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    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Agreed and maybe rather than kneeling the us women soccer players should help less privileged kids play soccer. Kneeling is easy... actually effecting positive change by doing things is much harder... hence why you don’t see them doing anything.
    Maybe US soçcer should go back to funding youth soccer. When the DA folded US soccer stopped spending money on youth outside the NT. The subsidies for girls DA made a huge difference and now that the boys have the MLS youth teams as it should be the girls side doesn't have any outside aid. So on top of their job you want the WNT to do the job of US soccer.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The premier league DOES NOT take a knee during their anthem. They take a knee before the game. That is completely different. If you want to play for the National team then you should stand for the national anthem.
      And i must have missed the work that these kneeling athletes do besides kneel. You are not a hero for kneeling you are a hero for acting. Lead by example! Donate your time and money to make a change! Kneeling for the national anthem does not bring about change. It’s embarrassing to our country!
      Your last 5 words sum it up. Maybe the problem is we as a country have things that we should be embarrassed about. No country is perfect but bringing certain things to light is what its all about. You do not have to agree but the reality is it can and should be done if the person doing it feels strongly enough about it.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Agreed and maybe rather than kneeling the us women soccer players should help less privileged kids play soccer. Kneeling is easy... actually effecting positive change by doing things is much harder... hence why you don’t see them doing anything.
        How do you suggest they help? Are they rolling in money like some other athletes? I understand your point but to help you need money. Also of note why should they help people the way YOU want them to? Don't like them, that ok its totally your right. Maybe you should do more, since you are so sure they should be doing more.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Agreed and maybe rather than kneeling the us women soccer players should help less privileged kids play soccer. Kneeling is easy... actually effecting positive change by doing things is much harder... hence why you don’t see them doing anything.
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/bonniec...h=2d4672f73103

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            #80
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Your last 5 words sum it up. Maybe the problem is we as a country have things that we should be embarrassed about. No country is perfect but bringing certain things to light is what its all about. You do not have to agree but the reality is it can and should be done if the person doing it feels strongly enough about it.
            So it’s just about embarrassing our country? When does it end? What is it exactly that these players want??? Because kneeling for the national anthem does nothing. Doing something about your cause does.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The goal is for police to earn the trust of black people and their communities so that they feel like they can rely on the police to protect them. Right now, that trust does not exist. Earning this trust probably can't happen overnight, nor can it happen simply through legislation. Attitudes need to change at many levels, including law enforcement, government, civilian populations, etc. Things like kneeling for the anthem draws attention to the issue in a peaceful manner.
              99+% of law enforcement are good people and the media almost never reports positive stories and so the >1% of the "bad outcomes" get blown up which in turn reinforces the mistrust.

              There are some bad cops just like in every occupation ....

              Taking a knee now represents that you feel most cops are racist and it just furthers the misguided anger and mistrust. They have a right to do it but that does not make it right!

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                So it’s just about embarrassing our country? When does it end? What is it exactly that these players want??? Because kneeling for the national anthem does nothing. Doing something about your cause does.
                We having this conversation right? So they're accomplished something. I would be more embarrassed by police brutality where people are losing their lives than someone taking a knee. To be clear it's a small group of bad cops, most cops are good.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  99+% of law enforcement are good people and the media almost never reports positive stories and so the >1% of the "bad outcomes" get blown up which in turn reinforces the mistrust.

                  There are some bad cops just like in every occupation ....

                  Taking a knee now represents that you feel most cops are racist and it just furthers the misguided anger and mistrust. They have a right to do it but that does not make it right!
                  I wonder if black communities would agree with you, and if they developed their mistrust of the police based on media reports vs personal experience?

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    We having this conversation right? So they're accomplished something. I would be more embarrassed by police brutality where people are losing their lives than someone taking a knee. To be clear it's a small group of bad cops, most cops are good.
                    Again, I will ask what is the goal? When does it end?

                    I only see disrespectful Americans when I see this. So why not do something that will unite people? Kneel before the game if you want to get your point across Not during the anthem. You loose half of the people you are trying to reach.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      So it’s just about embarrassing our country? When does it end? What is it exactly that these players want??? Because kneeling for the national anthem does nothing. Doing something about your cause does.
                      So it does nothing for you. So then let them be. That’s what they want to do.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Again, I will ask what is the goal? When does it end?

                        I only see disrespectful Americans when I see this. So why not do something that will unite people? Kneel before the game if you want to get your point across Not during the anthem. You loose half of the people you are trying to reach.
                        Again, the goal is for law enforcement to earn the trust of black people and communities. It ends when a majority of black people feel like the police are there to protect them.

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                          #87
                          I dont think anybody on here is disagreeing with the fact that the issue of racial injustice needs to be addressed. I am white, I am not a minority, BUT I come from an Interracial family. I have seen ignorance first hand, and I have been a victim.

                          I saw an earlier post.

                          I agree with they why but disagree with the how.

                          I dont think when you are representing your country you should be kneeling during the anthem. Its a small group of people that treat minorities with such ignorance. Not the entire county.

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                            #88
                            The National anthem is there to unite us with pride for our country and to think about the possibilities. I believe in our hearts everyone loves our country and what the founding fathers wanted this country to represent. That being said no matter what we say there will be at least 50% of the country you will lose by taking a knee not because they disagree with your protest but rather your disrespecting the flag and what it stands for. I, am in full support of BLM but put into the context of taking a knee during the playing of our national anthem is an affront to the bigger picture of what the symbolism means to brave citizens and military who have died for the meaning of our flag and anthem. There is nothing you could say that will change the minds of the vast majority of American citizens.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Again, the goal is for law enforcement to earn the trust of black people and communities. It ends when a majority of black people feel like the police are there to protect them.
                              How does kneeling during the National Anthem help black people feel like the police are there to protect them? If that is the goal then why not volunteer for an outreach program?
                              Kneeling during the National Anthem while playing on the National team does nothing but divide the country further. The message is lost

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                How does kneeling during the National Anthem help black people feel like the police are there to protect them? If that is the goal then why not volunteer for an outreach program?
                                Kneeling during the National Anthem while playing on the National team does nothing but divide the country further. The message is lost
                                It communicates recognition of the problem, which has been ignored in this country for YEARS, decades. Granted when Kaperneck started a few years ago there was less acknowledgement of it than there is now post-George Floyd. It's also not just bad cops but all the racist Karen and Kens out there as well. Kneeling doesn't just acknowledging but it helps keep the issue at the forefront so that changes can be made. Decades of problems won't go away overnight.

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