2017 Girls HS Soccer

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So BR and GS for Johnston are both juniors?

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Not sure, but if so they could be leading scorers in the state next year, although obviously not to that extent.

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at least in d1 and d2 the stronger kids are kept in check because there are enough capable defenders. d3 is generally so weak that when a standout player comes along the combination lack of skill and often unskilled keepers makes it a joke. worse this year since top kids would actually be good at any level.

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Not sure, but if so they could be leading scorers in the state next year, although obviously not to that extent.

Doubtful if they get moved up to D2..just look at what EP coach did when EP played Johnston; moved best player from forward to covering defender after getting the early lead and shut down the leading scorer in the state. As noted above, even D2 has strong defenders on most of the teams.

Look at top 11 scorers (avg is at least 1 goal/game)..8 of the 11 are D3, 2 D1, and only 1 D2 (and that's the best team who could have played D1).

If they lose again to EP in finals, I'm sure the coach and AD will find a way to stay in D3 again. I hope RIIL moves them up as it is good to see good players have opportunities - that's why the suggestion of a state combined all-star charity match is worth considering. In the past you had teams like EWG and TG with really great player(s) move up to D1 to give those players a chance to shine.

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Doubtful if they get moved up to D2..just look at what EP coach did when EP played Johnston; moved best player from forward to covering defender after getting the early lead and shut down the leading scorer in the state. As noted above, even D2 has strong defenders on most of the teams.

Look at top 11 scorers (avg is at least 1 goal/game)..8 of the 11 are D3, 2 D1, and only 1 D2 (and that's the best team who could have played D1).

If they lose again to EP in finals, I'm sure the coach and AD will find a way to stay in D3 again. I hope RIIL moves them up as it is good to see good players have opportunities - that's why the suggestion of a state combined all-star charity match is worth considering. In the past you had teams like EWG and TG with really great player(s) move up to D1 to give those players a chance to shine.

What source are you looking at for scoring, projo? Of the top 12 point scorers it looks like 3 are D1 and 4 are D2, with the balance coming from D3.

Impressive to see some of the top point getters in the state for D1 and D2 coming largely from assists.

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What source are you looking at for scoring, projo? Of the top 12 point scorers it looks like 3 are D1 and 4 are D2, with the balance coming from D3.

Impressive to see some of the top point getters in the state for D1 and D2 coming largely from assists.

Assists can be extremely misleading stat in High School soccer.

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Assists can be extremely misleading stat in High School soccer.

Are they by the judgment of the ref?

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What source are you looking at for scoring, projo? Of the top 12 point scorers it looks like 3 are D1 and 4 are D2, with the balance coming from D3.

Impressive to see some of the top point getters in the state for D1 and D2 coming largely from assists.

Looking at GS only, not total point. If in Projo, click on the goals and it sorts by GS, not points (the default). Good points on the subjective nature of assists and variation in accurate reporting - to the extent accurate, it shows the point that D3 you have a lot more scoring from the top players who can just beat defenses solo. Also, in D1/D2, I'm guessing more goals from corners/set pieces so a bit easier to note the assists.

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Assists can be extremely misleading stat in High School soccer.

This is true that assists are often not tallied correctly, which can sometimes be the fault of refs and/or coaches. With that said, kids with high assist counts for high school are often the best all around players (for our D1 team they are our MVP and certainly for most of RI). They are more or less the facilitators of the game flow (since most high school scorers don't have the 1v1 ability of MKM), and many of the finishers would be lost otherwise. Don't get me wrong, you need to score to win, but in RI the table-setter is far more difficult to find than someone with a strong leg(i.e. typical high shots that high school keepers cannot get to!!!).

For these kids it tends to balance out. It has been my experience that for every assist that the leading scorer on my daughter's team gets the "benefit of the doubt" on, there are two easy opportunities blown.

Hats off to both the scorers and the assist getters.

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Are they by the judgment of the ref?

No worse. Coaches use assists to placate parents.

