2011 Boys

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You are correct, winning a u16 national championship at any level will get a look. That is a long time from now for the u12 team and FA isn’t winning crap currently at u14,u15,u16,etc. If FA was so great at developing talent, why are this teams horrendous?

As the FA teams get older, they will slowly deteriorate as kids continue to leave and they play crappy competition. The 2010 team was proven and winning everything 12-18 months ago. Then it started falling apart. Winning a state cup that nobody plays in is not proving anything

How did the 2010 team fall apart? From what I heard, only 2 kids left, both not key players, not a big loss.

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So from what I read on here. Outside the actual MLS teams the FA NJ 2011 and 2010 are better (proven result wise) than all the MLS next teams and ECNL teams in this area. Their kids are staying with them so how are the MLS next teams or ECNL teams getting better. The lower mls next teams and ecnl teams better kids are going Red Bulls, Philly NYCFC, so those teams get weaker, while the FA nj’s of the world still stay as strong.

it seems like none of these mls next or ecnl teams would win the flights that these two teams currently play in and somehow you are convinced it’s better and telling everyone it’s better, but results wise it isn’t better. The 2010 age group is showing that too!

good players get scouted, that’s literally how it works, yes the mediocre players might get a lucky break and warm the bench at a college, but at the end of the day the best players, no matter what league they play in will get picked up and noticed, especially now with all the technology and information. Kids winning national championships at u16 in any level of league will get a look! Kids finishing 6th in any league won’t, that’s literally how it works!!

The 2010 FA Team doesn't have results proving they are better than the MLS next teams. They have not played them this year, nor will the play them again, probably ever. They might be better, but unfortunately, we will never know. that's how the Leagues and systems are set up. The 2010 Age group is not showing that EDP teams are better because the top 4 in the state cup were all from the EDP top flight. the entire tournament was only EDP teams, that's actually showing how there is no talent level level in EDP anymore after a couple teams.

But to answer your question, the MLS Next teams are going to be getting stronger because at this age people are willing to travel further differences for their children. The MLS next rosters (as are FA) are now pulling kids from up to 2 hour car rides away (crazy) instead of just maybe 45 minute to an hour away. Their radius of where they have players coming from has increased, so the pool of players and ideally the talent level will increase. Yes, the stronger players from the MLS Next teams may get bumped up to Red Bull/NYCFC/Philly Union but those MLS clubs will also be cutting players at very similar levels. Those kids will fill in empty spots on the MLS Next clubs. FA will also lose players to Red Bull like they did last year. 3 from their team did not stay last year like you are saying everyone will this year. If an MLS club comes calling for a player on the 2010 or 2011 team, they will go.

I disagree with your idea that the best players from any league will get picked/looked at. Ideally that's how it should be, but that isn't how reality works. dumb, I agree. There is so only so much time to look at film and games for college coaches. They are focusing on the largest group with the overall highest quality, not one team in a league playing lesser talent. Will they miss out on some great player, of course. Also, teams finishing 6th wont get looks as you say, that is completely wrong. The top colleges are paying attention to the MLS next league and the ECNL league. Will someone from outside those league maybe have a shot? probably. but it will be much harder for them since no one is paying attention.

Do research and look at the roster make up of college division 1 programs. easy example in Rutgers in NJ. They won the big 10 Championship this year and qualified for the NCAA tournament.

https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster

here is a breakdown of the Rutgers Mens soccer roster:

6x International

5x NY Red Bull
4x Philadelphia Union
2x Portland Timbers

8x PDA (MLS Next)
1x Met Oval (MLS Next)
1x Bethesda (MLS Next)
1x FC Delco (MLS Next)
1x Blackwatch (MLS Next)
1x Cedar Stars Bergen (MLS Next)

1x Classics Elite (ECNL)


Another NJ University you could look at is Seton Hall

https://shupirates.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster

a breakdown of their roster is:

18x internationals
1x Orlando City
1x NY Red Bull
1x Philadelphia Union
1x NYCFC/Met Oval
1x Barca Residency Academy
2x PDA

1x Ironbound
1x dutchmen

5x high school - no clubs listed

I would suggest doing your own research and seeing where college are pulling players from instead of blindly assuming the best kids will get selected no matter where they play. that is unfortunately not how things appear to be done.

