Breaking News: Fox News reporting Trump colluded with Russia

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Oh, so the DNC pays a British spy connected to Russia for opposition research against a political rival that was the genesis for the FISA requests that started the Russia investigation. Oh the irony. For the 7th time, what was she trying to gain?

I'll say it louder because you apparently didn't hear the first time: the answer to your question is LEGAL OPPOSITION RESEARCH. Now please explain:
1. How that interfered in the 2016 election, and
2. How that was in any way equivalent to hacking private servers or extorting foreign leaders

Because you are saying the two are equivalent. They. Are. Not.

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I'll say it louder because you apparently didn't hear the first time: the answer to your question is LEGAL OPPOSITION RESEARCH. Now please explain:
1. How that interfered in the 2016 election, and
2. How that was in any way equivalent to hacking private servers or extorting foreign leaders

Because you are saying the two are equivalent. They. Are. Not.

I was hoping you were gonna pin your argument of the opposition research facade because it just shows your hypocrisy. The Biden administration is already sounding the alarm on “election interference” from a massive disinformation campaign pertaining to an on-going Hunter Biden-Ukraine investigation. Here’s the best part, they’re saying this Russian disinformation is “election interference” because it only serves to damage Biden before an election. Hmm, sound familiar? They are actually saying that since the Biden-Ukraine story is “fabricated” any such “suspicious disinformation“ is a direct attempt to interfere with the 2020 election. Wow, how ironic. Where have we heard that before?

You idiots can’t have it both ways. It’s opposition research when Libtards to do but miraculously becomes “election interference when Republicans start snooping around even without paying foreign spies. Let’s look at what Biden is afraid of. He’s concerned that fabricated, unverified, suspicious disinformation may surface just prior to a presidential election for the sole purpose of hurting his election chances. Moreover, he’s scared that news outlets supporting Trump will run with this fabricated material. Really? That would never happen, right? He’s so worried that he’s calling upon congressional investigations to stop, get ready, this ELECTION INTERFERENCE. You can’t make this stuff up. Gee, I wonder how that was in any way equivalent to hacking private servers or extorting foreign leaders. Bottoms line is the DNC, who was controlled by HRC (just asked Bernie) bankrolled and British spy with ties to Russia to come up with a salacious “disinformation campaign” just prior to the 2016 election for the sole purpose of hurting Trump. And they did it under the guise of opposition research. Now your boy, Creepy Joe, is afraid the same is coming his way. Don’t take my word for it, these are the words (election inference) of Biden’s campaign. You were so close this time. I was rooting for ya.

“Democrats Go On Offense On Russian Election Interference As November Approaches“

“ Biden's campaign said that Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, could be at the receiving end of a pipeline of disinformation that originates in Russia.”

Johnson and his committee have said they're continuing to investigate the work Biden's son Hunter did in Ukraine while Biden was the point man on the country's new government for the Obama administration.

Johnson and the Homeland Security Committee are still gathering material and interviewing witnesses with the aim of hearings or other activity targeting the Bidens — and Democrats worry that some of what they reel in could be fabricated or manipulated with the goal of hurting Biden and interfering in the 2020 election.

Biden's charge against Johnson followed an earlier allegation against One America News, a cable news network friendly to President Trump, which Biden's camp suspected also might be in receipt of suspicious material connected to the Ukraine storyline.

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Oh, so the DNC pays a British spy connected to Russia for opposition research against a political rival that was the genesis for the FISA requests that started the Russia investigation.

Incorrect. I will set you straight one more time. You can choose to believe the facts, or you can continue to parrot right-wing (a.k.a. Russian) talking points.

A firm representing the DNC hired Fusion GPS, an American company, who assigned Christopher Steele to the job, who used information from Russian sources to create the report. Neither HRC nor the DNC knew who would be assigned within Fusion GPS, and Steele was unaware who the client was. You can try to draw a straight line between HRC and the Russians all you want, but it just doesn't hold water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

Second, the Russia investigation was triggered by information on Trump campaign member George Papadopoulos's early assertions of Russians having damaging material on Donald Trump's rival candidate Hillary Clinton. Not by the Steele dossier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossf..._investigation)

And your other assertion that the Steele dossier interfered with the 2016 is simply absurd. The investigation was conducted in secret, and the dossier wasn't available to the public until after the election.

