Future of OR Soccer

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So, are you saying that OYSA is based on an assumption? The assumption that they serve all of Oregon? If that is the case, giving a club the option to be part of either OYSA or OPL is a good thing. And hopefully they will keep the best interest of the kids in mind when making the choice.

Option:
Why not break Oregon down into into say 6 separate regions.
NW, West Central, SW then NE, East Central and SE. (or 4 = NW,SW, NE & SE) They all have league play to determine who represents from that region. One weekend the 6 (or 4) representing teams meet to determine who, indeed, is the best in the state and will represent Oregon at Regionals. That way you only play teams in your region and don't have to travel extensively unless you sign up for a tournament or or have friendlies or whatever. Then, the only traveling you would HAVE to do as a team would be to the 6 (or 4) team play-off to determine an actual state champion.

my 2 cents.

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So, are you saying that OYSA is based on an assumption? The assumption that they serve all of Oregon? If that is the case, giving a club the option to be part of either OYSA or OPL is a good thing.

You're going to have to explain that further. I think you're missing a sentence or two in there.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;290387]No one here is saying that these clubs don't have the right to do what they are doing (if by "right" you mean legal right). We're asking - is it right to be doing what they're doing? (I assume you're the same person who has been promoting that we take a business-centric, rather than kid-centric, view to answer this question)
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Ok so the clubs are just making a choice for what they believe is right for their club. They are offering another choice for others. They are not forcing anyone to do anything. Why should they not be allowed to do that?

If it was a single club doing this by themselves would we say they couldn't do it? No. When FC pulled their boys to go play in Development league did we say they couldn't. It didn't work and they are now back. Maybe this will be the same.

It is only because it is so many clubs that are choosing this that we are saying they shouldn't do it? Why? What responsibility do they have to all of the other clubs?

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Ok so the clubs are just making a choice for what they believe is right for their club. They are offering another choice for others. They are not forcing anyone to do anything. Why should they not be allowed to do that?

They are allowed to do it. Please get that straight. No one is saying otherwise.

Should they do it? I'm not so sure.
-It looks like they won't be playing in state cup (a big deal)
-Having the big clubs running things is a bad idea, in my opinion
-Clubs outside the portland area get unfairly treated (a taste of what's to come because of the point above)

There may be some positives
-You won't be paying into OYSA so you might save some money (where will it go, as someone earlier pointed out?)
-You can do things that OYSA wouldn't allow (maybe we'll hear some of these at the meeting)
-If you live in Portland you'll go from a few out of town trips a year to zero

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Ok so the clubs are just making a choice for what they believe is right for their club. They are offering another choice for others. They are not forcing anyone to do anything. Why should they not be allowed to do that?

If it was a single club doing this by themselves would we say they couldn't do it? No. When FC pulled their boys to go play in Development league did we say they couldn't. It didn't work and they are now back. Maybe this will be the same.

It is only because it is so many clubs that are choosing this that we are saying they shouldn't do it? Why? What responsibility do they have to all of the other clubs?

Wow. All things you should have learned in kindergarten.

1. The difference between being able to do something and actually doing it. You CAN call your friend's girlfriend fat, but SHOULD you?

2. Playing well with others. As an individual (club) do you have a responsibility to others (clubs)? Yes. A community (like our beloved soccer community) requires that individuals (clubs) respect others to work properly. Sometimes the principal (OYSA) needs to get involved when individuals aren't behaving properly.

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Wow. All things you should have learned in kindergarten.



Playing well with others. As an individual (club) do you have a responsibility to others (clubs)? Yes. A community (like our beloved soccer community) requires that individuals (clubs) respect others to work properly. Sometimes the principal (OYSA) needs to get involved when individuals aren't behaving properly.

So when you joined the Boy scouts or your local gym or chose a school or a church and then decided to quit, you didn't because of the good of everyone else? You have never quit anything in your life, even when it wasn't working or good for you because of the good of everyone else? I am not being overly dramatic. Just using that for an example. Just because it is more than one individual leaving does that change the responsibility of the individual?

Next point: Yes OYSA should get involved when individuals aren't behaving properly. They could kick that individual out. Now once that individual is out of OYSA, they can do whatever they want. Maybe they will even form their own league and see if anyone else wants to play with them?

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http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/ass...roposal_10.pdf

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Opl

http://www.oregonpremierleague.com/d...gue%20FAQs.pdf

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http://www.oregonpremierleague.com/d...gue%20FAQs.pdf

Thank you for the reference. Does answer a lot of questions. However, as others have asked on this forum and what the FAQ's don't answer is, "why?" Unless I'm missing something, there simply are vague references to "we wanted different things for the growth of soccer," "our philosophies and opinions are informed by the eight DOC's from our founding clubs," and "we are moving in a different direction." The continued references to the number of championships won by the 8 clubs really comes across as "we're taking our ball and going home." Yes, these questions can be asked at the 4/18 meeting, but can't the "why" question simply be addressed before hand by someone? Thanks.

