Breaking News: Fox News reporting Trump colluded with Russia

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Talk about all over the place. You're so confused that you're attacking claims nobody is even making. Let's recap what is actually being debated, shall we? In post #877 you said:

So I showed you the executive order where Obama imposed sanctions and kicked out Russian intelligence operatives in response to the 2016 election. Now you're trying to backpedal and change the argument into "Obama didn't do enough". That sounds like a surrender to me.

Later in that same post you said:

So I pointed out that 6/20/16 was the date on the intelligence report, but the report wasn't actually released to the public until after the election. And you've offered nothing to back up the assertion that the alleged "pee tape" or anything else in the Steele dossier equates to election interference on the same level as Russia's illegal hacking of private documents or Trump's illegal extortion of foreign leaders.

If you're going to claim you "DESTROYED" anything, you're gonna have to do better than that. You're still batting .000, comrade.

You're really reaching on this one. You're trying so hard to justify your favorite president's ineptness. Your whole argument is that Obama was "tough" on Russia for expelling 35 Russian diplomats, right? Ok got it. What you failed to reveal is that he did 29 days before leaving the WH for good and over a month after the election. Really? So it begs the question...what the hell did he do for the EIGHT YEARS before to stop decades-long Russian attempts at election interference? That's why every liberal link I provided hammered him on his “unprepared”, “ineffective”, “delayed”, “paralyzed”, “weak”, “flawed”, “apathetic” and “failed” attempt to stop Russian interference. Their words, not mine. He knew about the interference and "DID NOTHING" to stop it before the election. Rather than accepting that truth like most educated journalists have, you Libtards tried to conjure up some fake hoax about Trump to cover for your boy's fecklessness. How'd that work out for ya? ;)

Secondly, you're obviously just a headline reader who doesn't do his homework. It's pretty apparent you didn't read a single link. I don't blame you, it kills your narrative. Don't take my word for it, just read the links. They talk about how your oppositional research narrative is complete BS and how prior to HRC, no other political party or figure has ever been found to pay foreign spies connected to our greatest enemy for fake disinformation used for the sole purpose of INTERFERING with a US Presidential election. That's right, they say the same thing I do? Your whole argument is that the Steele dossier was released in January 2017 but I showed you the facts how Senator McCain admittedly and purposely leaked this information prior to the election. I showed you how MSNBC had been reporting the exact same "dossier" material for months leading into November. You have offered no response to McCain's admission that he leaked the content of the dossier. You offered no response, that for some weird reason, MSNBC had access to this material and employed the guy who had first-hand knowledge of this information.

Both your theories have been disproven. Deep down you know Obama was soft on Russia and the rest of the world with his weak "red-lines". Acting on Russian interference 29 days before he retired is laughable and quite frankly, should be insulting to your whole argument. Things aren't always what they seem. You said Trump has done nothing to stop election interference yet I proved you wrong again. We can do this all day. I enjoy poking holes in all your BS.

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Here’s how strong Obama was on Russian interference in the 2016 election:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...tion?_amp=true

Obama's cybersecurity coordinator confirms Susan Rice ordered him to 'stand down' on Russian meddling

Michael Daniel confirmed Wednesday that former national security adviser Susan Rice ordered him and his staff to "stand down" in 2016 in regard to Russian attempts to meddle in the 2016 election.

The Washington Post reported that Obama himself — along with three top aides — was given direct evidence from the CIA of Russian President Vladimir Putin's cyber campaign to influence the election.

The Obama administration reportedly knew of Russia's actions for months ahead of the 2016 election, but failed to take retaliatory action until December.

"It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia said of the administration's inaction. “I feel like we sort of choked."

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/o...204935758.html

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...698a9d1112/amp

https://www.theblaze.com/amp/susan-r...ing-2620612435

Mother Jones explained:

One day in late August, national security adviser Susan Rice called Daniel into her office and demanded he cease and desist from working on the cyber options he was developing. “Don’t get ahead of us,” she warned him. The White House was not prepared to endorse any of these ideas. Daniel and his team in the White House cyber response group were given strict orders: “Stand down.” She told Daniel to “knock it off,” he recalled.

Daniel walked back to his office. “That was one pissed-off national security adviser,” he told one of his aides.

At his morning staff meeting, Daniel matter-of-factly said to his team that it had to stop work on options to counter the Russian attack: “We’ve been told to stand down.” Daniel Prieto, one of Daniel’s top deputies, recalled, “I was incredulous and in disbelief. It took me a moment to process. In my head I was like, ‘Did I hear that correctly?'” Then Prieto spoke up, asking, “Why the hell are we standing down? Michael, can you help us understand?” Daniel informed them that the orders came from both Rice and Monaco. They were concerned that if the options were to leak, it would force Obama to act. “They didn’t want to box the president in,” Prieto subsequently said.

