team Coaches, Team Managers, Presidents and Head Coaches
From: Chuck Keers, Executive Director
Subject: Recent developments affecting Competitive Youth Soccer in Oregon
Date: April 15, 2010

Eight clubs (Eastside, FC Portland, Lake Oswego, Oregon Soccer Academy-OSA, Portland City United-
PCU, Southside, Tualatin Hills United-THUSC, and Westside Metros) have recently formed a “mutual
benefit” corporation called the “Oregon Premier Council” (not to be confused with OYSA’s Premier
Council) and have notified us that their teams will not be participating in OYSA leagues next year. There
will be additional information about this in subsequent emails and on our website.
However one important consequence is that none of the teams in these clubs – nor any other teams that
don’t participate in OYSA’s approved leagues - will be eligible for the Oregon State Cup, Far West
Regionals, the US Youth Soccer National Championships, the Far West Regional League, the US Youth
Soccer National League, the Oregon President’s Cup, the Regional Presidents Cup or the US Youth
Soccer National Presidents Cup for the 2010/2011 soccer year.
We believe that competing competitive leagues are not good for soccer in Oregon. Multiple leagues
divide and weaken the competitive and developmental experience for everybody. Larger leagues provide
more evenly matched games, better competition and reduced travel. When considering which league your
teams are going to enter, consider that:
• Our 2010 Fall League has a number of new offerings – including 10-game regional U10
developmental leagues, a U10 division in President’s Cup, a U12 ODP observation/scouting
weekend during league play, all U12-U14 teams will play 14 games during the fall and we plan to
have a one-weekend Qualifying Tournament (Top 4 finalists from ’09 Fall League are exempt).
• There are more premier level teams in clubs from outside of the OPC group than within the
group. Over 50% of the 2009 State Cup Champions - and all of the boys – at U14 and younger -
were from other clubs. And teams from outside the OPC dominated play in their own U12 league
last year. Full participation in our league will result in far better competition.
• Our leagues are regional, as numbers allow (which reduces travel), and are structured so that each
team has an equal number of home and away games. Our schedules are developed by seasoned
professionals and accommodate coaches with multiple teams and allow for special requests.
• OYSA is a membership organization. Our leagues, tournaments and programs exist to serve the
interests of our members and all of youth soccer throughout the state, not just a select few. Our
board and bylaws are determined by all of our clubs and our advisory committees are inclusive.
We provide coaching clinics, ODP, TOPSoccer, club support and annual background checks.
Finally, due to the obvious conflict of interest, the representatives from the OPC will be removed from the
OYSA Premier Council and we will be seeking new members to help us plan and structure our premier
programs. Clubs with teams in our premier leagues are invited to submit potential candidates as soon as
possible so we can continue the important business of making our programs and services relevant to your
values and priorities. Member participation in our leagues and services is a core value of OYSA.

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Let the fireworks begin. So this is a go and the fight is on. We all knew it would, but this is the first major offensive by OYSA.


1) Are a majority of the local Elite Clubs switching to OPL? (ESFC, FCP, LO, SSC, THUSC & WSC)
2) Will OPL be able to infiltrate the Far West Regional pooling? (does it matter)
3) OYSA has the majority of the power now, will they have to fold if they have to lose some or most of it?
4) Can two originasations (OPL & OYSA) exsist in the Portland area?
5) Do you really think an Elite Club will have to fold because of OYSA above mentioned? (power in #'s)?
6) Who thinks this is crazy and feels that no matter what the players are pawns and will take the blunt of the losses?

[Tieyourshoes]

I vote for #6. In the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along!?"

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Well it's probably a good thing that OYSA is getting a kick in the butt, but it's clear to me that having two state soccer organizations is going to be an overall a bad thing.

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Nothing Good

Nothing good will come out of this.

The OPL has announced that they will not be bringing any competitive teams to play in the OYSA leagues U10-U18 (thus no State Cup, Presidents Cup, Far West Regionals, etc.) next year.

I have a child playing on one of those teams and not one word has been mentioned to our team about this from the club. I think that these clubs will keep it quiet as long as they can as to not upset the apple cart before they get a horse attached and it's rolling forward (tryouts and teams formed).

Then most parents will be between a rock and hard spot for this year I see. They wont have time to change or fear their player wont be able to get on a comparable team after it's too late.

The other problem as I see it is this. You have 8 clubs that have formed a "for profit" organization. The excess funds as they receive it will only line their pockets and not one penny will go back into development or support of the clubs that play in their league. They have no structure and no immediate direction. Only to make money for themselves. If you have an issue with one of these 8 clubs, who will make a determination as to the outcome or resolution ? Do you think that they will side against themselves over a "non OPL" club ? Dont hurt yourself laughing at that one.

OYSA has supported every club in this state since day one. They have never alienated any for being too far away.

Big and Small. These same BIG clubs made it to where they are today because of OYSA, because of the programs and support OYSA offered them when they were small and fledgling. Now that they have risen to the giants they all think they are, they are flexing their muscles and like someone else stated "taking their ball and playing somewhere else...........cause they can".

By dividing the state into two parts, it will only dilute both programs. Washington has been successful at it, only cause they have 3x the amount of players Oregon does. Our state only has one central volume of players and thats in the Portland area. But that shouldnt hinder those that live say in Eugene, Medford, Bend, Corvalis, Hood River, etc. But the OPL doesnt care and theyve made that quite clear in their communications so far. If you want to play in their league, you will have to travel to the Portland area for every game. How will that make soccer better in Oregon ? It sure make it more profitable for their teams and clubs.