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Doesn’t FA dump their own kids and bring in guest ringers for any big tournaments? Talk about non-development and marketing…

nah, that sounds more like Lacey-Cedar Stars to win the MOSA Cup

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The 2010 FA Team doesn't have results proving they are better than the MLS next teams. They have not played them this year, nor will the play them again, probably ever. They might be better, but unfortunately, we will never know. that's how the Leagues and systems are set up. The 2010 Age group is not showing that EDP teams are better because the top 4 in the state cup were all from the EDP top flight. the entire tournament was only EDP teams, that's actually showing how there is no talent level level in EDP anymore after a couple teams.

But to answer your question, the MLS Next teams are going to be getting stronger because at this age people are willing to travel further differences for their children. The MLS next rosters (as are FA) are now pulling kids from up to 2 hour car rides away (crazy) instead of just maybe 45 minute to an hour away. Their radius of where they have players coming from has increased, so the pool of players and ideally the talent level will increase. Yes, the stronger players from the MLS Next teams may get bumped up to Red Bull/NYCFC/Philly Union but those MLS clubs will also be cutting players at very similar levels. Those kids will fill in empty spots on the MLS Next clubs. FA will also lose players to Red Bull like they did last year. 3 from their team did not stay last year like you are saying everyone will this year. If an MLS club comes calling for a player on the 2010 or 2011 team, they will go.

I disagree with your idea that the best players from any league will get picked/looked at. Ideally that's how it should be, but that isn't how reality works. dumb, I agree. There is so only so much time to look at film and games for college coaches. They are focusing on the largest group with the overall highest quality, not one team in a league playing lesser talent. Will they miss out on some great player, of course. Also, teams finishing 6th wont get looks as you say, that is completely wrong. The top colleges are paying attention to the MLS next league and the ECNL league. Will someone from outside those league maybe have a shot? probably. but it will be much harder for them since no one is paying attention.

Do research and look at the roster make up of college division 1 programs. easy example in Rutgers in NJ. They won the big 10 Championship this year and qualified for the NCAA tournament.

https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster

here is a breakdown of the Rutgers Mens soccer roster:

6x International

5x NY Red Bull
4x Philadelphia Union
2x Portland Timbers

8x PDA (MLS Next)
1x Met Oval (MLS Next)
1x Bethesda (MLS Next)
1x FC Delco (MLS Next)
1x Blackwatch (MLS Next)
1x Cedar Stars Bergen (MLS Next)

1x Classics Elite (ECNL)


Another NJ University you could look at is Seton Hall

https://shupirates.com/sports/mens-soccer/roster

a breakdown of their roster is:

18x internationals
1x Orlando City
1x NY Red Bull
1x Philadelphia Union
1x NYCFC/Met Oval
1x Barca Residency Academy
2x PDA

1x Ironbound
1x dutchmen

5x high school - no clubs listed

I would suggest doing your own research and seeing where college are pulling players from instead of blindly assuming the best kids will get selected no matter where they play. that is unfortunately not how things appear to be done.

first part 18 internationals, so our take is why do we bother with any of these systems with our kids when there is only 33% of space for them on these teams?

I am pretty sure us soccer just released that 58% of the currents men team came through the USYS System, listed the players and what usys programs they played in! So I guess you are right, only what would have been DA and ECNL kids get looks. If you are good enough, you will be seen, this isn’t 20 years ago when you had to physically see a player. The fact we know about talent world wide at young age groups tells you the power of technology. Or the fact everyone on here, know all scores, kids names, who is good and not and how the whole system works, despite us all just being dads who never played at these levels or coached, myself included.

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How did the 2010 team fall apart? From what I heard, only 2 kids left, both not key players, not a big loss.

So much hate for the fanj on here it’s crazy! So many people scared of how good they are doing, how well they develop talent and how in only a couple years have become a top club in NJ and highlighting that by beating the mls next and ecnl clubs easily.

We have been at cedar stars since the start with all our kids and this is how it all started with cedar stars. Everyone hating, bad mounting and making any excuse to why cedar stars will fail, but they didn’t. Superior coaching, infrastructure and facilities. My opinion the fanj are heading the same way and will eventually get into mls next or ecnl or what ever route they want to take and everyone on here knows it and is scared of that competition. They have already surpassed STA and TSF in my opinion and would compete better than them given the chance.

we should embrace this level of soccer in our state not hate it. Maybe I am bias as I have first hand been through the trash talking and jealous hate talk that the fanj is going though. But it means you are doing it the right way and people hating you means you are hurting them! I always look forward to a game against the fanj, I know my son is in for a good game against good respectful coaches.

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So much hate for the fanj on here it’s crazy! So many people scared of how good they are doing, how well they develop talent and how in only a couple years have become a top club in NJ and highlighting that by beating the mls next and ecnl clubs easily.