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It's pretty apparent you didn't read a single link.

Every link undermines your own statement in post #877 that Obama did "absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference". Every single one acknowledges his actions against the Russians, although some have the opinion that it wasn't enough.

I get it, you want to mis-state my position to make it easier to attack. Unfortunately for you, resorting to strawman techniques just makes it more obvious that you've lost the argument.

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Every link undermines your own statement in post #877 that Obama did "absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference". Every single one acknowledges his actions against the Russians, although some have the opinion that it wasn't enough.

I get it, you want to mis-state my position to make it easier to attack. Unfortunately for you, resorting to strawman techniques just makes it more obvious that you've lost the argument.

Gave the “stand down” order to his subordinates not to retaliate against confirmed Russian interference prior the 2016 election. Finally acted after the election and 29 days before leaving the WH while under immense pressure from the colossal Clinton loss. “Did nothing” to stop the interference while it was happening. Those are the facts and any liberal spin falls short. Once again, your Libtard narrative didn’t hold up. Better luck next time! 😂

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Gave the “stand down” order to his subordinates not to retaliate against confirmed Russian interference prior the 2016 election. Finally acted after the election and 29 days before leaving the WH while under immense pressure from the colossal Clinton loss. “Did nothing” to stop the interference while it was happening. Those are the facts and any liberal spin falls short. Once again, your Libtard narrative didn’t hold up. Better luck next time! 😂

So Obama should have acted before he had evidence the interference was happening?

Your backpedaling has become comical. In post #877 you said "he did nothing", without equivocation. Just admit you got it wrong, comrade.

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Six feet

So Obama should have acted before he had evidence the interference was happening?

Your backpedaling has become comical. In post #877 you said "he did nothing", without equivocation. Just admit you got it wrong, comrade.

#877. His own administration called him out on his lack of action. Think about that. The “hardest thing” in his entire career was trying to defend Obama’s inaction. There’s nothing more damaging to your argument than getting it from the horse’s mouth. Had the evidence for MONTHS prior to the election!!! Keep trying!

The Obama administration reportedly knew of Russia's actions for months ahead of the 2016 election, but failed to take retaliatory action until December.

The Washington Post reported that Obama himself — along with three top aides — was given direct evidence from the CIA of Russian President Vladimir Putin's cyber campaign to influence the election.

Obama's cybersecurity coordinator confirms Susan Rice ordered him to 'stand down' on Russian meddling

"It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia said of the administration's inaction. “I feel like we sort of choked."

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What kind of a moron says this:

Who was the President for years leading up to the 2016 election that did absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference? I got this one, it was Obama.

And then a couple hours later.thinking it helps his case, posts eight links detailing the things Obama did to punish Russian election interference:

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016 "One basic notion that is false is the idea the Obama administration took no action — it did."
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/15/62928...erence-by-russ "Ultimately, President Obama's administration did take some action against the Russians."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...outputType=amp "the response stuck mostly to warnings of largely unspecified “consequences,” communicated by President Obama to Russian President Vladimir Putin"
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/06/...te-report.html "high-level warnings were delivered to Russian officials"
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/19/o...ngs/index.html "Obama deployed sanctions after the election to punish them for their actions."
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...ussia-meddling "In the fall of 2016, the committee’s report recounts, the Obama administration issued several warnings to Moscow"
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/u...cking.amp.html Paywalled
https://www.republicanleader.senate....n-report-shows "Actions undertaken prior to the November 8, 2016, presidential election included admonishing the Russians at various levels, providing federal assistance to secure state election infrastructure, and issuing a public statement attributing the penetration of the DNC and the disclosure of illicitly obtained information to Moscow."
https://omaha.com/eedition/sunrise/a...e820fa120.html "Political concerns, the report found, played an influential role in the Obama administration's "tempered" response to the Russian threat, as officials' fears about stoking a politically charged election season"

Obama was criticized for not doing more, but the only one claiming Obama "did nothing" was Donald Trump. A provable lie that our resident moron keeps repeating and refuses to admit.

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What kind of a moron says this:


And then a couple hours later.thinking it helps his case, posts eight links detailing the things Obama did to punish Russian election interference:


Obama was criticized for not doing more, but the only one claiming Obama "did nothing" was Donald Trump. A provable lie that our resident moron keeps repeating and refuses to admit.

Thanks for proving my point. HRC’s loss was in November followed by sanctions and expelled diplomats in December, 29 days before leaving office. He “did nothing” prior to the election to stop it. Worse than that he gave “stand down” orders to his administration after he’d been advised of the Russian interference. Strong leadership! Hmm? Don’t take it from me...

"It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia said of the administration's inaction. “I feel like we sort of choked."

