2013 Girls HS Soccer

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Not talking about those SC crap teams. Talking about NEFC Elite and Premier teams. All ages have RI players that you have no clue about.

Buddy. Read previous post. The discussion was about the south coast team. Trying to compare them to bayside. South coast teams are just a stepping stone. If your kid is that good they won't be on a south coast team for very long. The npl teams and elite teams will come knocking at your door after tryouts and move your child up to a better team. If you choose to stay because of the so called logistics of it. You doing your child injustice. Because the better players will migrate north. I know of plenty RI players playing at NEFC the better ones are on better teams. I have a clue. Believe me. The people saying less travel to play at south coast opposed to traveling to Smithfield. Good for you. But if you kid fortunately gets put up to a better team. You will be driving much further than Smithfield.

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Dude. They played division 2 teams. Do you get it. Didn't they lose to barrington? Who by far had the worst Jv team in D1. Two of your top goal scorers on your varsity team. Didn't even make the Bayside teams that they tried out for. They will have a tough time scoring in D1. Playing against better competition instead of cones. They will be cellar dwellers with Prout, Barrington, Mt. Hope , Cumberland , and I'll even throw EWG in there. Graduation losses will bring them to the bottom half of D1 too.

Tough to compare, but Lincoln only beat Vets 1 to 0 and Vets was the cellar dweller of D1. I was there watching the JV tournament so saw NK, LaSalle, Portsmouth and SK in addition to Lincoln's final match. Clearly, Lincoln's opponent was not much of a match, but pretty sure any of those 4 D1 teams would have beaten Lincoln just based on the speed and skill I saw in those matches.

EWG showed a team can move up and do well, but they also had a senior team with the state POY. If EWG finishes above 8th this year, I'll be the first here to apologize for underestimating, but agree with the above poster that it's hard for small schools to sustain, especially when the privates pick off, and it's a long season so an injury or two can really hurt a team, especially with poor coaches who don't know how to use the talent they have (see Prout, Portsmouth, NK).

It will be interesting to see MKM play at high school level.

The number of teams is always a dilemma for RI clubs; you hear the issues when Bayside added a 2d team at older age groups. The NEFC of the world, they have large enough area to mask if the team is really the 3rd/4th level; with a Bayside, the players 15-25 are generally pretty top players on their school team, but beyond that (and maybe even a 20) you are adding marginal school players just to make the 2d team so there is going to be issues with the 4-6 kids who are close to some of the kids on the 1st team.

But let's face it; youth soccer numbers are going down by u12 and above, both in terms of overall population decline and growth of other sports (Lax). The number of "premier" teams has gone up and SRI rules keep the marginal town teams afloat instead of encouraging consolidation so you expect quality in general to decline as well.

This is the results in a small state when a club becomes more of the primary income source for some and the state association rules are not about competition, but protecting artificial relics of the past (premier) and encouraging quantity over quality at the town level.

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Tough to compare, but Lincoln only beat Vets 1 to 0 and Vets was the cellar dweller of D1. I was there watching the JV tournament so saw NK, LaSalle, Portsmouth and SK in addition to Lincoln's final match. Clearly, Lincoln's opponent was not much of a match, but pretty sure any of those 4 D1 teams would have beaten Lincoln just based on the speed and skill I saw in those matches.

EWG showed a team can move up and do well, but they also had a senior team with the state POY. If EWG finishes above 8th this year, I'll be the first here to apologize for underestimating, but agree with the above poster that it's hard for small schools to sustain, especially when the privates pick off, and it's a long season so an injury or two can really hurt a team, especially with poor coaches who don't know how to use the talent they have (see Prout, Portsmouth, NK).

It will be interesting to see MKM play at high school level.

The number of teams is always a dilemma for RI clubs; you hear the issues when Bayside added a 2d team at older age groups. The NEFC of the world, they have large enough area to mask if the team is really the 3rd/4th level; with a Bayside, the players 15-25 are generally pretty top players on their school team, but beyond that (and maybe even a 20) you are adding marginal school players just to make the 2d team so there is going to be issues with the 4-6 kids who are close to some of the kids on the 1st team.