We have been at cedar stars since the start with all our kids and this is how it all started with cedar stars. Everyone hating, bad mounting and making any excuse to why cedar stars will fail, but they didn’t. Superior coaching, infrastructure and facilities. My opinion the fanj are heading the same way and will eventually get into mls next or ecnl or what ever route they want to take and everyone on here knows it and is scared of that competition. They have already surpassed STA and TSF in my opinion and would compete better than them given the chance.

we should embrace this level of soccer in our state not hate it. Maybe I am bias as I have first hand been through the trash talking and jealous hate talk that the fanj is going though. But it means you are doing it the right way and people hating you means you are hurting them! I always look forward to a game against the fanj, I know my son is in for a good game against good respectful coaches.

non-FA parent. 2011 team is really great. 2010 team used to be great and is still good, but fading. As others have pointed out, the fading isn't the clubs fault, they just stop playing the best competition at u13 and there is nothing they can do about it. Making statements of comparison of u13 levels is hard since they will never play each other. If your kid is happy, who cares.

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So much hate for the fanj on here it’s crazy! So many people scared of how good they are doing, how well they develop talent and how in only a couple years have become a top club in NJ and highlighting that by beating the mls next and ecnl clubs easily.

We have been at cedar stars since the start with all our kids and this is how it all started with cedar stars. Everyone hating, bad mounting and making any excuse to why cedar stars will fail, but they didn’t. Superior coaching, infrastructure and facilities. My opinion the fanj are heading the same way and will eventually get into mls next or ecnl or what ever route they want to take and everyone on here knows it and is scared of that competition. They have already surpassed STA and TSF in my opinion and would compete better than them given the chance.

we should embrace this level of soccer in our state not hate it. Maybe I am bias as I have first hand been through the trash talking and jealous hate talk that the fanj is going though. But it means you are doing it the right way and people hating you means you are hurting them! I always look forward to a game against the fanj, I know my son is in for a good game against good respectful coaches.

I don’t think pointing out how the system currently works is hate. I disagree with how USYS is set up, but that’s the cards we have been dealt right now. If you take that as “hate” that’s your fault. Obviously FA are doing a great job developing talent. That is why Red Bulls have poached some of their players and will continue to do so.

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So much hate for the fanj on here it’s crazy! So many people scared of how good they are doing, how well they develop talent and how in only a couple years have become a top club in NJ and highlighting that by beating the mls next and ecnl clubs easily.

We have been at cedar stars since the start with all our kids and this is how it all started with cedar stars. Everyone hating, bad mounting and making any excuse to why cedar stars will fail, but they didn’t. Superior coaching, infrastructure and facilities. My opinion the fanj are heading the same way and will eventually get into mls next or ecnl or what ever route they want to take and everyone on here knows it and is scared of that competition. They have already surpassed STA and TSF in my opinion and would compete better than them given the chance.

we should embrace this level of soccer in our state not hate it. Maybe I am bias as I have first hand been through the trash talking and jealous hate talk that the fanj is going though. But it means you are doing it the right way and people hating you means you are hurting them! I always look forward to a game against the fanj, I know my son is in for a good game against good respectful coaches.

No hate, just providing some actual information. The FA took teams from Centercourt during covid when Neil and Mark broke off and started FA. This isn't like they started from scratch 3 years ago and found kids playing Rec and made them into phenoms. Granted, they have built something very consistent for u12 and under, but they are bringing in new kids, groups of kids or entire teams from other clubs as well. Most of the Silver 2010 team was the PSA North team, including their coach. This was a very talented and successful team without FA. There is nothing wrong with any of this, its a business and they market well. They offer many more games and minutes than almost anyone (other than maybe 2011 Union) and its very attractive and exciting. U12 and under, they are playing the best teams in the northeast and they travel to huge national tournaments as well. This helps nurture the talent they have brought in and is clearly creating great teams. u13+, they lose all of that unfortunately. Hopefully in several years they can apply and be accepted to a league that will allow them to continue that success.

There is nothing wrong with moving through the FA program U12 and under, but just recognize that the aspects that made these teams great are just completely unavailable after that. The NJ MLS Next teams and some of the ECNL teams are middling u13, but that is because they are just forming the basis for their teams with new kids. They aren't developing much u12 and under. I don't think anyone believes that. Red Bulls literally never develops anything. Unfortunately (I think 99% of people hate the youth soccer system) though, you will need to move to one of these clubs to keep pushing your child with the best competition.

