Cedar Stars Academy Monmouth - Antics

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Not sure how you got to that scenario other than to take a jab at CSA Monmouth. This goes on at every big club who attracts kids....all of them! It has nothing to do with developing players. Kids on town teams or bigger clubs who aren't happy for whatever reason look to move teams and because these bigger clubs fit that mold where they feel they might have a better chance at succeeding or developing they're brought in to train with the existing team. If that player is good or shows promise the coach will try and sign them to the club. Some players accept, some players decline, while other players tell the coach they want to remain loyal to their current club and will finish the year. The coach will most likely ask them to come on as a practice player. Players that choose to sign with the team are now part of the current team and if they're more talented than an existing player they will take their spot. Is this something 9, 10 or even 11 year olds will understand? Probably not, but this is the spot their parents chose to put them in and are the only ones to blame. Parents need to understand how these big clubs work before they sign their kid up. In most cases all they care about when they originally sign is the name status of playing for one of these bigger clubs and don't understand that being on the team doesn't guarantee you playing time.

I do find it interesting that when certain coaches or clubs replace players mid-season, they are raked over the coals on this board, while when other coaches and clubs do this on a regular basis, it's business as usual.

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Not sure how you got to that scenario other than to take a jab at CSA Monmouth. This goes on at every big club who attracts kids....all of them! It has nothing to do with developing players. Kids on town teams or bigger clubs who aren't happy for whatever reason look to move teams and because these bigger clubs fit that mold where they feel they might have a better chance at succeeding or developing they're brought in to train with the existing team. If that player is good or shows promise the coach will try and sign them to the club. Some players accept, some players decline, while other players tell the coach they want to remain loyal to their current club and will finish the year. The coach will most likely ask them to come on as a practice player. Players that choose to sign with the team are now part of the current team and if they're more talented than an existing player they will take their spot. Is this something 9, 10 or even 11 year olds will understand? Probably not, but this is the spot their parents chose to put them in and are the only ones to blame. Parents need to understand how these big clubs work before they sign their kid up. In most cases all they care about when they originally sign is the name status of playing for one of these bigger clubs and don't understand that being on the team doesn't guarantee you playing time.

I agree with most of this post, except where it states parents are the only ones to blame. I think that depends on the circumstances. Honestly, I don't condone bringing on more kids mid-season unless you are operating at a deficit (i.e. you have 13 kids on a full sided roster) but that's just my thing. Outside of that, I don't agree with brining on enough kids to form an entire second team. Kids tried out and made an A team and shouldn't be shifted down to a B team that faces a different level of competition. I understand that club contracts allow this (parents should actually read them before signing), but I think it's total crap. A coach is making the choice for that to happen.

For the other scenario, if a new kid comes on the roster then there should be an honest competition for the spot(s) and playing time. The honest part of that is what is missing sometimes. I've seen coaches take players that aren't better than the existing roster and play them over those existing players just to make the new parents happy/stay past the season. This is where the issues arise. If said new kid is better and the existing roster doesn't rise to the challenge/work harder then I get it. This isn't always the case.

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NS privately trains my son. One of the best around. The girls are lucky to have him. All this other talk is just noise that has been going on for years.

Good trainer. Really bad guy.

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Good trainer. Really bad guy.

Have not experienced that. I did experience RT. Terrible trainer and terrible guy. So let’s call it a draw.

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Have not experienced that. I did experience RT. Terrible trainer and terrible guy. So let’s call it a draw.

Yea, but RT is really fun at the bar.

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Good trainer. Really bad guy.

Based on what? This blanket statement states nothing that proves 'he's a really bad guy'.
Just a dumb statement all around.

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I agree with most of this post, except where it states parents are the only ones to blame. I think that depends on the circumstances. Honestly, I don't condone bringing on more kids mid-season unless you are operating at a deficit (i.e. you have 13 kids on a full sided roster) but that's just my thing. Outside of that, I don't agree with brining on enough kids to form an entire second team. Kids tried out and made an A team and shouldn't be shifted down to a B team that faces a different level of competition. I understand that club contracts allow this (parents should actually read them before signing), but I think it's total crap. A coach is making the choice for that to happen.

