OCYS Consolidated Thread

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Thank you for showing up late to this discussion. This has been a topic for several months and can be proven by just going online to the OC website. If you are on U12 or U13 "Pre-DA" (or a member of the CM or GB circle) you will train 3 days a week and game. ALL OTHER teams purple or otherwise (other than DA and ECNL) train 2 days a week. Training schedules are online on the OC website. Do you need more facts?

Every competitive team on my sons age group at any other club trains 3 days a week at a minimum.

Again, please cite specific examples of clubs who are training more than the 2-3 times per week. Not "Every competitive team on my sons age group at any other club trains 3 days a week at a minimum." I don't know what age group your son is, please name the club and age group that is training more than 2-3 times per week.

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To give you all information Pre DA and Pre ECNL do not exist and are not recognized by ECNL or US Soccer. All purple teams outside of CM and GB train 2 days a week. OC has a technical training session that is not attended very regularly by anyone and is promoted as day 3. It is not a team training, its just dribbling session. Some coaches (very very few) do provide an additional day but this has to go through the club and quite often the club says "no" especially now as there is less field space and Seminole fields are a wreck.

U9-U13 purple are no different to U14-U18 purple. All those teams should be the funnel through the DA/ECNL system. However, everyone knows that they are not. There is no way a player training 2x a week can compete with a DA/ECNL player training 4 to 5.

I will let you in on a little secret for those families with younger players. You might be tickled pink thinking your kid is on CM's or GB's love fest but your kid is just another player. A small percentage of those 110 players on CM's U12 purple teams have any chance of making DA. Same for GB. When your kid is not chosen you to will go back to 2x a week just like every other player you mock.

You sure are informed here.

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I see a lot of players on the da team that came from OC.

Btw, boys and girls teams are winning at oc, if that is what you look at for success, then they are doing well. Does it mean they are being developed for da and ecnl, I don't know, but I do believe regardless of that, my kid is getting the best training they can in central florida. All the younger boys teams are doing very well and so are the girls. Shock to some I guess but oc puts a lot of work into the younger kids.

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To give you all information Pre DA and Pre ECNL do not exist and are not recognized by ECNL or US Soccer. All purple teams outside of CM and GB train 2 days a week. OC has a technical training session that is not attended very regularly by anyone and is promoted as day 3. It is not a team training, its just dribbling session. Some coaches (very very few) do provide an additional day but this has to go through the club and quite often the club says "no" especially now as there is less field space and Seminole fields are a wreck.

U9-U13 purple are no different to U14-U18 purple. All those teams should be the funnel through the DA/ECNL system. However, everyone knows that they are not. There is no way a player training 2x a week can compete with a DA/ECNL player training 4 to 5.

I will let you in on a little secret for those families with younger players. You might be tickled pink thinking your kid is on CM's or GB's love fest but your kid is just another player. A small percentage of those 110 players on CM's U12 purple teams have any chance of making DA. Same for GB. When your kid is not chosen you to will go back to 2x a week just like every other player you mock.

Pre ECNL & DA do exist. They are not recognized as ECNL or DA teams hence the "PRE"...The little secret that you shared is exactly what CM has told us parents in the past... You sound very bitter...

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To give you all information Pre DA and Pre ECNL do not exist and are not recognized by ECNL or US Soccer. All purple teams outside of CM and GB train 2 days a week. OC has a technical training session that is not attended very regularly by anyone and is promoted as day 3. It is not a team training, its just dribbling session. Some coaches (very very few) do provide an additional day but this has to go through the club and quite often the club says "no" especially now as there is less field space and Seminole fields are a wreck.

U9-U13 purple are no different to U14-U18 purple. All those teams should be the funnel through the DA/ECNL system. However, everyone knows that they are not. There is no way a player training 2x a week can compete with a DA/ECNL player training 4 to 5.

I will let you in on a little secret for those families with younger players. You might be tickled pink thinking your kid is on CM's or GB's love fest but your kid is just another player. A small percentage of those 110 players on CM's U12 purple teams have any chance of making DA. Same for GB. When your kid is not chosen you to will go back to 2x a week just like every other player you mock.

in the meantime your boy will be wearing purple. SO CUTE!