But let's face it; youth soccer numbers are going down by u12 and above, both in terms of overall population decline and growth of other sports (Lax). The number of "premier" teams has gone up and SRI rules keep the marginal town teams afloat instead of encouraging consolidation so you expect quality in general to decline as well.

This is the results in a small state when a club becomes more of the primary income source for some and the state association rules are not about competition, but protecting artificial relics of the past (premier) and encouraging quantity over quality at the town level.

MKM will do well I'm sure but high school can be a tough game, so it may take some adjusting on her part and on the part of some of the other rising freshman that are playing not only on premier clubs but on clubs like south county and ocean state. They are good players and could hav an impact.

Before you mock me, look at EWG. it shows that you don't need many premier players. One solid player can make differnece if well coached. Players from super liga supported that team I know because my daughter plays at south with some of them. Good plyaers abound in these clubs (SC, Ocean state, BGYSA) and look at EWG and burrillvile as an example of super liga making great strides at the HS level.

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Tough to compare, but Lincoln only beat Vets 1 to 0 and Vets was the cellar dweller of D1. I was there watching the JV tournament so saw NK, LaSalle, Portsmouth and SK in addition to Lincoln's final match. Clearly, Lincoln's opponent was not much of a match, but pretty sure any of those 4 D1 teams would have beaten Lincoln just based on the speed and skill I saw in those matches.

EWG showed a team can move up and do well, but they also had a senior team with the state POY. If EWG finishes above 8th this year, I'll be the first here to apologize for underestimating, but agree with the above poster that it's hard for small schools to sustain, especially when the privates pick off, and it's a long season so an injury or two can really hurt a team, especially with poor coaches who don't know how to use the talent they have (see Prout, Portsmouth, NK).

It will be interesting to see MKM play at high school level.

The number of teams is always a dilemma for RI clubs; you hear the issues when Bayside added a 2d team at older age groups. The NEFC of the world, they have large enough area to mask if the team is really the 3rd/4th level; with a Bayside, the players 15-25 are generally pretty top players on their school team, but beyond that (and maybe even a 20) you are adding marginal school players just to make the 2d team so there is going to be issues with the 4-6 kids who are close to some of the kids on the 1st team.

But let's face it; youth soccer numbers are going down by u12 and above, both in terms of overall population decline and growth of other sports (Lax). The number of "premier" teams has gone up and SRI rules keep the marginal town teams afloat instead of encouraging consolidation so you expect quality in general to decline as well.

This is the results in a small state when a club becomes more of the primary income source for some and the state association rules are not about competition, but protecting artificial relics of the past (premier) and encouraging quantity over quality at the town level.

Good post. It all comes back to what are your kid's goals when playing soccer. Is it just for fun? Is it a stepping stone to playing in college?

If it's for fun, nothing wrong with that. Find a team where your kid will get plenty of playing time that doesn't put too much stress on family or money.

If it's a stepping stone to a college team, then it's a completely different story. Find the very best team with the very best coach your kid can make. Your kid will get better by playing with better players and playing against better teams. Plus, a real coach with college coaching experience makes all the difference in the world.

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MKM will do well I'm sure but high school can be a tough game, so it may take some adjusting on her part and on the part of some of the other rising freshman that are playing not only on premier clubs but on clubs like south county and ocean state. They are good players and could hav an impact.

Before you mock me, look at EWG. it shows that you don't need many premier players. One solid player can make differnece if well coached. Players from super liga supported that team I know because my daughter plays at south with some of them. Good plyaers abound in these clubs (SC, Ocean state, BGYSA) and look at EWG and burrillvile as an example of super liga making great strides at the HS level.

First let me just correct you--Burrillville has at least 6 very high end premier players. And I am sure you're not suggesting that witout the POY, EWG would have still had the same run that they had? It is safe to assume that EWG will compete with Prout and Toll Gate for that last playoff spot next year. They may get it, but there years of a first round bye are not likely to return anytime soon.

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MKM will do well I'm sure but high school can be a tough game, so it may take some adjusting on her part and on the part of some of the other rising freshman that are playing not only on premier clubs but on clubs like south county and ocean state. They are good players and could hav an impact.