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first part 18 internationals, so our take is why do we bother with any of these systems with our kids when there is only 33% of space for them on these teams?

I am pretty sure us soccer just released that 58% of the currents men team came through the USYS System, listed the players and what usys programs they played in! So I guess you are right, only what would have been DA and ECNL kids get looks. If you are good enough, you will be seen, this isn’t 20 years ago when you had to physically see a player. The fact we know about talent world wide at young age groups tells you the power of technology. Or the fact everyone on here, know all scores, kids names, who is good and not and how the whole system works, despite us all just being dads who never played at these levels or coached, myself included.

I am not sure what article or information you are referring to. I provided a link below to a lengthy article that states 17 of the 26 players came through the DA (developmental Academy which is now essentially MLS Next) (That is 65% of the players from the DA/MLS Next so I don't think 58% could be from USYS)

Sergino Dest was born and raised in the Netherlands so he never came through the US System. Antonee Robinson was born and raided in England. Yunus Musah was born in NY, but raised in Italy and England. Cameron Carters-Vickers was born and raised in England. None of these players were able to come through the US system. That is 4 players plus the 17 they claim came through the DA/MLS system. that leaves 5 players at most who could possible could have come through USYS. If all 5 did come through USYS 5 out of 26 is 19% not 58%

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6 Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFbI Fm9z9WkIsWhOtu9UQWzRjo7jfWoWF0eGrGSCAmTWV_576tTNx3 ap21hx7MZjTLtjtJYzYxwhkWmL7H-n3nCxiFkcwf26kD42VbaA9s1U87IM2MQGZrbm7VJnF3BDYZND1 T5W_hX3JTc0dlI29rWiP5urBSCfnxUwG9zaOJF7

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I am not sure what article or information you are referring to. I provided a link below to a lengthy article that states 17 of the 26 players came through the DA (developmental Academy which is now essentially MLS Next) (That is 65% of the players from the DA/MLS Next so I don't think 58% could be from USYS)

Sergino Dest was born and raised in the Netherlands so he never came through the US System. Antonee Robinson was born and raided in England. Yunus Musah was born in NY, but raised in Italy and England. Cameron Carters-Vickers was born and raised in England. None of these players were able to come through the US system. That is 4 players plus the 17 they claim came through the DA/MLS system. that leaves 5 players at most who could possible could have come through USYS. If all 5 did come through USYS 5 out of 26 is 19% not 58%

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6 Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFbI Fm9z9WkIsWhOtu9UQWzRjo7jfWoWF0eGrGSCAmTWV_576tTNx3 ap21hx7MZjTLtjtJYzYxwhkWmL7H-n3nCxiFkcwf26kD42VbaA9s1U87IM2MQGZrbm7VJnF3BDYZND1 T5W_hX3JTc0dlI29rWiP5urBSCfnxUwG9zaOJF7

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...CfnxUwG9zaOJF7

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I am not sure what article or information you are referring to. I provided a link below to a lengthy article that states 17 of the 26 players came through the DA (developmental Academy which is now essentially MLS Next) (That is 65% of the players from the DA/MLS Next so I don't think 58% could be from USYS)

Sergino Dest was born and raised in the Netherlands so he never came through the US System. Antonee Robinson was born and raided in England. Yunus Musah was born in NY, but raised in Italy and England. Cameron Carters-Vickers was born and raised in England. None of these players were able to come through the US system. That is 4 players plus the 17 they claim came through the DA/MLS system. that leaves 5 players at most who could possible could have come through USYS. If all 5 did come through USYS 5 out of 26 is 19% not 58%

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6 Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFbI Fm9z9WkIsWhOtu9UQWzRjo7jfWoWF0eGrGSCAmTWV_576tTNx3 ap21hx7MZjTLtjtJYzYxwhkWmL7H-n3nCxiFkcwf26kD42VbaA9s1U87IM2MQGZrbm7VJnF3BDYZND1 T5W_hX3JTc0dlI29rWiP5urBSCfnxUwG9zaOJF7

I found the article you were referring to... it does state 58% but just says they have ties to them. That would be like a player playing for a NJYS team for a year and then an MLS academy for 10 years. they technically have a tie to the NJYS program. The article also states that most of the players on the squad were developed at ODP which is completely false. It gives the example of Deandre Yedlin who was actually developed at Crossfire Premier, an ECNL club, and then moved onto Seattle Sounders Academy. They also Mention Walker Zimmerman who w as developed at GSA, another ECNL club in Georgia.


