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Not always. Some schools inflate grades terribly, even AP classes, and not all kids will pass the AP exams. Poorer districts also don't have as many advanced courses and poorer students can't afford to take college classes and local CCs. Our school does not inflate grades, much to the consternation of parents and kids. Sure they're very well prepared for the challenges of college. But often enough they don't have the GPA numbers to get in the door to top schools (they will have the test scores but that often isn't enough). Local schools know how strong our HS is and it's less of an issue. Schools further away don't realize how challenging our HS is and there's lots of disappointments this time of year.

Know private schools that try to guarantee every kid the A in Dual Enrollment and AP classes. A private college prep school's reputation is dependent upon getting lots of students into UF and FSU.

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It is an art and a science to these computer analysts making the admittance decisions. They can only take about the top 10% from each high school max. They have to balance out the diversity from the 60 counties in Florida. A student attending a reputable private prep school who is ranked 50th in the class with a 4.5 GPA and high test scores won't get in. The computer is comparing students within the same school and county.

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https://www.thoughtco.com/sat-score-...olleges-788647

A Side-by-Side Comparison of SAT Admissions Data for Florida Colleges Feb 3, 2019

If the student doesn't have the test scores, the computer makes the first cut there.

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Not always. Some schools inflate grades terribly, even AP classes, and not all kids will pass the AP exams. Poorer districts also don't have as many advanced courses and poorer students can't afford to take college classes and local CCs. Our school does not inflate grades, much to the consternation of parents and kids. Sure they're very well prepared for the challenges of college. But often enough they don't have the GPA numbers to get in the door to top schools (they will have the test scores but that often isn't enough). Local schools know how strong our HS is and it's less of an issue. Schools further away don't realize how challenging our HS is and there's lots of disappointments this time of year.

Are you saying the school does not have weighted GPA and only has unweighted GPA on the transcript? Regardless, the university will recompute the GPA and weight honors and ap classes in the admission process.

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Here it is in full with edited Average SAT score. The irony is that a university that prides itself in research can't get its press release numbers out correctly and it doesn't have the breakdown of diversity, geographic and gender statistics. The biggest drawback of UF according to students we have talked to is that it is a research university. The professors only came about their research and grant money to the point they don't teach or hire graduate students to do their teaching. The freshman feel like a number and the university expects the students to hit their grade marks to get accepted into their major. The students transfering in from community colleges are hitting the marks.

"UF admits more than 14,000

About 6,500 students will opt to come to UF, officials say.

The University of Florida’s class of 2023 is starting to take shape.

Florida admitted 14,136 students over the weekend to its incoming class, down slightly from the 14,866 admitted last year. Of the 14,136 admits, 3,108 were admitted for the summer B session, while 11,027 were admitted for fall semester.

Of the 14,136 admitted, UF officials expect to enroll about 6,550 for the 2023 class.

There were 1,514 admitted to the honors program, 498 to the Innovation Academy and 3,149 to the Pathway to Campus Admission (PaCE) program.

The admission class profile has an average grade point average of 4.45, with a median GPA between 4.3-4.6. The average SAT score is 1,388, with a median score of 1,330-1,460. The average ACT score is 31, with a median between 29 and 33.

The average GPA of the class (from 4.4 to 4.45), average SAT score of the class (1,364 to 1,388) and average ACT score of the class (30 to 31) all improved from class profile academic measures a year ago.

“That’s a good reflection of how competitive the applicant pool was,” UF spokesman Steve Orlando said.

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Diversity and gender breakdowns of the admissions were not available as of late Monday afternoon, Orlando said.

After an 18 percent surge in applications in 2018, UF’s application numbers went up by 1.4 percent to a record 41,407 applicants in 2019. The record number of applicants follows a national trend. The University of North Carolina, University of Virginia and Boston University were among schools that also received a record number of early applicants for the 2023 class.

Florida moved up one spot to No.8 in the latest U.S. News and Report rankings for public universities, which UF officials believe played a role in the high number of applicants.

“The record number of applicants, it definitely represents our increasing our reach not only in the state but throughout the country,” Orlando said.

While specific geographic breakdowns of applicants were not available, Orlando said UF traditionally gets a high number of applications from New York, Texas, California and Georgia."
https://www.gainesville.com/news/201...ore-than-14000

UF had more applicants than last year and admitted 700 less than last year. UF and FSU use the national coalition application to recruit students with the top GPA and test scores from around the nation. This is how these colleges keep increasing their mean GPA and test scores for the admittance class even if most of the students will not actually enroll in the fall. Got to keep getting bumped up on the best public college in the nation rankings.

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How many out-of-state students did UF admit for the summer/fall freshman 2019 class?

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USF was awarded Preeminent status like UF and FSU. Average GPA to get into USF has risen to 4.2.

