OCYS Consolidated Thread

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This poll is about equal TRAINING Opportunities.
- It is NOT about playing best vs best
-it is NOT about taking over coaches decisions
-it is NOT about equal PLAYing time!

If you are paying for a service and your neighbours pay the same fee for that service, then provide that equal service value to all.

If the service is free, then do what you want.

For the age 8 group, can any person decisively separate elite vs rec players ?

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I voted no but not because of the stupid language put on this poll but because we should not be even dealing with this crazy discussion on here. There are good players and there are better players. Group the better players together and group the good players together. Depending on your level, some will get more training than others. Should your child get the same amount of homework as the kid in the honors class or will that overwhelm them? Everyone develops at different times and buring them out a young age if they aren't ready is ludicrous just to satisfy a parent saying my child gets the same training. I am stunned by this and I am a teacher so I understand the issues a child goes through when being faced with more than they are ready to handle for the sake of making mom and dad happy!

Every student gets the opportunity to get into honors class, no one is denied,
Only question is can they handle it? The system decides that, it is not by mean minded opinions.
Once a player is SELECTED, very important to treat that player for equal opportunities or hold them to the same team/club established standards.
Why keep making up standards on the go just to suit a few opinions?

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The best soccer countries play the best against the best. The rest...well good luck. They ID players at a young age and discard the rest. I think there's a placer for every player, but equal treatment is not how the successful countries do it.

Name those countries, just do not make up stories.
Every now and then people quote SA or Europe.

Reality is: they have very few high level academies and rest are clubs. They do not charge high FEES.
Their fee structure is similar to our football programs.
Mostly every CLUB has 4 days training to ALL of their competetive players, it is not limited to academies. They do not seperate/bias 9-12 boys only special treatment.
One difference there is, their girls do not have as much participation like you see here in USA.

Rec level has 2 days training and there are options for teams without coaches, just free play.

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We were not aware of another similar thread/poll
http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...=104950&page=2
Thanks for that poll, which has 3 times/wk winner.

Our aim is also to include Girls program equally as Boys for that age group.
We want to see more local girls in USWNT.

Why girls are treated differently than boys at lower age groups?

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I know at least 5-6 kids on DA that fit this mold. One kid was probably on every b team in town. Got a little better at U13 and U14 became a monster at U15 before he entered the DA. I have also seen many of the star kids hit the DA and just fail.

This is exactly how it always has worked. That is why OCYS should provide EQUAL TRAINING Opportunity (Increase for lower players and not other way around) to all KIDS.

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I voted yes because I have seen what happens when a club doesn't develop it's second team.
All of the kids at our club U8-U11 get the same training but not necessarily the same playing opportunities. About half of the kids coming out of the academy stood out as really good players but only 13 could go on the 1st team. Next year the team will need more players, if they don't bother to give equal training to the 2nd team then all we can do is hope that it's a good poaching season.

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Look we get what your saying and yes they should but it is not that simple.
Best players train with best players and trainers why its called competive travel soccer for a reason. Ask your self this question if your kid sucks do you want them to train with worse kids then your kid or better. This holds true in all age groups you bring your kid to a club to get better and be evaluated by a COACH not by you thinking you understand the level your kid is at correct. If your kid is to get better he or she has to train with same level or better in a prefect world correct. If your kid is training with worse players logic is your kid will get worse not better and then the training is not as good as the best training for that age group also. So now what your loosing money becuase your paying money to get your kid a fair chance to get better and train with the best and get playing time. Again it is called competive travel soccer for a reason at the end of the day best players play and train with the best. In a perfect world the team or club would not except more players then they can handel based on the teams but greed and money come into play they want your income that simple.

On thre flip side a good players parents is not intersted in teaching a less player to get better the reason is they want there child to get better just like you want your child to get better simple logic. If a competive team does not play the best players then guess what the best players leave to a team that parents do not run the show understood !

