Edp trapped player rules. Anything?

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All of you are missing the point.....This "new" issue of trapped 8th graders isn't anything new. This is no different then when teams became/become HS eligible. Not everyone wants or does play HS in the fall. This issue was only extended down into the 8th grade because of the change but no one ever bothered with reforming teams to compensate. You are feeling that your kid should be playing on his team but because of the rules, can't.

And what information does someone have that EDP will not have u16 or higher league for fall? They had more than enough teams apply.

https://events.gotsport.com/events/t...&eventid=79560

Of course it's not "new". It's been there since USSF forced the change from school year to birth year. The issue being raised is why hasn't EDP adjusted to this change after these past 4 years.

As far as "reforming teams to compensate", teams were completely reformed when birth-year was implemented. How would you reform a team so that trapped players would have a place to play in the fall? Even if you had a team made 100% of trapped 8th graders, where would they play? They can't play U14 because they are too old. They can't play U15 because U15 teams don't have fall seasons. They can't play HS because they aren't in HS.

If EDP has a U15 (or U16) league in the fall, then yes, this would help solve the problem. They have not had one in the past. This is what the OP was asking for.

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Of course it's not "new". It's been there since USSF forced the change from school year to birth year. The issue being raised is why hasn't EDP adjusted to this change after these past 4 years.

As far as "reforming teams to compensate", teams were completely reformed when birth-year was implemented. How would you reform a team so that trapped players would have a place to play in the fall? Even if you had a team made 100% of trapped 8th graders, where would they play? They can't play U14 because they are too old. They can't play U15 because U15 teams don't have fall seasons. They can't play HS because they aren't in HS.

If EDP has a U15 (or U16) league in the fall, then yes, this would help solve the problem. They have not had one in the past. This is what the OP was asking for.

Exactly and all of the people who think it’s ok, because they never have to deal with it. These kids were robbed of an entire year of soccer all ready when they went from u11 to u13. Now they are u15 and don’t have a season.

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Looking at last fall EDP most certainly had leagues for both girls and boys. So what's the complaining about?

https://events.gotsport.com/events/d...?EventID=73629

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Looking at last fall EDP most certainly had leagues for both girls and boys. So what's the complaining about?

https://events.gotsport.com/events/d...?EventID=73629

If your current team does not have a season then the 8th graders do not have a team to play on. Example academy teams do not play in the fall for u15 so the kids that are 8th graders do not play. Some kids are lucky that their club team will have a fall season but not every club has a fall season. Just look at the number of u15 teams vs u14 teams.

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Looking at last fall EDP most certainly had leagues for both girls and boys. So what's the complaining about?

https://events.gotsport.com/events/d...?EventID=73629

Why did you wait for 3 pages of discussion to post this? Could have saved all of us so much time.

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If your current team does not have a season then the 8th graders do not have a team to play on. Example academy teams do not play in the fall for u15 so the kids that are 8th graders do not play. Some kids are lucky that their club team will have a fall season but not every club has a fall season. Just look at the number of u15 teams vs u14 teams.

Well, to be fair to EDP, it appears that they have made an accommodation to have fall seasons for U15 teams, so trapped players do have an option. But it does force most of those players to switch clubs for half a year, and maybe some clubs won't allow their trapped 8th graders to join another club for just half a year. So it's still a problem for a lot of kids. USSF should go back to school year instead of birth year.

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The really simple fix is if the league allows those trapped players to play down for the fall. Then move back to regular team for spring when one exist. The point is why should players born in Oct Nov and December be punished? This isn’t about the World Cup it’s allowing players kids to play the sport they like. If ECNL can do it not sure why EDP wouldn’t at least entertain the idea. The point is to have kids play more and not less. I say play not because they will become pros but because they are kids.

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Well, to be fair to EDP, it appears that they have made an accommodation to have fall seasons for U15 teams, so trapped players do have an option. But it does force most of those players to switch clubs for half a year, and maybe some clubs won't allow their trapped 8th graders to join another club for just half a year. So it's still a problem for a lot of kids. USSF should go back to school year instead of birth year.

Edp did that this year because of Covid and not trapped players. Since many schools won’t be playing. This does not solve the trapped player situation post Covid

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The really simple fix is if the league allows those trapped players to play down for the fall. Then move back to regular team for spring when one exist. The point is why should players born in Oct Nov and December be punished? This isn’t about the World Cup it’s allowing players kids to play the sport they like. If ECNL can do it not sure why EDP wouldn’t at least entertain the idea. The point is to have kids play more and not less. I say play not because they will become pros but because they are kids.