[Unregistered]

Why OCYS is not posting their player development curriculum online?

Logic and reality:
1. to be a FYSA sanctioned club and to participate you need competetive and premier teams which follow USYS player development models.
2. OCYS and DA are now not the same. DA does not participate in any of the FYSA tournaments. That leaves purple teams to be following premier team development requirements. Currently OCYS is cheating players and USYS on its affiliation requirements.

For this reason, they should lose their affiliation with FYSA and same is true for US Club soccer.

[Unregistered]

Why OCYS is not posting their player development curriculum online?

Logic and reality:
1. to be a FYSA sanctioned club and to participate you need competetive and premier teams which follow USYS player development models.
2. OCYS and DA are now not the same. DA does not participate in any of the FYSA tournaments. That leaves purple teams to be following premier team development requirements. Currently OCYS is cheating players and USYS on its affiliation requirements.

For this reason, they should lose their affiliation with FYSA and same is true for US Club soccer.

I am with another club and have to say this dude is crazy.

[Unregistered]

Why OCYS is not posting their player development curriculum online?

Logic and reality:
1. to be a FYSA sanctioned club and to participate you need competetive and premier teams which follow USYS player development models.
2. OCYS and DA are now not the same. DA does not participate in any of the FYSA tournaments. That leaves purple teams to be following premier team development requirements. Currently OCYS is cheating players and USYS on its affiliation requirements.

For this reason, they should lose their affiliation with FYSA and same is true for US Club soccer.

Just wonder, do the other voices in your head discuss this issue with you, or do they just say "Amen"?

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I see a lot of players on the da team that came from OC.

Btw, boys and girls teams are winning at oc, if that is what you look at for success, then they are doing well. Does it mean they are being developed for da and ecnl, I don't know, but I do believe regardless of that, my kid is getting the best training they can in central florida. All the younger boys teams are doing very well and so are the girls. Shock to some I guess but oc puts a lot of work into the younger kids.

Your kid will not always stay little and your kid also has a small percentage chance of making DA/ECNL and if they do, especially on DA, they will have a smaller probability of staying in. The system is NOT designed to develop from within the club. As it has been stated here in the past, many kids will have a chance to experience U14DA but very few will go to the older ages. Just this year alone the U18 DA Roster is composed of kids that weren't at OC last year, many weren't even in the state. Overall, even in the past, not many players have come from OC and it will be less and less as it matures. Those are the facts and you can view other DA (especially MLS DA's) for more information.

I am not going to doubt you that OC does do well with the younger kids and has an active program, however, after U13-14 I would not call there program a complete success and I would anticipate that starting next year as kids do not make DA/ECNL, players will start moving to other clubs as there is more value and better opportunities.

This could all obviously change if OC begins to actually provide better quality training (at the very least more training) at those older ages. But compared to other MLS DA's their interest does not usually lie with anything below DA.

[Unregistered]

So, at least the guy that kept posting the -146 goal differential has for ECNL has shut up. I think it is the same poster that keeps ranting about OC not developing and stealing players. His kid must stink and have no ambition to play with top teams.

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So, at least the guy that kept posting the -146 goal differential has for ECNL has shut up. I think it is the same poster that keeps ranting about OC not developing and stealing players. His kid must stink and have no ambition to play with top teams.

We do agree more training is required for all. We believe those GB /CM teams should get 4 days. All other teams should also get minimum 3 days and 4th optional for either skills or SAQ (based on team level evaluation)
We also believe Boys and Girls should be treated equally for training opportunities.

What OCYS has done:
1. cut training to each and everyone in the club- compared to what we used to get at EOS, CFU, Kraze/Krush, FCA....probably every club.
2. FEEs have been increased
3. League costs and coaches league game costs are transferred to team accounts
4. Records show they WILL NOT pick from PERPLE OR any lower teams for ECNL or DA
- that is because they effectively destroyed those kids growth potential by denying training opportunities

Then few teams under SELECT Highly PAID Coaches are looking good by showing 3 days training compared to other teams 2 days. Reality is they have reduced from 4 days to 3 for few and
reduced 4 days to 2 for every other team at same level!