So, in summary, you are Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong. You might want to contact your Russian handlers for some better material. Your old stuff isn't working any more.

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I was hoping you were gonna pin your argument of the opposition research facade because it just shows your hypocrisy. The Biden administration is already sounding the alarm on “election interference” from a massive disinformation campaign pertaining to an on-going Hunter Biden-Ukraine investigation. Here’s the best part, they’re saying this Russian disinformation is “election interference” because it only serves to damage Biden before an election. Hmm, sound familiar? They are actually saying that since the Biden-Ukraine story is “fabricated” any such “suspicious disinformation“ is a direct attempt to interfere with the 2020 election. Wow, how ironic. Where have we heard that before?

You idiots can’t have it both ways. It’s opposition research when Libtards to do but miraculously becomes “election interference when Republicans start snooping around even without paying foreign spies. Let’s look at what Biden is afraid of. He’s concerned that fabricated, unverified, suspicious disinformation may surface just prior to a presidential election for the sole purpose of hurting his election chances. Moreover, he’s scared that news outlets supporting Trump will run with this fabricated material. Really? That would never happen, right? He’s so worried that he’s calling upon congressional investigations to stop, get ready, this ELECTION INTERFERENCE. You can’t make this stuff up. Gee, I wonder how that was in any way equivalent to hacking private servers or extorting foreign leaders. Bottoms line is the DNC, who was controlled by HRC (just asked Bernie) bankrolled and British spy with ties to Russia to come up with a salacious “disinformation campaign” just prior to the 2016 election for the sole purpose of hurting Trump. And they did it under the guise of opposition research. Now your boy, Creepy Joe, is afraid the same is coming his way. Don’t take my word for it, these are the words (election inference) of Biden’s campaign. You were so close this time. I was rooting for ya.

“Democrats Go On Offense On Russian Election Interference As November Approaches“

“ Biden's campaign said that Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, could be at the receiving end of a pipeline of disinformation that originates in Russia.”

Johnson and his committee have said they're continuing to investigate the work Biden's son Hunter did in Ukraine while Biden was the point man on the country's new government for the Obama administration.

Johnson and the Homeland Security Committee are still gathering material and interviewing witnesses with the aim of hearings or other activity targeting the Bidens — and Democrats worry that some of what they reel in could be fabricated or manipulated with the goal of hurting Biden and interfering in the 2020 election.

Biden's charge against Johnson followed an earlier allegation against One America News, a cable news network friendly to President Trump, which Biden's camp suspected also might be in receipt of suspicious material connected to the Ukraine storyline.

You are obviously incapable of understanding the distinction I pointed out in post #867. You failed your homework assignment, and are hopelessly brainwashed.

Whataboutism, false equivalence, rinse, repeat. The Russians must be proud to have such an obedient Useful Idiot under their spell.

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You are obviously incapable of understanding the distinction I pointed out in post #867. You failed your homework assignment, and are hopelessly brainwashed.

Whataboutism, false equivalence, rinse, repeat. The Russians must be proud to have such an obedient Useful Idiot under their spell.

Hahaha, even Biden thinks you’re full of ****. Its election interference. Just ask him. 😂

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Hahaha, even Biden thinks you’re full of ****. Its election interference. Just ask him. 😂

Let's recap.

1. In post #862 you claimed that the Steele dossier was "an attempt to INTERFERE AND change the outcome of the 2016 election". Yet you have no explanation for how it could have changed the outcome when the investigation was done secretly and the dossier didn't become public until after the election. And your desperate attempt to equate the DNC's legal opposition research with Trump's/Russia's illegal hacking of private servers and illegal extortion of foreign leaders is laughably absurd. FAIL.