For the other scenario, if a new kid comes on the roster then there should be an honest competition for the spot(s) and playing time. The honest part of that is what is missing sometimes. I've seen coaches take players that aren't better than the existing roster and play them over those existing players just to make the new parents happy/stay past the season. This is where the issues arise. If said new kid is better and the existing roster doesn't rise to the challenge/work harder then I get it. This isn't always the case.

In my case we did come on board mid season as her current was not meeting hers or our expectations for several reasons. I brought it to the coaches attention and the issues were not resolved. We looked at a few clubs, she liked one, went to a practice session. We were told up front she would not be a starter, and that was ok for us as it sets goals for her to get better and earn her playing time.
As far as the bait and switch and replacing a whole team, that is just a **** move and clubs that do that UI would stay away from. If that situation happens at my kids club, I would would be looking elsewhere.

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Based on what? This blanket statement states nothing that proves 'he's a really bad guy'.
Just a dumb statement all around.

I don't need to tell you why I know that he's a bad guy. You can find out yourself.

There are dumb statements made on this board every day. This is not one of them.

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I don't need to tell you why I know that he's a bad guy. You can find out yourself.

There are dumb statements made on this board every day. This is not one of them.

Hey everyone, this is the one guy on TS that's 100% honest. From now on, everyone please believe everything he says.....

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In my case we did come on board mid season as her current was not meeting hers or our expectations for several reasons. I brought it to the coaches attention and the issues were not resolved. We looked at a few clubs, she liked one, went to a practice session. We were told up front she would not be a starter, and that was ok for us as it sets goals for her to get better and earn her playing time.
As far as the bait and switch and replacing a whole team, that is just a **** move and clubs that do that UI would stay away from. If that situation happens at my kids club, I would would be looking elsewhere.

Sounds like a perfect situation to leave from mid season and sounds like you got an honest answer from the new coach. Earning playing time is the way it should be at the club level. Hope it works out for your kid.

Agreed regarding the team replacement. Complete dick and money grubbing move by a coach and club to allow that to happen.

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Hey everyone, this is the one guy on TS that's 100% honest. From now on, everyone please believe everything he says.....

I'd actually like to hear more

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Based on what? This blanket statement states nothing that proves 'he's a really bad guy'.
Just a dumb statement all around.

MF Shore at it again! Dumb is right.

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I'd actually like to hear more

I'm the one who responded earlier about my kid being trained by him a bunch and knowing parents on his teams. I don't know him personally, but negatives to someone might be he's a yeller (not pointless denigration but constructive stuff. Some people don't like that prior to HS age) and that he's big into cardio. He makes his teams run A LOT (I mean miles), sometimes until kids puke. I think that's a bit much but I get it. Playing full sided with GA sub rules mean you need a lot of endurance. Also, having better than another team might cover up some technical deficiencies on a roster. I personally don't care for the yelling or the level of running, but I can see why some people wouldn't like him for it.

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I'm the one who responded earlier about my kid being trained by him a bunch and knowing parents on his teams. I don't know him personally, but negatives to someone might be he's a yeller (not pointless denigration but constructive stuff. Some people don't like that prior to HS age) and that he's big into cardio. He makes his teams run A LOT (I mean miles), sometimes until kids puke. I think that's a bit much but I get it. Playing full sided with GA sub rules mean you need a lot of endurance. Also, having better than another team might cover up some technical deficiencies on a roster. I personally don't care for the yelling or the level of running, but I can see why some people wouldn't like him for it.

Not being liked for being loud and expecting better and have the kids called out on their she mistakes? My kid was on a team and was never called out for or corrected on anything and it has really hurt her and she has some really bad habits. We went to a training session and immediately was called out on things which her previous coach said her and her old team mates needed to 'figure out'.Not for nothing, but most of the game is running and requires the kids to be able to have the endurance. This is where the kids and the parents decide whether the team/club is right for them. My kid hasn't puked yet.

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Not being liked for being loud and expecting better and have the kids called out on their she mistakes? My kid was on a team and was never called out for or corrected on anything and it has really hurt her and she has some really bad habits. We went to a training session and immediately was called out on things which her previous coach said her and her old team mates needed to 'figure out'.Not for nothing, but most of the game is running and requires the kids to be able to have the endurance. This is where the kids and the parents decide whether the team/club is right for them. My kid hasn't puked yet.

You really are a dedicated defender of this particular coach with multiple immediate responses. I know NS probably has no idea that this message board exists, otherwise I'd swear you were coach himself.