2011 Boys

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What happens if FA does make it into MLS next????

It's 5 years out, if it ever happens. You have to be good at U19, U17, etc. FA has U12 teams and younger.

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Teams like FA are fine for youth development. Let’s see how many of their players are at the big academies by U15 before we kiss the rings. The 12 man roster is fine for 9 v 9 but there is a reason why mls next and ECNL have 18 - 20 man rosters. There are always injuries HS exceptions etc.

FA are sellers not buyers at this point. They would have to attract 5-6 quality players for each age group including 2011. I do t see that happening for any league they go to. ECNL is far fetched and MLSN is a dream that will never happen for a number of factors outside of being successful at U12.

Maybe to try and join with a quality men’s program an buy their way into a usl2 and gssl.

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What happens if FA does make it into MLS next????

FA will not get MLS Next Status they don't have a stack full of teams through u19. Your coach might be selling you that so your kid doesn't try out anywhere else for next season.

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I am not sure what article or information you are referring to. I provided a link below to a lengthy article that states 17 of the 26 players came through the DA (developmental Academy which is now essentially MLS Next) (That is 65% of the players from the DA/MLS Next so I don't think 58% could be from USYS)

Sergino Dest was born and raised in the Netherlands so he never came through the US System. Antonee Robinson was born and raided in England. Yunus Musah was born in NY, but raised in Italy and England. Cameron Carters-Vickers was born and raised in England. None of these players were able to come through the US system. That is 4 players plus the 17 they claim came through the DA/MLS system. that leaves 5 players at most who could possible could have come through USYS. If all 5 did come through USYS 5 out of 26 is 19% not 58%

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6 Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFbI Fm9z9WkIsWhOtu9UQWzRjo7jfWoWF0eGrGSCAmTWV_576tTNx3 ap21hx7MZjTLtjtJYzYxwhkWmL7H-n3nCxiFkcwf26kD42VbaA9s1U87IM2MQGZrbm7VJnF3BDYZND1 T5W_hX3JTc0dlI29rWiP5urBSCfnxUwG9zaOJF7

This was the article. If your information is correct, which I don’t doubt and this is being sent out, then it shows you everything that is wrong with the system we put our kids through!

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/fourte...csVLD-YKoqxr88

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What happens if FA does make it into MLS next????

Next year Their u19, u17, u16, u15 teams would lose every single game by more than 5 and clubs would be pissed and complain how it was a waste of a day coming “there”.. they still dont have a facility capable of getting them into the league, which I see as the main issue. The u13 and u14 teams would win or at least compete at the level they should. My opinion is if they somehow get the field issues sorted and keep churning out solid younger teams they will eventually get a badge. ECNL or mls next. This won’t be for 3+ years though. Think MLS Next could accept them in at u15 maybe if they stay together with u15, u14 and u13 and add age groups as that u15 team gets older.

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This is what happened with the Liverpool team just a year early. There was no future at that club what play EDP forever. Ever player from that team is on a pre-mls team. 1 TSF, 3 Real, 6 CSA Monmouth (1 playing on csa Monmouth 2010 mls next team now). The girl who was on the team plays on a top girls ENCL team. This is what will happen with FA there top players will eventually leave. This will happen with SJEB, Futboltech, Europe Lions, Cohansey, ironbound etc... maybe teams like Morris Elite and Match Fit Blue hold on to some players because they are USL and ECNL. One of match fit best players left for Real this season also. It's just the nature of the beast and yes maybe these MLS Nsxt teams are not as good as FA now but in a blink of eye they can have a entire new roster. Good example of that is Real past two years they might have had less then 10 wins combined in four seasons. This past off season they added 3 Liverpool, 2 futboltech, 1 match fit kid and just finished 2 in the state cup. And I would not be surprised by next fall there another 6 to 7 new kids on the team. CSA Monmouth also barely has any old players on there A team for 2011 and 2010 just for example you might hate the system but it is what it is

Dont get me wrong i hate the system also!!! But you have to play the game

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Next year Their u19, u17, u16, u15 teams would lose every single game by more than 5 and clubs would be pissed and complain how it was a waste of a day coming “there”.. they still dont have a facility capable of getting them into the league, which I see as the main issue. The u13 and u14 teams would win or at least compete at the level they should. My opinion is if they somehow get the field issues sorted and keep churning out solid younger teams they will eventually get a badge. ECNL or mls next. This won’t be for 3+ years though. Think MLS Next could accept them in at u15 maybe if they stay together with u15, u14 and u13 and add age groups as that u15 team gets older.

Well said! MLSN would do well to take FA teams 2010 and younger. Older teams are weaker because those players joined from elsewhere and were not developed by FA from the start. MLSN should be rewarding the ability to develop young players, not the ability to show a badge and wait for other clubs to fall apart. Surely FA will find fields to play on, I doubt that is a real issue.

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Nobody has to move anywhere, my son played at his local team until he was 15. We then moved to an MLS Academy and he ended up playing at a good college. Keep your kid in the environment they are developing in. Clubs with statuses are not getting or developing talent anymore and they are getting found out. It’s always next year the team will compete, next year next year. Why can’t they compete now ? Because the club they are at cannot develop players but instead rely on recruiting new talent due to a hand shake made years ago to the boys club as this will bring us new players in. When the time is right go to an MLS Academy, why go now to another MLS next team to be another number or to say my kid played in the MLS next when he was 12/13/14. Driving to Virginia/Boston for 1 game is just insane for a kid at these ages. Remember you are replaceable and when the RB cuts come which happen every year you will be replaced. All that Travel to just be replaced when the next best thing comes through the door !

Well said!