2. In the kompromat thread, I asked you to explain why trump refuses to do anything to combat foreign election interference, against the backdrop of Biden's strong commitment to take decisive action against it. You kept changing the subject and spewing whataboutisms, never answering the question. Here's the truth: The only plausible explanation is that Trump wants Putin's help in November. FAIL.

You're 0 for 2 comrade. You ought to quit before you dig yourself any deeper. Or save your rants for a more receptive audience. I hear Stormfront.org is desperate for followers these days.

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Let's recap.

1. In post #862 you claimed that the Steele dossier was "an attempt to INTERFERE AND change the outcome of the 2016 election". Yet you have no explanation for how it could have changed the outcome when the investigation was done secretly and the dossier didn't become public until after the election. And your desperate attempt to equate the DNC's legal opposition research with Trump's/Russia's illegal hacking of private servers and illegal extortion of foreign leaders is laughably absurd. FAIL.

2. In the kompromat thread, I asked you to explain why trump refuses to do anything to combat foreign election interference, against the backdrop of Biden's strong commitment to take decisive action against it. You kept changing the subject and spewing whataboutisms, never answering the question. Here's the truth: The only plausible explanation is that Trump wants Putin's help in November. FAIL.

You're 0 for 2 comrade. You ought to quit before you dig yourself any deeper. Or save your rants for a more receptive audience. I hear Stormfront.org is desperate for followers these days.

Looks who’s back for more. Sounds like you had a rough night of sleep. So let me get this straight. You say the Steele dossier was done in secret and couldn’t have any bearing on election interference. Hmm if that’s the case, on June 20th 2016 how did we all hear about “pee tapes” and secret Russian meetings that never happened all of which were contained in the dossier? How did the MSM media run with this fake news for 5 months leading up to the election? Gee, pretty fûcking secret, huh. This massive fake “disinformation” hoax, which Biden specifically calls ELECTION INTERFERENCE, dominated the conversation for 5 months prior to the November election. This fake news served its purpose to smear Trump and “sow doubt” in the eyes of the voters. It is also the very thing Biden is concerned about this time around. He’s so concerned that this type of fake, disinformation will harm his campaign that he wants a full congressional investigation. Wow, the irony of it all. Secret Dossier??? FAIL

Your second attempt to blame Trump is the funniest of all. Here’s a question that no Libtard wants to answer. Who was the President in 2016? Let me help you out. It was Obama. Who was the President for years leading up to the 2016 election? I know, it was Obama. Who was the President for years leading up to the 2016 election that did absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference? I got this one, it was Obama. Which brings me to this point...how the fûck can you blame Trump when it was Obama was the one who refused to do anything about it. Trump wasn’t even a presidential candidate when the Obama administration knew about Russia’s interference. Russia was already entrenched in our election process well before Trump entered the picture because of Obama’s dereliction of duty. He failed to protect the integrity of the election. You know Trump had nothing to do with it.

Now that we’ve exposed all of Obama’s weak and failed policies to be tough on election interference, let compare it to Trump’s. As I always say, there is Libtard fantasy then there are facts. I think your mommy is calling. Time for your nap. Come back anytime. I always enjoy exposing your bullshît. 😂

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/vi...-interference/

As Jake Tapper explains, while some critics may argue the president isn’t doing enough, the fact is his administration has taken a number of steps to combat foreign interference in future elections.

Among the actions taken by Trump and his administration:

The Department of Treasury imposed sanctions against Russians who have been indicted for allegedly interfering in the 2016 presidential election.

Trump signed an executive order giving the president discretion to impose sanctions on foreign countries that interfere in U.S. elections.

The Department of Homeland Security has developed partnerships with all 50 states to help local elections officials defend against any election interference.

The FBI is working with social media and technology companies to combat influence campaigns such as the one Russia allegedly engaged in during the 2016 election.

The Director of National Intelligence is leading an inter-agency working group of cyber and intelligence experts to improve election security.