Speaking of choking. 😂

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Thanks for proving my point. HRC’s loss was in November followed by sanctions and expelled diplomats in December, 29 days before leaving office. He “did nothing” prior to the election to stop it. Worse than that he gave “stand down” orders to his administration after he’d been advised of the Russian interference. Strong leadership! Hmm? Don’t take it from me...

"It is the hardest thing about my entire time in government to defend,” a former senior Obama administration official involved in White House deliberations on Russia said of the administration's inaction. “I feel like we sort of choked."

Speaking of choking. 😂

You were so busy backpedaling your position from "Obama did nothing" to "he didn't do enough soon enough", that you didn't notice your own links explain why. From the NPR article you provided:

"Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obama's belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Let's ride this out."
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016

Obama wanted to avoid influencing or appearing to influence the election. Let THAT sink in for a minute. This was back when we had a president who cared about fairness, integrity, and democracy.

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You were so busy backpedaling your position from "Obama did nothing" to "he didn't do enough soon enough", that you didn't notice your own links explain why. From the NPR article you provided:

"Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obama's belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Let's ride this out."
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016

Obama wanted to avoid influencing or appearing to influence the election. Let THAT sink in for a minute. This was back when we had a president who cared about fairness, integrity, and democracy.

Not the poster you're arguing with. But yes Obama was in a very difficult position. Trump had already been screaming about a rigged election so any appearance that Obama was trying to give Clinton an advantage would have only fueled the flames. At first they didn't even realize how bad it was getting either.

We will never know the exact impact Russian interference played because it can't really be measured. But there is absolutely no doubt they were doing it and have kept doing it. In the last 3.5 years McConnell blocked multiple bills to improve election security. No matter what side you are on, everyone should be be concerned about protecting our elections.

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You were so busy backpedaling your position from "Obama did nothing" to "he didn't do enough soon enough", that you didn't notice your own links explain why. From the NPR article you provided:

"Obama administration officials have said they worried about appearing to put their thumb on the scales for Clinton. Combined with Obama's belief that Clinton would win, their political calculus appears to have boiled down to: Let's ride this out."
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016

Obama wanted to avoid influencing or appearing to influence the election. Let THAT sink in for a minute. This was back when we had a president who cared about fairness, integrity, and democracy.

That is the most lame, dumb, stupid, idiotic reason not to stop foreign meddling in our US presidential election. Do you hear how pathetically weak that defense is? LET THAT SINK IN. He was worried about his “appearance” while our enemy was trying to reshape our election? Who does that? Wow! Thank you for that example which completely validates everything I have said. He “did nothing”! Now you’re arguing he was too much of a pûssy to do his job. His own administration were embarrassed by his lack of action. “Stand down” everybody. What a complete joke! Never have I ever seen this much hypocrisy. Despite Trumps actions against election interference, you’ll hold him to the fire but defend Obama’s fecklessness over an issue of “appearance”? Say no more. Your argument is as weak as Obama’s action. Excerpt from the same NPR link that you cherry-picked from:

So why didn't Obama's administration do more?
That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

NO ULTIMATE ACTION!

Cares about fairness, integrity, and democracy? Oh really? The same guy who spied on his successor and knew of the criminal unmasking of Flynn and the Logan act BS before Yates did? How is that possible? You mean that guy? Oh the the integrity! Your whole argument that Obama wanted to somehow be fair during this process the funniest thing that has come out of your mouth yet. Every time you try to defend Obama, you look more and more stupid. Lets see this amazing amount of fairness and integrity that you so speak of. Wanna try again?

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...nistration?amp

More willful blindness by the media on spying by Obama administration. The Obama administration targeted the campaign of the opposing party based on false evidence.

Third, the Obama administration had been told that the basis for the FISA application was dubious and likely false. Yet it continued the investigation, and then someone leaked its existence to the media.

Finally, Obama and Biden were aware of the investigation, as were the administration officials who publicly ridiculed Trump when he said there was spying on his campaign.

https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/5221493002

But the fact is that we already have more compelling evidence that the Obama administration engaged in misconduct than we ever did for opening the Russian-collusion investigation.

We know that members of the Obama administration, who had no genuine role in counterintelligence operations, repeatedly unmasked Trump's allies

By 2016, the Obama administration's intelligence community had normalized domestic spying. Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, famously lied about snooping on American citizens to Congress. His CIA director, John Brennan, oversaw an agency that felt comfortable spying on the Senate, with at least five of his underlings breaking into congressional computer files. His attorney general, Eric Holder, invoked the Espionage Act to spy on a Fox News journalist, shopping his case to three judges until he found one who let him name the reporter as a co-conspirator. The Obama administration also spied on Associated Press reporters, which the news organization called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion." And though it's been long forgotten, Obama officials were caught monitoring the conversations of members of Congress who opposed the Iran nuclear deal.