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Well said! MLSN would do well to take FA teams 2010 and younger. Older teams are weaker because those players joined from elsewhere and were not developed by FA from the start. MLSN should be rewarding the ability to develop young players, not the ability to show a badge and wait for other clubs to fall apart. Surely FA will find fields to play on, I doubt that is a real issue.

What is the obsession with teams keeping players from u8 on? You make it sound like players don’t freely leave teams to other teams for various reasons.

Also keep in mind FA is a win now club so they push winning vs other clubs who do develop players.

someone posted this link:

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6

if you actually read the article it contradicts everything that the parents in this forum call for and everything that FA and Union do. All of these games they play are more harmful in the development process than helpful. I’m sure people will scoff at it but it was a study done by soccer professionals, not by a NJ 2011 forum. All the games FA and union play are to keep the parents happy not to develop players. Anyone will tell you FA parents drive that club not the Fa coaches.

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Ok, let STA keep telling parents that their 8 games a year is all they’re going to get so John Newman can keep all that money in his pocket.

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What is the obsession with teams keeping players from u8 on? You make it sound like players don’t freely leave teams to other teams for various reasons.

Also keep in mind FA is a win now club so they push winning vs other clubs who do develop players.

someone posted this link:

https://sports.yahoo.com/usmnt-socce...errer=aHR0cHM6

if you actually read the article it contradicts everything that the parents in this forum call for and everything that FA and Union do. All of these games they play are more harmful in the development process than helpful. I’m sure people will scoff at it but it was a study done by soccer professionals, not by a NJ 2011 forum. All the games FA and union play are to keep the parents happy not to develop players. Anyone will tell you FA parents drive that club not the Fa coaches.

You go and find us any top professional player who become that level playing 16 games a year (8 fall and 8 spring) let’s throw in a couple tournaments and imagine they win so let’s add another 8 games. So go and find me any decent level player who said I got here playing 24 games a year…give me a break! You hear even the female players saying how they would play on their team then a boys team in the afternoon. Never seen Messi diagnosed with an overuse injury. This is the issue with our country, act like experts while we are always miles behind the rest of the world! Kids in South America and Europe are playing more than 24 games a year I could put my life on that!
parents aren’t running fa, by what this forum says the fa is fronting most of the costs for these kids to play more, isn’t that development vs an STA doing bare minimum or even an RDS and pocketing more of the funds, but they make up a poor excuse for how poor the teams do by saying it’s development. Excuse after excuse!

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Well said! MLSN would do well to take FA teams 2010 and younger. Older teams are weaker because those players joined from elsewhere and were not developed by FA from the start. MLSN should be rewarding the ability to develop young players, not the ability to show a badge and wait for other clubs to fall apart. Surely FA will find fields to play on, I doubt that is a real issue.

MLSN starts at u13

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You go and find us any top professional player who become that level playing 16 games a year (8 fall and 8 spring) let’s throw in a couple tournaments and imagine they win so let’s add another 8 games. So go and find me any decent level player who said I got here playing 24 games a year…give me a break! You hear even the female players saying how they would play on their team then a boys team in the afternoon. Never seen Messi diagnosed with an overuse injury. This is the issue with our country, act like experts while we are always miles behind the rest of the world! Kids in South America and Europe are playing more than 24 games a year I could put my life on that!
parents aren’t running fa, by what this forum says the fa is fronting most of the costs for these kids to play more, isn’t that development vs an STA doing bare minimum or even an RDS and pocketing more of the funds, but they make up a poor excuse for how poor the teams do by saying it’s development. Excuse after excuse!

The FA teams are doing the same low volume at u13 and up. They play USYS for maybe 8 games a season. They participate in the State cup, just like everyone else. They may play an extra tournament above other clubs per season. Its the FA u12 and younger that play WAY more than other places for sure, BUT only if you are on the Black team. Not sure how STA got into the conversation. They have 4 teams per age group in some cases and everyone pays the same and 1-1000 kids ever get promoted.

MLSN, U13 and up, plays 24 +/- 2 league games a year. They play 3-5 showcases of 3 games each during the year. They also play 5-10 friendlies with other MLSN clubs. Training is 4 days a week.

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The FA teams are doing the same low volume at u13 and up. They play USYS for maybe 8 games a season. They participate in the State cup, just like everyone else. They may play an extra tournament above other clubs per season. Its the FA u12 and younger that play WAY more than other places for sure, BUT only if you are on the Black team. Not sure how STA got into the conversation. They have 4 teams per age group in some cases and everyone pays the same and 1-1000 kids ever get promoted.

MLSN, U13 and up, plays 24 +/- 2 league games a year. They play 3-5 showcases of 3 games each during the year. They also play 5-10 friendlies with other MLSN clubs. Training is 4 days a week.

FA u13 teams this fall played in the EDP Fall kickoff. Black beat Silver in the final. They played the Lou Ramos Invitational and went to the final. They played in the EDP Cup Fall. They played in the State Cup and won the final. That is 16 games this fall. They had another 8 scheduled league games. That is 24 games this fall not counting any scrimmages they may have had. Those are full sided games on the full field. wouldn't exactly consider that low volume. its the same volume as what you have described for MLS next clubs.

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FA u13 teams this fall played in the EDP Fall kickoff. Black beat Silver in the final. They played the Lou Ramos Invitational and went to the final. They played in the EDP Cup Fall. They played in the State Cup and won the final. That is 16 games this fall. They had another 8 scheduled league games. That is 24 games this fall not counting any scrimmages they may have had. Those are full sided games on the full field. wouldn't exactly consider that low volume. its the same volume as what you have described for MLS next clubs.

All that volume vs low level teams lol but if the parents love trophies they are in the right place.