“This appears to be one of those cases where the president’s words belie his actions,” said Charles Stewart III, a political science professor at MIT and a co-author of a report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine on ways the government can work to protect U.S. elections from outside interference. “The federal government has done quite a lot to address Russia’s ongoing interference with America’s elections.”

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You say the Steele dossier was done in secret and couldn’t have any bearing on election interference. Hmm if that’s the case, on June 20th 2016 how did we all hear about “pee tapes” and secret Russian meetings that never happened all of which were contained in the dossier?

Please provide a reference for your claim that "we all heard about the pee tapes" on June 20th, 2016. Steele's intelligence report on that subject was dated 6/20/16, but the information was not released to the public until Buzzfeed leaked it in January 2017.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ties-to-russia

Since your whole argument that the dossier was meant to influence the 2016 election depends on that claim, surely you have something to back that up. Let's have it.

Who was the President for years leading up to the 2016 election that did absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference? I got this one, it was Obama. Which brings me to this point...how the fûck can you blame Trump when it was Obama was the one who refused to do anything about it.

Right-wing trolls have been gaslighting the public on this for years. The fact is, Obama did plenty to punish the Russians for interfering in the 2016 election, including imposing sanctions and booting 35 Russian diplomats (accused of being intelligence officers) out of the country. The fist link below is a good summary, the second link contains the full text of the executive order.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/polit...sia/index.html
https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/do...t-russia/2259/

trump's propagandists are quick to deflect the truth on this, because they don't want people remembering that trump immediately started to roll back those sanctions after taking office:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN15H25A
Why would he do that? I think you know the answer.

Sorry to burst your bubble and shred that long essay you spent all night composing. May I again suggest that you try sharing your views on stormfront.org. You will find kindred spirits there. Nobody is buying your bullsh1t here.

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Please provide a reference for your claim that "we all heard about the pee tapes" on June 20th, 2016. Steele's intelligence report on that subject was dated 6/20/16, but the information was not released to the public until Buzzfeed leaked it in January 2017.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ties-to-russia

Since your whole argument that the dossier was meant to influence the 2016 election depends on that claim, surely you have something to back that up. Let's have it.



Right-wing trolls have been gaslighting the public on this for years. The fact is, Obama did plenty to punish the Russians for interfering in the 2016 election, including imposing sanctions and booting 35 Russian diplomats (accused of being intelligence officers) out of the country. The fist link below is a good summary, the second link contains the full text of the executive order.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/polit...sia/index.html
https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/do...t-russia/2259/

trump's propagandists are quick to deflect the truth on this, because they don't want people remembering that trump immediately started to roll back those sanctions after taking office:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN15H25A
Why would he do that? I think you know the answer.

Sorry to burst your bubble and shred that long essay you spent all night composing. May I again suggest that you try sharing your views on stormfront.org. You will find kindred spirits there. Nobody is buying your bullsh1t here.

Little Johnny didn't do his homework. Looks like Washington and the media did, in fact, spread false disinformation prior to the election in order to smear Trump. Gee, what's the underline theme here? It seems a bunch of reporters think HRC paid for election interference. Go figure. Funny you don't mention Trump's actions to stop interference after you were fact-checked. Why do you keep doing this to yourself? :)

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...sier-bacillus/

In 2016, Hillary Clinton presidential candidate hired an ex-intelligence officer and foreign national, British subject Christopher Steele, to use Russian sources to find dirt (“opposition research”) on her then political opponent Donald Trump. So much for the worry about “foreign interference” in U.S. elections.

Think of the paradox: While Clinton pounded president Trump for supposedly using Russians to win an election, she herself had used fraudulent Russian sources to obtain political advantage by smearing her opponent, apparently in the expectation that she would win the election and her modus operandi would never be discovered, or, even if Steele’s work were publicized and thus discredited, her own fingerprints would never appear — or no one would dare to question President Clinton.

The public would take years to learn of the funding sources of Steele, because Clinton camouflaged her role through three firewalls: the Democratic National Committee; the Perkins-Coie legal firm; and Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS opposition-research firm.