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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Here is a list of the teams and their practice schedule. http://www.orlandocityyouth.org/Acad...s/index_E.html
There may be a couple of teams whose coach has scheduled a 3rd practice but those are few and far between. Older teams will be on break starting sometime in October till January or February when High School is over. During that time they are still expected to compete in Showcase and other tournaments. And please no one come on here and tell us how great high school soccer season and training is.

I filtered and sorted that list. It shows U-9 thru U-12 Boys purple teams (GB and CM) having 3 times per week practices.
All other teams have 2 practices, including Purple Girls teams at same age level.
Flavio wants to know if this above statement is true?

OCYS is totally out of line with US Club soccer requirements. Who is responsible?

http://www.usclubsoccer.org/wp-conte...2012-02-16.pdf

See the season plan by age on page 62 onwards:

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8...Curriculum.pdf


http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/...ment_Model.pdf

OCYS is totally out of line with US Club soccer requirements. Who is responsible?

http://www.usclubsoccer.org/wp-conte...2012-02-16.pdf

[Unregistered]

We do agree more training is required for all. We believe those GB /CM teams should get 4 days. All other teams should also get minimum 3 days and 4th optional for either skills or SAQ (based on team level evaluation)
We also believe Boys and Girls should be treated equally for training opportunities.

What OCYS has done:
1. cut training to each and everyone in the club- compared to what we used to get at EOS, CFU, Kraze/Krush, FCA....probably every club.
2. FEEs have been increased
3. League costs and coaches league game costs are transferred to team accounts
4. Records show they WILL NOT pick from PERPLE OR any lower teams for ECNL or DA
- that is because they effectively destroyed those kids growth potential by denying training opportunities

Then few teams under SELECT Highly PAID Coaches are looking good by showing 3 days training compared to other teams 2 days. Reality is they have reduced from 4 days to 3 for few and
reduced 4 days to 2 for every other team at same level!



Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Here is a list of the teams and their practice schedule. http://www.orlandocityyouth.org/Acad...s/index_E.html
There may be a couple of teams whose coach has scheduled a 3rd practice but those are few and far between. Older teams will be on break starting sometime in October till January or February when High School is over. During that time they are still expected to compete in Showcase and other tournaments. And please no one come on here and tell us how great high school soccer season and training is.

I filtered and sorted that list. It shows U-9 thru U-12 Boys purple teams (GB and CM) having 3 times per week practices.
All other teams have 2 practices, including Purple Girls teams at same age level.
Flavio wants to know if this above statement is true?

OCYS is totally out of line with US Club soccer requirements. Who is responsible?

http://www.usclubsoccer.org/wp-conte...2012-02-16.pdf

See the season plan by age on page 62 onwards:

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8...Curriculum.pdf


http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/...ment_Model.pdf

OCYS is totally out of line with US Club soccer requirements. Who is responsible?

http://www.usclubsoccer.org/wp-conte...2012-02-16.pdf

Had to repost a crazy post, please don't tell my 10 year old needs to be at 4 days a week.

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Had to repost a crazy post, please don't tell my 10 year old needs to be at 4 days a week.

week is made of 7 days.

smell of fear, guilt and shame is in the air...

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Had to repost a crazy post, please don't tell my 10 year old needs to be at 4 days a week.

4 days a week of training my kid better get the call up from Manchester United Soccer club of UK. 10 years only and training 4 times per week your family must not have a life. Tic tic buddy get a clue and stop living thru your 10 year old

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4 days a week of training my kid better get the call up from Manchester United Soccer club of UK. 10 years only and training 4 times per week your family must not have a life. Tic tic buddy get a clue and stop living thru your 10 year old

hope your dreams come true as mommy and daddy get older by the session.