Before you mock me, look at EWG. it shows that you don't need many premier players. One solid player can make differnece if well coached. Players from super liga supported that team I know because my daughter plays at south with some of them. Good plyaers abound in these clubs (SC, Ocean state, BGYSA) and look at EWG and burrillvile as an example of super liga making great strides at the HS level.

MKM will have no problem at the HS level. I suspect she'll be one of the best players in the RIIL (if she is planning on attending a RIIL school?) next year and maybe even lead the state in scoring. Forget about her age. She's a solidly built kid who has played at the national level. The physicality of HS soccer is no greater than the physicality of regional or national level premier soccer. People who say HS soccer is more physical have never seen regional level premier games. The physicality of HS soccer is simply more obvious because the skill level is so bad.

South is the exception to town programs. It is essentially a 2nd level premier club, similar to Lusitana. BGYSA is a true town program. By the age of U15, there are no premier level players in either gender playing for BGYSA. Sorry but it's true.

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I watch NEFC south teams get beat by town teams week after week at Sherwood. Big time money grab! Kids on those teams can barely kick a ball and do not belong as premier players I don't care what state they are from.

While I agree the B teams on any premier team are total money grabs, the A teams are pretty competitive. And you aren't seeing many of the teams above U10 playing anywhere locally, so really you are not seeing their best teams.

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Not talking about those SC crap teams. Talking about NEFC Elite and Premier teams. All ages have RI players that you have no clue about.

I see people keep calling the SC teams crap, but their U10, U12, U13 & U14 United girls teams are all playing in the highest divisions in their respective leagues, and were just placed in the top brackets at the NEFC pre-season warm-up tournament either along side of their Central United, Premier, and Elite teams, and above their MN, and South counterparts, so they are certainly not considered the bottom of the barrel by the NEFC mothership. Of course, we'll see how they do and if they were placed too high, but if I had a kid on those teams, I'd rather them play higher and challenge themselves than play lower and fish for points and trophies any day.

Also, I don't think anyone said anywhere that their GU14 SC United team is better than the top Bayside team, but they still play the same division and finished mid-pack. Still better than 95% of the other GU14 teams in MA and RI, so again not "horrible."

As for the SC teams losing to town teams indoors this winter, those are the B teams and definitely a money grab for the club.

Whether you like it or not you Bayside people will have to realize that NEFC parked themselves on RI borders for a reason, and over the next few years, you will see that they will continue to increase their market share of RI talent. Unlike you, I'm not putting Bayside down to make a point either, just pointing out that its a growing competitor and will continue to be so over the next few years. But if want to continue to whistle by the graveyard be my guest. I just call it like I see it.

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Whether you like it or not you Bayside people will have to realize that NEFC parked themselves on RI borders for a reason, and over the next few years, you will see that they will continue to increase their market share of RI talent. Unlike you, I'm not putting Bayside down to make a point either, just pointing out that its a growing competitor and will continue to be so over the next few years. But if want to continue to whistle by the graveyard be my guest. I just call it like I see it.

Look at the Gatroade POY, All American, and all of the All Region players from the last 4 or 5 years. All of those players are playing on MA clubs like NEFC. Bayside is a good club with good players, but for college prep and for the bst competition, MA teams have a good track record as well.

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I see people keep calling the SC teams crap, but their U10, U12, U13 & U14 United girls teams are all playing in the highest divisions in their respective leagues, and were just placed in the top brackets at the NEFC pre-season warm-up tournament either along side of their Central United, Premier, and Elite teams, and above their MN, and South counterparts, so they are certainly not considered the bottom of the barrel by the NEFC mothership. Of course, we'll see how they do and if they were placed too high, but if I had a kid on those teams, I'd rather them play higher and challenge themselves than play lower and fish for points and trophies any day.

Also, I don't think anyone said anywhere that their GU14 SC United team is better than the top Bayside team, but they still play the same division and finished mid-pack. Still better than 95% of the other GU14 teams in MA and RI, so again not "horrible."

As for the SC teams losing to town teams indoors this winter, those are the B teams and definitely a money grab for the club.

Whether you like it or not you Bayside people will have to realize that NEFC parked themselves on RI borders for a reason, and over the next few years, you will see that they will continue to increase their market share of RI talent. Unlike you, I'm not putting Bayside down to make a point either, just pointing out that its a growing competitor and will continue to be so over the next few years. But if want to continue to whistle by the graveyard be my guest. I just call it like I see it.