Almost everything in the dossier was unverified and later was proved fanciful. Yet with the help of high Obama administration and elected officials, the dossier’s gossip and rumor were leaked throughout the top echelons of Washington politics and the media.

McCain, who had engaged in a well-publicized feud with Trump, almost immediately met with federal officials and sent his former associate David Kramer to the UK to talk with Steele. McCain himself then gave the dossier to FBI Director Comey. Kramer made sure that the unverified dossier was leaked to media sources before the 2016 election and well after it also.

In McCain’s final memoir, he and his coauthor were defiant about the senator’s role in spreading the unsubstantiated gossip around Washington: “I would do it again. Anyone who doesn’t like it can go to hell.”

By January 2019, almost all sane and informed people did not like the idea of deliberately spreading false information to destroy a presidential candidate and later president, and most certainly they did not feel they should “go to hell” for voicing such outrage.

James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence under Barack Obama, and John Brennan, the former CIA director, both previously had been caught lying under oath to Congress. Both then apologized, and their illegal behaviors were excused without legal consequences. But both once again have not told the full truth about their own knowledge of the Steele dossier, its unverified and mostly false information, and the role they both played in circulating and promulgating the dossier to the media and high government officials.

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Rachael Maddow broadcasted 20 separate shows in 2016 covering that exact same information information contained in the Steele dossier. She never referred to it by name because that nomenclature didn’t come until later. How is that possible if you say the contents of the Steele dossier weren’t revealed until 2017? Hmm, Coincidence or maybe do you think they got leaked information from Brennen who amazing works for that network?

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Looks like Washington and the media did, in fact, spread false disinformation prior to the election in order to smear Trump. Gee, what's the underline theme here? It seems a bunch of reporters think HRC paid for election interference. Go figure.

Let's make this simple. Since you specifically used the "pee tape" as an example, please provide a verifiable reference of that information being released to the public before January 2017 to "influence the election".

Not a word from you on the "Obama did nothing" narrative, so I guess you're surrendering on that one. Good move, you never had a chance.

underline: to draw a line under (a word or phrase) to give emphasis or indicate
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/underline

underlying: lying or situated beneath, as a substratum
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/underlying

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Anytime you hear a Libtard trying to defend Clinton’s blatant attempt to sway the election as opposition research, just remember what really happened. They simply wanna deflect from the fact that HRC and the DNC funded a foreign spy connected with Russsia to conjure up dirt on Trump in order to win the election. An astounding attempt to hide their own election interference. Yet they want you to believe Trump is the shady one. This is first ballot hall-of-fame Libtard hypocrisy at its finest.


Never before - until 2016 - had the apparatus of a U.S. presidential candidate managed to sic the weight of the FBI and U.S. intelligence community on a rival nominee during an election, and by using a foreign-fed, uncorroborated political opposition research document.

But Clinton's campaign, in concert with the Democratic Party and through their shared law firm, funded Christopher Steele's unverified dossier which, it turns out, falsely portrayed Republican Donald Trump as a treasonous asset colluding with Russian President Vladimir Putin to hijack the U.S. election.

Steele went to the FBI to get an investigation started and then leaked the existence of the investigation, with the hope of sinking Trump's presidential aspirations.

On its face, it is arguably the most devious political dirty trick in American history and one of the most overt intrusions of a foreigner into a U.S. election.

It appears the Clinton machine knew that what it was doing was controversial. That's why it did backflips to disguise the operation from Congress and the public, and in its Federal Election Commission (FEC) spending reports.

Clinton and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) used the law firm of Perkins Coie to hire Glenn Simpson's research firm, Fusion GPS, which then hired Steele - several layers that obfuscated transparency, kept the operation off the campaign's public FEC reports and gave the Clintons plausible deniability.

pressure - and bad intel - until an investigation of Trump was started. The bureau and its hapless sheriff at the time, James Comey, eventually acquiesced with the help of such Clinton fans as then-FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

To finish the mission, Simpson and Steele leaked the existence of the FBI investigation to the news media to ensure it would hurt Trump politically. Simpson even called the leaks a "hail Mary" that failed.