ECNL does this, but it’s only 2 players per game that are allowed. And if that younger team has a full roster, then the “trapped” players are often bumping existing kids off of the game day roster. For this reason it happens far less in practice. For those that say “just find another league to play in”—one of the current 2006 teams at my daughter’s ECNL club has at least 9 players that are “trapped” this fall. If that coach took those 9 kids and added a few more 8th graders within the club and played the fall in a lower league, I’m pretty sure it would not be well received by the clubs that they were playing against.

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Edp did that this year because of Covid and not trapped players. Since many schools won’t be playing. This does not solve the trapped player situation post Covid

That was LAST YEARS fall league which has tons of teams between u15 and u16 so wasn't due to covid.

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Guys and gals I get all of this. The reality is this is simply not fair. Life isn’t fair and I get that. I have to advocate for my kid who just wants a team to play on.

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You people...The original argument was that EDP doesn't provide a league so the "trapped" players should be allowed to play down.

EDP does in fact have a league in the fall for u15 and up.

Now you say the league should change because YOUR CLUB won't have a team? You want older players to be allowed to play down so now you are taking spots away from younger players?

You people are nuts, move clubs or find one that plays under different carding or how about this....PUTS PRESSURE ON THE CLUB TO HAVE A TEAM. Take all the players from u15 up that don't play HS and the players that are "trapped" and form a team. I know a few teams in SJ that have players from u13 all the way to HS senior playing together on a single team. EDP doesn't have any rules on how far a player plays up.

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You people...The original argument was that EDP doesn't provide a league so the "trapped" players should be allowed to play down.

EDP does in fact have a league in the fall for u15 and up.

Now you say the league should change because YOUR CLUB won't have a team? You want older players to be allowed to play down so now you are taking spots away from younger players?

You people are nuts, move clubs or find one that plays under different carding or how about this....PUTS PRESSURE ON THE CLUB TO HAVE A TEAM. Take all the players from u15 up that don't play HS and the players that are "trapped" and form a team. I know a few teams in SJ that have players from u13 all the way to HS senior playing together on a single team. EDP doesn't have any rules on how far a player plays up.

All of these "solutions" have issues, whether its forcing players to change teams for a year (or half a year), playing down and causing roster disruptions for the U14 team, etc. The EASIEST solution with no downside to anyone at all (other than a 1-time reshuffling of rosters) is for USSF to go back to school-year carding instead of birth year. School year carding hurts no one.

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ECNL does this, but it’s only 2 players per game that are allowed. And if that younger team has a full roster, then the “trapped” players are often bumping existing kids off of the game day roster. For this reason it happens far less in practice. For those that say “just find another league to play in”—one of the current 2006 teams at my daughter’s ECNL club has at least 9 players that are “trapped” this fall. If that coach took those 9 kids and added a few more 8th graders within the club and played the fall in a lower league, I’m pretty sure it would not be well received by the clubs that they were playing against.

Statistically the odds are about 1/3 would be trapped, if that as it's going to vary year to year. At a minimum clubs can allow players to practice with the younger squads. Limiting the # of game players is frustrating but it's also the right thing to do - first, it's fair the younger team who shouldn't lose much time because of some stupid rule they had nothing to do with 2) it's fair to the opposing team who could all be younger players.

What's really crazy is last year BDA started a policy that younger smaller players could play down a year. Yeah, you read that right. USSF made everyone change but then let younger players play down.

Meanwhile, since the age change youth soccer participation has fallen 15%. Granted, not all of it is because of the change (expense and too much travel are other reasons) but it's not helping. We should want as many kids playing as possible with few hassles - and lower cost and less travel.

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All of these "solutions" have issues, whether its forcing players to change teams for a year (or half a year), playing down and causing roster disruptions for the U14 team, etc. The EASIEST solution with no downside to anyone at all (other than a 1-time reshuffling of rosters) is for USSF to go back to school-year carding instead of birth year. School year carding hurts no one.

It’s so obvious that the people who think the age change is good had their children benefit from it. I have 2 children, one went from oldest to youngest and one who went from younger to older. But before the age change I never had to worry about my 8th graders not having a fall season.