OCYS Consolidated Thread

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This was published while their original proposal was on the table.

http://www.orlandocitysoccer.com/new...rticle_id=1762

"The County will allow the Team use of the following County Soccer Fields to
operate its Free Youth Recreational Soccer Leagues (as more fully set forth in
Section 7):
a. Fields:
i. Team to receive use of two (2) New Soccer Fields at each New
Location.
ii. In the event that any New Location has only one (1) New Soccer Field,
then County agrees to provide Team access to the sole New Soccer Field
at such New Location plus one (1) additional Existing Soccer Field (for
a total of two County Soccer Fields at each New Location).
3
b. Time of Year (the “Seasons”): Two (2) twelve (12) week periods annually as
follows:
i. Spring: February to May (12 consecutive weeks)
ii. Fall: August to November (12 consecutive weeks)
c. Time of Week During Seasons:
i. Week Nights:
1. Two weeknights per week: 5 to 7pm (2 hours total)
2. In order to assist Team with staff scheduling, the County agrees
that three (3) of the New Locations will be utilized on Monday
& Wednesday evenings and three (3) of the New Locations will
be utilized on Tuesday and Thursday evenings.
And
ii. Weekends: One of the following:
1. Four (4) hours total on Saturday mornings (times TBD in goodfaith);
Or
2. Two (2) hours total on Friday evenings (times TBD in goodfaith)
and two (2) hours total on Saturday mornings (times TBD
in good-faith)

The usuage number they use in their press release is meant to mislead. 5% of total time true but how many teams use the fields between 8am and 4:59 pm during the week? The actual number is 47% of optimum practice/game times and 100% of the premium times.

If they aren't forming teams for leagues why did they request the premium times? They are business people and wanted the sweetest deal possible, that's what businesses do, but isn't it within the right of these youth clubs to challenge it.

If someone buys the house next to yours and decides they are opening a night club and the city just lets them do it, Are you going to fight or just sit there and let it happen?

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Or possibly Premier Team for the Gypsy.

The "Gypsy" as you so call him has one of the top teams in the state at u9, has a Presidents Cup Finalist in u12, and a very strong u14 team he is in charge of.

You most certainly would want your kid on any of these teams.

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I agree that the 5% number isn't reasonable. It may be technically correct (the hours they requested are 5% of something), but it is much more than 5% of the reasonably available times.

But haven't you distorted the truth in your post? How do you get "100% of the premium times?" They were asking for 5-7 on two nights a week, and either 4 hours on Saturday morning, or 2 hours Friday night and 2 hours Saturday morning. Three of the locations would be on Monday and Wednesday, the other three would be on Tuesday and Thursday. How does that equal 100%?

You are correct that business people want the sweetest deal possible. But so do the other clubs, which is why they challenged the original proposal. I wouldn't be surprised if the original proposal included more than what OC hoped to end up with, because that is the way businesses usually start negotiations. It's like buying a house - the seller asks for more than they want, the buyer offers less they they want to pay, and they give and take until they either reach an agreement that is acceptable to both, or they reach an impasse and move on to something else.

OCYS blinked and caved. Not bad for a bunch of "insignificant baby clubs". The Coalition represents 4-5 x the kids as the Corporate Soccer Mega-Club. Phil knew it, so he cut and run.

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The "Gypsy" as you so call him has one of the top teams in the state at u9, has a Presidents Cup Finalist in u12, and a very strong u14 team he is in charge of.

You most certainly would want your kid on any of these teams.

Actually, people who know him don't want their kids anywhere near him. I've seen few people who generate more bad feeling and mistrust. but that's okay- every year more people have their eyes opened.

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No doubt they are good coaches what I find funny is that they all disliked HM when he first took over CFK and he wanted to get rid of Daddy coaches. HM didn't care much for any of them either and now...... can you feel the love....lol

Sorta like how the Dumpster Arsonist spends so much time badmouthing The Purple while he draws a paycheck from them.

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Exactly loser. This is not a rivalry or a healthy competition between two clubs. It is pure hate. Nothing positive comes from this relationship and is becoming a terrible example for our kids. It is unfortunate that you don't see it that way.

who are you to decide what's "healthy"? who are you to decide what the "example" for "our" kids should be? why don't you mind your own business?

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Talking **** is better

who cares about soccer porn is way better!! i mean unless your gay like the tbu players and ocys players and you watch gay porn...

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No doubt they are good coaches what I find funny is that they all disliked HM when he first took over CFK and he wanted to get rid of Daddy coaches. HM didn't care much for any of them either and now...... can you feel the love....lol

It's not a question of "like" - this is not high school! It's about doing what is in the best interest of youth soccer. OC was not it, so they left.