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That is the most lame, dumb, stupid, idiotic reason not to stop foreign meddling in our US presidential election.
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A reasonable argument can be made that Obama should have done more, so I'm not going to argue with you on that point. But to be clear, you are conceding on your original point that Obama "did nothing", so I'll take that win.

I'm still waiting for evidence of your claim that the "pee tape" details from the Steele dossier were released before the election. And you never explained how the dossier interfered with the 2016 election so I'll take that win too.

It's amusing that you appear to be against election interference now. Joe Biden thanks you for supporting his position, and donald trump is taking you off his Christmas card list.

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A reasonable argument can be made that Obama should have done more, so I'm not going to argue with you on that point. But to be clear, you are conceding on your original point that Obama "did nothing", so I'll take that win.

I'm still waiting for evidence of your claim that the "pee tape" details from the Steele dossier were released before the election. And you never explained how the dossier interfered with the 2016 election so I'll take that win too.

It's amusing that you appear to be against election interference now. Joe Biden thanks you for supporting his position, and donald trump is taking you off his Christmas card list.

A reasonable argument was made that Obama “did nothing” to stop Russian interference PRIOR TO the 2016 election when it counted. The “after thought” 29 days before leaving office, which is the basis of your whole argument, was too late and had ZERO impact in any actual interference that took place. Having the knowledge and evidence for months and not acting on it is an impeachable offense, right? At least that’s what Libtards say about Trump’s COVID response. You can’t have both ways. Moreover, it showed his reluctance to stand up for American. FAIL

You still haven’t responded to the fact that the “salacious material” of the fake Steele Dossier was leaked to and reported by the media for months prior to the election. You still haven’t responded to Senator McCain’s admission that he was one of the ones that leaked it to the media for the sole purpose of hurting Trump. Hmm, kinda sounds like some interference, doesn’t it? You still haven’t responded to the fact that MSNBC ran 20 nights of the exact material contained in the dossier prior to the election only later to hire Roger Brennan who had first-hand knowledge of the content. Since your stance is that the dossier couldn’t have played a role in interference because of the 2017 Buzzfeed story, than I will take your silence as another concession. FAIL

Against election interference now? Gee, that’s funny because when Trump hater and CNN Chief Washington Correspondent, Jake Tapper completely disproves your own bullshît, you know you’re losing. Anytime you wanna compare actions against election interference just let me know. And to your mentioning of Biden, just remember who came up with the Logan Act to go after Flynn. More Libtard integrity for ya. FAIL

See ya in November! KAGA 2020

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A reasonable argument was made that Obama “did nothing” to stop Russian interference PRIOR TO the 2016 election when it counted.

For the love of God, let it go comrade. I've quoted your exact statement multiple times. You didn't say he did nothing "before the election". You didn't say his response "didn't go far enough". You said HE DID NOTHING, Period. The facts say otherwise. You lose.

You still haven’t responded to the fact that the “salacious material” of the fake Steele Dossier was leaked to and reported by the media for months prior to the election. You still haven’t responded to Senator McCain’s admission that he was one of the ones that leaked it to the media for the sole purpose of hurting Trump. Hmm, kinda sounds like some interference, doesn’t it? You still haven’t responded to the fact that MSNBC ran 20 nights of the exact material contained in the dossier prior to the election only later to hire Roger Brennan who had first-hand knowledge of the content.

You call these things "facts" but never provide a link or a reference. In my country the burden of proof is on the accuser. Baseless claims are self-refuting, no response necessary.

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For the love of God, let it go comrade. I've quoted your exact statement multiple times. You didn't say he did nothing "before the election". You didn't say his response "didn't go far enough". You said HE DID NOTHING, Period. The facts say otherwise. You lose.


You call these things "facts" but never provide a link or a reference. In my country the burden of proof is on the accuser. Baseless claims are self-refuting, no response necessary.

You truly are a study in inconsistent, contradiction. First, you argue Obama did all this wonderful stuff to stop election interference then you defend his inaction by citing his "appearance". Finally, you conceded that he should have done more. Which is it? I need a seatbelt to stay on this ride. Once again, he DID NOTHING to stop election interference BEFORE the election. Acting only after HRC lost the election, is like putting on a condom after sex. It's a little too late don't ya think? Deep down in the pit of your Libtard loins, you know I'm right. ;)

Secondly, you know I provided you with multiple links showing how then-Senator McCain admitted to leaking the dossier and how MSNBC had access to the content prior to the election. Now you're just being dishonest. You said we didn't find out about the dossier until the 2017 Buzzfeed story but you were proven wrong again. Just because you don't believe it or upset because your BS was exposed, doesn't make it a baseless claim. That's just a cop-out. I'm surprised you gave up so easily. Good luck moving forward. I'm sure we'll argue again over your next false narrative.