https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/fourte...mkvBTNu7lSfe-c

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No hate, just providing some actual information. The FA took teams from Centercourt during covid when Neil and Mark broke off and started FA. This isn't like they started from scratch 3 years ago and found kids playing Rec and made them into phenoms. Granted, they have built something very consistent for u12 and under, but they are bringing in new kids, groups of kids or entire teams from other clubs as well. Most of the Silver 2010 team was the PSA North team, including their coach. This was a very talented and successful team without FA. There is nothing wrong with any of this, its a business and they market well. They offer many more games and minutes than almost anyone (other than maybe 2011 Union) and its very attractive and exciting. U12 and under, they are playing the best teams in the northeast and they travel to huge national tournaments as well. This helps nurture the talent they have brought in and is clearly creating great teams. u13+, they lose all of that unfortunately. Hopefully in several years they can apply and be accepted to a league that will allow them to continue that success.

There is nothing wrong with moving through the FA program U12 and under, but just recognize that the aspects that made these teams great are just completely unavailable after that. The NJ MLS Next teams and some of the ECNL teams are middling u13, but that is because they are just forming the basis for their teams with new kids. They aren't developing much u12 and under. I don't think anyone believes that. Red Bulls literally never develops anything. Unfortunately (I think 99% of people hate the youth soccer system) though, you will need to move to one of these clubs to keep pushing your child with the best competition.

Nobody has to move anywhere, my son played at his local team until he was 15. We then moved to an MLS Academy and he ended up playing at a good college. Keep your kid in the environment they are developing in. Clubs with statuses are not getting or developing talent anymore and they are getting found out. It’s always next year the team will compete, next year next year. Why can’t they compete now ? Because the club they are at cannot develop players but instead rely on recruiting new talent due to a hand shake made years ago to the boys club as this will bring us new players in. When the time is right go to an MLS Academy, why go now to another MLS next team to be another number or to say my kid played in the MLS next when he was 12/13/14. Driving to Virginia/Boston for 1 game is just insane for a kid at these ages. Remember you are replaceable and when the RB cuts come which happen every year you will be replaced. All that Travel to just be replaced when the next best thing comes through the door !

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So much hate for the fanj on here it’s crazy! So many people scared of how good they are doing, how well they develop talent and how in only a couple years have become a top club in NJ and highlighting that by beating the mls next and ecnl clubs easily.

We have been at cedar stars since the start with all our kids and this is how it all started with cedar stars. Everyone hating, bad mounting and making any excuse to why cedar stars will fail, but they didn’t. Superior coaching, infrastructure and facilities. My opinion the fanj are heading the same way and will eventually get into mls next or ecnl or what ever route they want to take and everyone on here knows it and is scared of that competition. They have already surpassed STA and TSF in my opinion and would compete better than them given the chance.

we should embrace this level of soccer in our state not hate it. Maybe I am bias as I have first hand been through the trash talking and jealous hate talk that the fanj is going though. But it means you are doing it the right way and people hating you means you are hurting them! I always look forward to a game against the fanj, I know my son is in for a good game against good respectful coaches.

FA is the old Center Court team, they are only called FA in the last 2 years. They are not a new team.

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Nobody has to move anywhere, my son played at his local team until he was 15. We then moved to an MLS Academy and he ended up playing at a good college. Keep your kid in the environment they are developing in. Clubs with statuses are not getting or developing talent anymore and they are getting found out. It’s always next year the team will compete, next year next year. Why can’t they compete now ? Because the club they are at cannot develop players but instead rely on recruiting new talent due to a hand shake made years ago to the boys club as this will bring us new players in. When the time is right go to an MLS Academy, why go now to another MLS next team to be another number or to say my kid played in the MLS next when he was 12/13/14. Driving to Virginia/Boston for 1 game is just insane for a kid at these ages. Remember you are replaceable and when the RB cuts come which happen every year you will be replaced. All that Travel to just be replaced when the next best thing comes through the door !

The only issue is that once they go to 11v11 they will play low level teams in league play and tournaments. So you may think your kids is a star killing it but in reality his level will drop playing that type of competition. Look at the FA 2010s, they are not even the top team in USYS and they aren't playing against top teams.

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The only issue is that once they go to 11v11 they will play low level teams in league play and tournaments. So you may think your kids is a star killing it but in reality his level will drop playing that type of competition. Look at the FA 2010s, they are not even the top team in USYS and they aren't playing against top teams.

What happens if FA does make it into MLS next????