Speaking of costs savings. I dont see one of these clubs announcing that their competitive tuition's are going down next year. Where did all this savings go ? (OK....dont answer that one out loud)

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OPL not the way to go

What you have is a group of guys that have controlled the soccer at their clubs for way too many years. They don't listen to parents, they don't listen to the players, and I have heard they really don't even listen to each other. This is all about money, control, money, control and oh yeah, money and control. These guys are fighting for their lives as the big clubs have HUGE financial overheads and are rapidly losing money. Have you asked to see their tax returns or even their financial reports recently? If not, you should. It's your money they are spending and it's your money that is being wasted.

There are now clubs that are truly competing against them and they see their families leaving for lower fees, better treatment, and teams that are now better in many cases. (Which clubs won all of the U12-U14 boys State Cup titles in 2009??)

Having had kids at these clubs in the past and now way happier at their 'competition' I hope they lose the battle. For them to say State Cup doesn't matter when it's the first thing you see on their websites when they brag about their success is extremely ironic.

Their league plans have no substance and no real direction. OYSA has been a soccer supporter for years of every single club in Oregon and as with any large group, they are finally making changes. Slowly, but they are happening. These clubs just don't like to be told what to do and they don't care about anyone else.

I am just glad my money no longer goes to them and the rest of the state does not need them.

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The other problem as I see it is this. You have 8 clubs that have formed a "for profit" organization. The excess funds as they receive it will only line their pockets and not one penny will go back into development or support of the clubs that play in their league. They have no structure and no immediate direction. Only to make money for themselves. If you have an issue with one of these 8 clubs, who will make a determination as to the outcome or resolution ? Do you think that they will side against themselves over a "non OPL" club ? Dont hurt yourself laughing at that one.

Says who? You KNOW for a fact the OPL are not a non-profit company? You know for a fact the 8 member clubs will take money from the OPL? You know for a fact they are in it to make money? You know for a fact they will side against "non OPL" clubs, as you say, if there is a dispute? I would like to see where you are getting this information because I am 99% certain you are incorrect in these assertions.

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These clubs just don't like to be told what to do and they don't care about anyone else.

OYSA just don't like to be told what to do and they don't care about anyone else.

Hey, look at that...it works both ways!

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Pricing

$28.00 x 18 - $504.00
$1000.00
$600.00
=$2104/149(+/- for QT) = $151.00 per game = priceless

Why would it cost about $150.00 to put two teams on the field of play for a game? Just this week reports on unemployment claims has Oregon at the third highest in the nation. OYSA should be working to drive costs down rather than go higher, or they will be adding to the unemployment numbers with their staffers.

Having been a team manger for both of my daughter's teams.... we never ever had 18 players. One year we luckily had 15, but usually both teams had 13-14 players (and this at one of the OPL groups that say they have so many kids). Also, I believe the referee crew per game costs about $70. But, even with that, there are still overhead expenses. Who tracks the rosters? Who tracks the red and yellow cards? Who makes sure referees are scheduled? Who schedules the games? Who made sure fields were available. I think overall, soccer is cheaper than many other sports. It takes lots of people to make sure games occur and that there are league standings and State Cup and President's Cup tournaments.

I for one would pay even more to have the qualifying tournament. Do we really want a group of coaches sitting in the back room and putting teams in the brackets? I certainly do not. How fair is that? There is no way those coaches would ever say their team is worst than a team from an outlying area.

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These clubs are only elite in their minds - not anyone elses

Let the fireworks begin. So this is a go and the fight is on. We all knew it would, but this is the first major offensive by OYSA.


1) Are a majority of the local Elite Clubs switching to OPL? (ESFC, FCP, LO, SSC, THUSC & WSC)
2) Will OPL be able to infiltrate the Far West Regional pooling? (does it matter)
3) OYSA has the majority of the power now, will they have to fold if they have to lose some or most of it?
4) Can two originasations (OPL & OYSA) exsist in the Portland area?
5) Do you really think an Elite Club will have to fold because of OYSA above mentioned? (power in #'s)?
6) Who thinks this is crazy and feels that no matter what the players are pawns and will take the blunt of the losses?

The clubs you list are already OPL. They along with PCU and OSA are the group of head coaches and club presidents that are fighting with OYSA. The head guys at these clubs are not getting their way and they are now trying to cause dissension among the entire state to get everyone to join them. I SAY WE SHOULD NOT!!!! I have a daughter on one of these teams and we are now being told we will not play in State Cup next year. We're having a great time this year and look to win it all. How do these clubs think they can decide for me that our team cannot do State Cup. Are these guys for real?? We had heard about this but our club head coach kept saying it would not happen. Well, I'm hearing they knew all along this could happen and why are these clubs not being truthful with their families? Who do they think pays their huge salaries?

I wish these 'men' would grow up and realize soccer is for the KIDS and not their egos. I wish they would all just go home and let the kids play.

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Parents of OPL club. Its time to tell them either stay in OYSA or we will go to a club that is in OYSA.

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Parents of OPL club. Its time to tell them either stay in OYSA or we will go to a club that is in OYSA.

Why don't we just act rationally and hear them out at the meeting before we act like a bunch of lemmings and go rushing over a cliff?