This is a subject that has bounced around from other threads and basically what the poster is saying is that a club (within reason or a system) provide the same training to every kid at that particular level. For example if a club has "A" teams then provide the same training opportunities, days, intensity, coaching level, etc to all the "A" teams at all the ages especially if they are all paying the same amount of fees. Do not provide more training to 9 to 12 year olds and less training to your older players paying the same. Or don't create a subset of better players ONLY at these ages 9-12 providing them with extra days of training while not creating those subsets or opportunities at the older ages.

We all understand the dynamics and benefits of competition. This issue is in relation to training provided to some which is not available to others in other age groups that are in the same "A" team.

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This is a subject that has bounced around from other threads and basically what the poster is saying is that a club (within reason or a system) provide the same training to every kid at that particular level. For example if a club has "A" teams then provide the same training opportunities, days, intensity, coaching level, etc to all the "A" teams at all the ages especially if they are all paying the same amount of fees. Do not provide more training to 9 to 12 year olds and less training to your older players paying the same. Or don't create a subset of better players ONLY at these ages 9-12 providing them with extra days of training while not creating those subsets or opportunities at the older ages.

We all understand the dynamics and benefits of competition. This issue is in relation to training provided to some which is not available to others in other age groups that are in the same "A" team.

what are you talking about? there is not one mention of kids older than 12 in the OP.

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This is a subject that has bounced around from other threads and basically what the poster is saying is that a club (within reason or a system) provide the same training to every kid at that particular level. For example if a club has "A" teams then provide the same training opportunities, days, intensity, coaching level, etc to all the "A" teams at all the ages especially if they are all paying the same amount of fees. Do not provide more training to 9 to 12 year olds and less training to your older players paying the same. Or don't create a subset of better players ONLY at these ages 9-12 providing them with extra days of training while not creating those subsets or opportunities at the older ages.

We all understand the dynamics and benefits of competition. This issue is in relation to training provided to some which is not available to others in other age groups that are in the same "A" team.

You could not have misunderstood the intent of the poll more. 1, give boys and girls teams of the same age and level equal training. 2, give A and B teams of same age equal training. Worst poll ever by the way.

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This is exactly how it always has worked. That is why OCYS should provide EQUAL TRAINING Opportunity (Increase for lower players and not other way around) to all KIDS.

There are basically 2 teams at each age group for the boys getting 3 nights a week from u9- u13, is t that what you are saying for the boys? The girls on the other hand don't get that training.

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Really? You obviously don't have any business or true soccer professionals in your group because it will be virtually impossible for you to derive any data of value from your very partial and incomplete survey.

Best advice I have for your group is to take the time to define for yourself what it is that you are looking for and go find the club that provides it. They are already out there. You will get what you are looking for for you child, but leave the soccer organization to the professionals.

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Other than cutting training time for older boys and girls purple teams, now we hear they are not paying for Coaches league games travel and per diem. Is this true? Can some one confirm? How the coach is supposed to get this paid?

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There are basically 2 teams at each age group for the boys getting 3 nights a week from u9- u13, is t that what you are saying for the boys? The girls on the other hand don't get that training.......

That is BS - the second team U-13 only get 2 nights per week....EVERYTHING is reserved for the top team of GB....what a waste he is and how he treats the other boys. Like they are beneath him

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There are basically 2 teams at each age group for the boys getting 3 nights a week from u9- u13, is t that what you are saying for the boys? The girls on the other hand don't get that training.......

That is BS - the second team U-13 only get 2 nights per week....EVERYTHING is reserved for the top team of GB....what a waste he is and how he treats the other boys. Like they are beneath him

Is SR balls less? How GB can manipulate and allowed to ruin happiness of so many families and coaches ?

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Nobody cares

Seriously, this is all just childish.
Why does the stalker care so much about these guys (JT/PF) and this glorified recreational youth soccer program. Don't you all have more important things to focus on in you life?