The Clinton team's dirty trick was as diabolical as it was brilliant. It literally used house money and a large part of the U.S. intelligence apparatus to carry out its political hit job on Trump.

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Let's make this simple. Since you specifically used the "pee tape" as an example, please provide a verifiable reference of that information being released to the public before January 2017 to "influence the election".

Not a word from you on the "Obama did nothing" narrative, so I guess you're surrendering on that one. Good move, you never had a chance.

underline: to draw a line under (a word or phrase) to give emphasis or indicate
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/underline

underlying: lying or situated beneath, as a substratum
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/underlying

Hahaha, you’re all over the place. I’ve keep destroying every single one of your bullshît arguments so you keep jumping to a new one. Is that what you do? Lose then change the subject? Let’s recap, shall we.

1. Steele dossier not election interference: DESTROYED
2. HRC and DNC didn’t fund Steele dossier: DESTROYED
3. No proof Christopher Steele received payment: DESTROYED
4. No dossier leaks before the election: DESTROYED
5. HRC was just conducting oppositional research: DESTROYED
6. Trump has done nothing to stop election interference: DESTROYED
7. Obama took strong measures to stop election interference prior to 2016: DESTROYED

Let’s take a look how effective Obama was on election interference. Like I said, he did little or nothing prior to election. Most of all his half measures against Russia took place after the election. Too late, Obama. But is Trump’s fault. Got it. Even the liberal news picks apart Obama’s “unprepared”, “ineffective”, “delayed”, “paralyzed”, “weak”, “flawed”, “apathetic” and “failed” attempt to stop Russia. Interference.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/15/62928...erence-by-russ

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...outputType=amp

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/06/...te-report.html

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/19/o...ngs/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...ussia-meddling

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/u...cking.amp.html

https://www.republicanleader.senate....n-report-shows

https://omaha.com/eedition/sunrise/a...e820fa120.html

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Hahaha, you’re all over the place. I’ve keep destroying every single one of your bullshît arguments so you keep jumping to a new one. Is that what you do? Lose then change the subject? Let’s recap, shall we.

1. Steele dossier not election interference: DESTROYED
2. HRC and DNC didn’t fund Steele dossier: DESTROYED
3. No proof Christopher Steele received payment: DESTROYED
4. No dossier leaks before the election: DESTROYED
5. HRC was just conducting oppositional research: DESTROYED
6. Trump has done nothing to stop election interference: DESTROYED
7. Obama took strong measures to stop election interference prior to 2016: DESTROYED

Let’s take a look how effective Obama was on election interference. Like I said, he did little or nothing prior to election. Most of all his half measures against Russia took place after the election. Too late, Obama. But is Trump’s fault. Got it. Even the liberal news picks apart Obama’s “unprepared”, “ineffective”, “delayed”, “paralyzed”, “weak”, “flawed”, “apathetic” and “failed” attempt to stop Russia. Interference.

Talk about all over the place. You're so confused that you're attacking claims nobody is even making. Let's recap what is actually being debated, shall we? In post #877 you said:

Who was the President for years leading up to the 2016 election that did absolutely nothing to stop known Russian interference? I got this one, it was Obama.

So I showed you the executive order where Obama imposed sanctions and kicked out Russian intelligence operatives in response to the 2016 election. Now you're trying to backpedal and change the argument into "Obama didn't do enough". That sounds like a surrender to me.

Later in that same post you said:

. . . on June 20th 2016 how did we all hear about “pee tapes” and secret Russian meetings that never happened all of which were contained in the dossier?

So I pointed out that 6/20/16 was the date on the intelligence report, but the report wasn't actually released to the public until after the election. And you've offered nothing to back up the assertion that the alleged "pee tape" or anything else in the Steele dossier equates to election interference on the same level as Russia's illegal hacking of private documents or Trump's illegal extortion of foreign leaders.

If you're going to claim you "DESTROYED" anything, you're gonna have to do better than that. You're still batting .000, comrade.

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you two should get a room, hopefully infect each other