USF is a great safe school for kids who did not get in elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that. All the Florida schools are on the rise nationally but there is still a gap.

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Are you saying the school does not have weighted GPA and only has unweighted GPA on the transcript? Regardless, the university will recompute the GPA and weight honors and ap classes in the admission process.

No they have both. They just don't hand out As like lollipops to keep parents quiet (and believe me, there are some very noisy parents who can't accept that Johnny isn't an A+ student; Johnny is smart but he's also a lazy sh it). A's are earned.

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UF, FSU, USF and UCF want to keep up their Public college pre-eminent status to get more research money and to keep moving up in the top public college rankings. To keep the pre-eminent status they must have a high mean GPA and SAT-ACT for the freshman admittance class whose statistics are tracked. Most of the high achieving students in Florida apply to the Big Four to see if they can get admitted and get scholarships. This has left the A- and B+ average students and students who aren't A standardized test takers out in the dust.

Spin it as you like but USF is not difficult to get into. Grade/score average are on the rise no doubt but B average kids still get in with strong scores or high A average kids still get in with weaker scores. USF admits over 45%. UF and to some degree FSU look for both grades and scores as well as social activities. It is what it is.

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USF is a great safe school for kids who did not get in elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that. All the Florida schools are on the rise nationally but there is still a gap.

Only a gap in what they want to major in. UF is a college where can get a graduate degee in certain specialized majors maybe not found at another, but the same basic four year degree can be obtained at any of the Big Four. The student will need to consider where they want to live while in college, the internship opportunities around campus, and other factors like if they will need to transfer for graduate studies. Know plenty of students who blow their freshman 101 gpas at UF and FSU and need transfer to UCF or USF to get into graduate school. Know a girl who was raped her freshman year on campus at UF by a christian frat boy and she transfered out. There are very many factors to consider.

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All of the Big Four only have enough on campus residence hall living for the freshman and then they are kicked to the curb to go live in the ghettos off campus. They need to check out how they will shuttle or scooter to campus, where they can park a car, what the crime rates are once leave campus, and what life is like if they spend years of graduate school in that location.

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No they have both. They just don't hand out As like lollipops to keep parents quiet (and believe me, there are some very noisy parents who can't accept that Johnny isn't an A+ student; Johnny is smart but he's also a lazy sh it). A's are earned.

Get out of your world and you might realise that students have to earn the A at their public schools too. College professors are teaching the Dual Enrollment classes and AP classes are no cake walk at most high schools. To get an A is not easy. They miss two to four questions on an exam and they have a B. Our students are feeling lots of pressure today to know one B in a class (a B in a high school college DE or AP class that gets weighted) could keep them out of getting into a college.

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Only a gap in what they want to major in. UF is a college where can get a graduate degee in certain specialized majors maybe not found at another, but the same basic four year degree can be obtained at any of the Big Four. The student will need to consider where they want to live while in college, the internship opportunities around campus, and other factors like if they will need to transfer for graduate studies. Know plenty of students who blow their freshman 101 gpas at UF and FSU and need transfer to UCF or USF to get into graduate school. Know a girl who was raped her freshman year on campus at UF by a christian frat boy and she transfered out. There are very many factors to consider.

You know plenty of students? Really? By your logic a BBA from Harvard is no different than a BBA from USF. Your own comment that kids transfer from UF or FSU to USF/UCF agrees with point everyone else is making. USF is a 2nd tier university in its own state and certainly not respected on any level nationally.

You would have better luck arguing USF's football program is on the same level with Alabama or Clemson.

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Spin it as you like but USF is not difficult to get into. Grade/score average are on the rise no doubt but B average kids still get in with strong scores or high A average kids still get in with weaker scores. USF admits over 45%. UF and to some degree FSU look for both grades and scores as well as social activities. It is what it is.

NO students are getting into USF with 3.0 B overall weighted GPA averages unless they are a special consideration like a soccer or football player. You are living in another age. USF average GPA of its freshman class is 4.2. A student may transfer in with a lower GPA after getting an AA at the community college. But USF doesn't take seniors with overall average B GPAs anymore.

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You know plenty of students? Really? By your logic a BBA from Harvard is no different than a BBA from USF. Your own comment that kids transfer from UF or FSU to USF/UCF agrees with point everyone else is making. USF is a 2nd tier university in its own state and certainly not respected on any level nationally.

You would have better luck arguing USF's football program is on the same level with Alabama or Clemson.

Many freshman flunk out of UF and FSU and don't make it and go back home to their local cities. Gainesville and Tallahassee ghettos off campus aren't for everyone. UF and FSU professors are totally there for their research grants. They are research colleges and they don't really care how successful their freshmen or graduate students are because it is only about the research. USF as a pre-eminent college also has the research to get the pre-eminent designation.