It is usually pretty obvious who scores, everyone sees that moment in time. However, assists are totally different and are the discretion of the coach if a player actually 'assisted' a goal. If a right mid puts a nice cross onto a striker for a finish, well that's pretty obvious but if a ball is played thru the middle and then a girl takes 4 or 5 touches after the pass, is that still an assist? Those are the points that seem to be credited towards certain players. I don't have hard facts but look at your own school on projo and does it seem like certain players have generated a lot of additional points on assists? Who are those players and are their parents vocal? I know for a fact that there are games where coaches are filling in the empty blanks at the end of the game and it is just easier for them to pass along those empty points for certain players.

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This is true that assists are often not tallied correctly, which can sometimes be the fault of refs and/or coaches. With that said, kids with high assist counts for high school are often the best all around players (for our D1 team they are our MVP and certainly for most of RI). They are more or less the facilitators of the game flow (since most high school scorers don't have the 1v1 ability of MKM), and many of the finishers would be lost otherwise. Don't get me wrong, you need to score to win, but in RI the table-setter is far more difficult to find than someone with a strong leg(i.e. typical high shots that high school keepers cannot get to!!!).

For these kids it tends to balance out. It has been my experience that for every assist that the leading scorer on my daughter's team gets the "benefit of the doubt" on, there are two easy opportunities blown.

Hats off to both the scorers and the assist getters.

Good points. If you look at the top 15 assist leaders it is much more heavily skewed toward the stronger divisions where team play is more required, with 8 coming from D1 and 3 coming from D2, and 4 in D3.

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Maybe if the divisions were more realistic without the Johnstons of the world sandbagging, the ridiculous point scoring stats would not look like something out of my kids' Madden games!

What years are the top D3 kids from Johnston and EP? Seniors?

I wouldn't jump all over Johnston's case for sandbagging when their enrollment places them solidly down with the 25-30th largest girls enrollment. They deserve to be down in D3, and if that means they can see a year or two in advance that they "should" compete for division honors than so be it. Little different for an EP with the four largest enrollment being in D3. What's impressive is the EG, Smithfield and Central Falls teams that have small enrollments that compete in D1. But again don't jump all over Johnston for competing where they should be.

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No worse. Coaches use assists to placate parents.

It is usually pretty obvious who scores, everyone sees that moment in time. However, assists are totally different and are the discretion of the coach if a player actually 'assisted' a goal. If a right mid puts a nice cross onto a striker for a finish, well that's pretty obvious but if a ball is played thru the middle and then a girl takes 4 or 5 touches after the pass, is that still an assist? Those are the points that seem to be credited towards certain players. I don't have hard facts but look at your own school on projo and does it seem like certain players have generated a lot of additional points on assists? Who are those players and are their parents vocal? I know for a fact that there are games where coaches are filling in the empty blanks at the end of the game and it is just easier for them to pass along those empty points for certain players.

This post is cynical, distrustful, sardonic, pessimistic, and beneath contempt. Oh yea, it's also completely accurate.

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Are they by the judgment of the ref?

NCAA has definitions of goal, assists, save..not sure how widely adopted at HS level.

Big points are no more than two assists on a goal (can not be an own goal or PK); the pass must be intentional - exception is a shot on goal that rebounds or is not *controlled* by a defender (ie. GK deflection or hits a defender who never truly controls the ball); and the "second assist" only counts if the last "passer/shooter" never made a move to elude a defender.

Example - A passes to B who dribbles for a while but never is challenged or has to "beat" a defensive action, and then B passes to C who scores..both A and B get assists. If B dribbles around a defender, then only B gets the assists. If a defender challenges B and in the course of the challenge the ball ends up to C who scores, there is no assist.

Good luck sorting that out without a video in some cases..or whether coaches even know all the scenarios.

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This is true that assists are often not tallied correctly, which can sometimes be the fault of refs and/or coaches. With that said, kids with high assist counts for high school are often the best all around players (for our D1 team they are our MVP and certainly for most of RI). They are more or less the facilitators of the game flow (since most high school scorers don't have the 1v1 ability of MKM), and many of the finishers would be lost otherwise. Don't get me wrong, you need to score to win, but in RI the table-setter is far more difficult to find than someone with a strong leg(i.e. typical high shots that high school keepers cannot get to!!!).

For these kids it tends to balance out. It has been my experience that for every assist that the leading scorer on my daughter's team gets the "benefit of the doubt" on, there are two easy opportunities blown.

Hats off to both the scorers and the assist getters.

True. Nobody embellishes that many stats!