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My understanding is the same thing happened to the state ski association: the top teams wanted more control and believed they held all the cards so they've broken away. From what I understand it stinks and a lot of kids and parents aren't happy.

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It's funny how much people resist change. For as long as I can remember, people have griped about OYSA and the scheduling issues and the qualifying tournaments and tryouts the day after state cup and this, that and the other thing. Now, there's a group of people who are presenting another choice, another option and it's a bad thing because of who's heading up the changes? Please. Apparently, it was an open group...the people who showed up consistently and put time into effecting change and providing a voice for competitive soccer players are the ones who make up the group as it is now. We can't say we want to contribute positively to what our kids our doing, but the only thing we can do is sit on a couch and gripe about it or go on a message board and vent anonymously, like that's some grand contribution? I'm looking forward to attending this meeting and asking some questions and getting some answers to what this league has in store for my kids. We belong to one of these clubs and since my kids like it, there's no reason to make a change; I'm interested to hear why our director decided to throw our hat in with this league instead of sticking with OYSA, and it'll be better hearing it first hand, rather than sitting at home, waiting to pounce on a message board for details.

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It's funny how much people resist change. For as long as I can remember, people have griped about OYSA and the scheduling issues and the qualifying tournaments and tryouts the day after state cup and this, that and the other thing. Now, there's a group of people who are presenting another choice, another option and it's a bad thing because of who's heading up the changes? Please. Apparently, it was an open group...the people who showed up consistently and put time into effecting change and providing a voice for competitive soccer players are the ones who make up the group as it is now. We can't say we want to contribute positively to what our kids our doing, but the only thing we can do is sit on a couch and gripe about it or go on a message board and vent anonymously, like that's some grand contribution? I'm looking forward to attending this meeting and asking some questions and getting some answers to what this league has in store for my kids. We belong to one of these clubs and since my kids like it, there's no reason to make a change; I'm interested to hear why our director decided to throw our hat in with this league instead of sticking with OYSA, and it'll be better hearing it first hand, rather than sitting at home, waiting to pounce on a message board for details.

Gosh, what cynisism. Most of what I'm reading and hearing is a request for more information. I generally believe it best to gather facts before a meeting like this. Others prefer to wait. So be it. Neither is right or wrong. Even the fact that it's a done deal and you're still waiting to hear why your director decided to throw your team's hat in the ring says a lot - to me at least.

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the fact that it's a done deal and you're still waiting to hear why your director decided to throw your team's hat in the ring says a lot - to me at least.[/QUOTE]

This probably one of the best points made the during the entire 9 pages of this blog. Why was this such a secret or at least an openly talked about thing. Most parents at our club don't even have a clue any of this is going on.

If our clubs are so proud of their venture and sure they are so "right" why not be working with the parents all along.

Seems as if this is more about the clubs and what they want then what their "customers" want. If any of you stop to really think and be honest with yourselves, how often has your club really listened and changed anything the "customers" have been unhappy with. How about the abusive coaches who terrorize players. Just one example. The truth is you may be a paying customer but you either accept the way things are at your club or your adviced to find another.

HOw many of your clubs are even talking to you about this meeting coming up or the changes happening? Seems rather odd.

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It's funny how much people resist change. For as long as I can remember, people have griped about OYSA and the scheduling issues and the qualifying tournaments and tryouts the day after state cup and this, that and the other thing.

I've never known an organization like OYSA that people didn't complain about. They're an easy target. Given the way OPL is starting, I don't think the target's going to get any smaller.

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http://www.oregonpremierleague.com/d...gue%20FAQs.pdf

http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/ass...roposal_10.pdf

I didn't see a huge difference how the two will be running things other than...

8v8 or 11v11
State Cup
Qualifyings

Governing body (one of members of 8 clubs)

I guess I'm still struggling with coming to an understanding other then what seems that these 8 clubs want to be in control. OYSA wouldn't bend to their demands and they have decided that they are big enough to move on.

What exactly are the reasons they are leaving? If you read the board minutes from OYSA, it seemed as if they were the issues above, qualifyings & number of players on field. Are there other reasons?

Reading both the above links, OYSA has a very laid out plan. OPL has alot of vaguer explanations of things.

They're not really sure how or what tournaments the top teams will do instead of state cup. THey mention the issue of no ODP and offer the Timbers thing as a carrot (but according to the OYSA board minutes (on their website), they've been in talks with the TImbers in regards to working with them and the ODP program. Also, isn't the Timbers doing a thing for the boys side only?

We've all been getting frustrated with OYSA for not knowing what's going on with seeding, schedules etc. But, OPL really doesn't have a solid plan or least one they are communicating.

Food for thought. Read the links above and see what you think.