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I agree that the 5% number isn't reasonable. It may be technically correct (the hours they requested are 5% of something), but it is much more than 5% of the reasonably available times.

But haven't you distorted the truth in your post? How do you get "100% of the premium times?" They were asking for 5-7 on two nights a week, and either 4 hours on Saturday morning, or 2 hours Friday night and 2 hours Saturday morning. Three of the locations would be on Monday and Wednesday, the other three would be on Tuesday and Thursday. How does that equal 100%?

You are correct that business people want the sweetest deal possible. But so do the other clubs, which is why they challenged the original proposal. I wouldn't be surprised if the original proposal included more than what OC hoped to end up with, because that is the way businesses usually start negotiations. It's like buying a house - the seller asks for more than they want, the buyer offers less they they want to pay, and they give and take until they either reach an agreement that is acceptable to both, or they reach an impasse and move on to something else.

Actually considering that most teams preferred practice times are Tues/Thur with Games on Saturday morning, the 100% is accurate. No one wants to practice on Monday, Wed are a little more popular and no one practices on Friday. The premium spots are Tues/Thurs and Saturday morning for games.

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This isnt a rivalry

Ultimately the damage done it to the two clubs who air their hate on a public forum. There are well over 1000 pages dedicated to what went wrong and whose fault it was. Now, a year later, tryouts are around the corner and how many people are steering away from these clubs because of what they hear and read? Keeping this animosity alive isn't healthy. I am sure both clubs have done somethings to the other. But at sometime they need to bury the hatchet and let it go. Both clubs and the players will be better off if they do.

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It's not a question of "like" - this is not high school! It's about doing what is in the best interest of youth soccer. OC was not it, so they left.

Let's be honest, it isn't about the best interest of youth soccer. The best interest of youth soccer is to attract the best coaches to the area and have the best teams to strive for. Hue once had that dream but it quickly went away when it wasn't him making the change. Now he is lifting up the coaches he would have fired. You may not like change but I still think having new qualified unbiased coaches in this area will be hood for soccer. OC is changing things but that is hard for people sometimes.

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Actually considering that most teams preferred practice times are Tues/Thur with Games on Saturday morning, the 100% is accurate. No one wants to practice on Monday, Wed are a little more popular and no one practices on Friday. The premium spots are Tues/Thurs and Saturday morning for games.

OK, I'll try to explain this again.

OC asked for 5-7pm two nights a week, plus either 4 hours on Saturday morning, or 2 hours on Friday night, and 2 hours on Saturday morning. At half of the locations, OC asked that the two nights be Tuesday and Thursday, the other half they asked for Monday and Wednesday. Read the document, it is on the Coalition's website.

If they requested Monday and Wednesday at three of the locations, then Tuesday and Thursday would be free for other clubs at those locations. So the preferred practice times would be available to other clubs at those locations, and the 100% is not accurate.

The Coalition's letter to their members distorted the truth. They implied that OC was requesting 5-7pm on Tuesday, Thursday and Friday and all day Saturday at all of the locations. Here is the quote, "Funding towards 14 new soccer fields in Orange County, with the understanding that Orlando City Youth Soccer will have scheduling priority during prime playing times (Tuesday/Thursday/Friday 5-7pm and Saturday) for the programs listed above to be provided by Orlando City Youth Soccer." There is no mention of Monday and Wednesday, no mention that Saturday was limited to 4 hours, and no mention that if they received two hours on Friday, that they would be limited to 2 hours on Saturday morning. So much for being truthful.

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It was only partially true, but believe what you wish.

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OCYS blinked and caved. Not bad for a bunch of "insignificant baby clubs". The Coalition represents 4-5 x the kids as the Corporate Soccer Mega-Club. Phil knew it, so he cut and run.

Another diversion attempt. The Coalition, and the previous poster, were misleading. But I guess it is OK for them to do that. It's only wrong if someone else does it, right?

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Let's be honest, it isn't about the best interest of youth soccer. The best interest of youth soccer is to attract the best coaches to the area and have the best teams to strive for. Hue once had that dream but it quickly went away when it wasn't him making the change. Now he is lifting up the coaches he would have fired. You may not like change but I still think having new qualified unbiased coaches in this area will be hood for soccer. OC is changing things but that is hard for people sometimes.

Hue would not have fired these daddy coaches that have the right qualifications.., they just weren't to coach their own children. Get at least some of your facts in order!