You keep saying that they will keep getting their share of ri talent. In fact what they get is kids that don't make bayside teams. Or top mass. Teams for that matter. Talent is not the word I would use.

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I see people keep calling the SC teams crap, but their U10, U12, U13 & U14 United girls teams are all playing in the highest divisions in their respective leagues, and were just placed in the top brackets at the NEFC pre-season warm-up tournament either along side of their Central United, Premier, and Elite teams, and above their MN, and South counterparts, so they are certainly not considered the bottom of the barrel by the NEFC mothership. Of course, we'll see how they do and if they were placed too high, but if I had a kid on those teams, I'd rather them play higher and challenge themselves than play lower and fish for points and trophies any day.

Also, I don't think anyone said anywhere that their GU14 SC United team is better than the top Bayside team, but they still play the same division and finished mid-pack. Still better than 95% of the other GU14 teams in MA and RI, so again not "horrible."

As for the SC teams losing to town teams indoors this winter, those are the B teams and definitely a money grab for the club.

Whether you like it or not you Bayside people will have to realize that NEFC parked themselves on RI borders for a reason, and over the next few years, you will see that they will continue to increase their market share of RI talent. Unlike you, I'm not putting Bayside down to make a point either, just pointing out that its a growing competitor and will continue to be so over the next few years. But if want to continue to whistle by the graveyard be my guest. I just call it like I see it.

Have to agree with your last point. NEFC is a well-run, well-coached organization with excellent facilities at Forekicks in Marlboro and now Taunton. One of Bayside's achilles heels is their lack of a facility once they get outdoors. Bryant closes its fields at the smallest threat of rain. Practices are canceled frequently and games often have to re-scheduled or moved at the last minute. Maybe the new turf field at PC will alleviate this, but that's only one field.

Another weakness of Bayside is their lack of coaches. Too few coaches coaching too many teams. It gets worse as the kids get older, too, which is when those college-bound players need greater attention from their coaches. NEFC coaches are not spread thin. Plus, NEFC elite and premier teams have exclusive coaches that only coach one team per season.

Last but not least, at NEFC, no parent-coaches anywhere near their top teams, just pro's with college experience. This is a huge value if your kid wants to play in college. The coaches are a tremendous source of contacts at college programs and already in the college soccer network. Not too many parent coaches can claim this.

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You keep saying that they will keep getting their share of ri talent. In fact what they get is kids that don't make bayside teams. Or top mass. Teams for that matter. Talent is not the word I would use.

You don't think MKM or JR from Cumberland could make a Bayside team? Really? Do you even know who I am referencing?

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You keep saying that they will keep getting their share of ri talent. In fact what they get is kids that don't make bayside teams. Or top mass. Teams for that matter. Talent is not the word I would use.

Pretty sure most of them didn't tryout for Bayside. Its not even on their radar over here on the East Bay right now. The top players all want to go to NEFC right now and again I don't have a dog in this fight, but I remember 3 years ago, all the top players wanted to go to Bayside and Bruno, and at least in the girls side they now all want to go to NEFC. I have no idea if the trend will hold in the next 3 years, but I can tell you without a doubt that is where they want to go and are going now.

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You keep saying that they will keep getting their share of ri talent. In fact what they get is kids that don't make bayside teams. Or top mass. Teams for that matter. Talent is not the word I would use.

Every NEFC elite team, in every age group, is ranked higher than every Bayside top team in every age group. In most cases, NEFC's premier team (2nd team) is also ranked higher than Bayside's top team. Just saying.

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Pretty sure most of them didn't tryout for Bayside. Its not even on their radar over here on the East Bay right now. The top players all want to go to NEFC right now and again I don't have a dog in this fight, but I remember 3 years ago, all the top players wanted to go to Bayside and Bruno, and at least in the girls side they now all want to go to NEFC. I have no idea if the trend will hold in the next 3 years, but I can tell you without a doubt that is where they want to go and are going now.

Forekicks Taunton opening up is going to hurt Bayside. NEFC and Scorpions use that facility. 4 full size turf outdoor fields there that drain rain and don't need rest just 10-15 minutes from RI. Hard to compete with that.