ECNL/D1/Pro 0 - Netherlands 3 20U Women’s World Cup

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Still laughing at all these comments and suggestions when (likely) these come from the same people who trashed the very program in place to address these very issues.

Seriously are we surprised? Why? US always relied strictly on athleticism for their successes. The rest of the world realized has figured out how to play the game and we refuse to do the same. This is the exact scenario predicted over the last 5 years.

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just watched it. Wow! that was bad. couldn't string together three good passes. These US scouts/coaches should face the consequences of picking this team

It has been noted across all the news worldwide that this showing was the worst performance the US has ever had their in the history of this team. Yet they it was the most seasoned team, two pros and more funding than ever before. I feel sorry for all involved but it was a complete mess.

Damn now we have to send our kids Japan to learn to play soccer

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not how it works in Europe. USA have chosen to run the NT like a club team. the federation here dictates to CLubs, takes players when they want mid season etc. No one else does. So even if the federations were angry, which i doubt, they dont control how Man CIty or Arsenal or any other Club spend their money. The big European Clubs are independent and their goals dont have to align with any federation. if Arsenal decide that a player from France is the best fit, they sign them even if it means no spot for a young English player. CLub soccer is mostly independent of International soccer in almost every other country

Partially right. There are rules about foreign players. English teams can’t just pick up promising 16 yr olds. It has to be a player of impact to allow a waiver to be given allowing the non-English player to take that English players spot. To get that waiver, at minimum, you have to have been consistently capped by your national teams youth programs. Also the English FA, mandates parts of profit be put back into the English youth systems. This creates more opportunities and better training and identification for kids of all income brackets.

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Most European women soccer players and coaches envy the US college soccer system. They believe it is the main reason for the past success of USWNT. They see it as a better-funded version of the women's teams and academies in Europe. It's true that this is quickly changing in Europe with more money being set aside by the wealthy clubs to develop the women's game, but they still believe the US has a massive advantage with the almost automatic development path that college soccer offers. Now, if we are losing ground in the game, it is the college style of play and development that we should pin the blame on.

I think your comments were all true at some time in the past but not any more. It was a broken system from the get-go but it was a system so it produced players. Europe was very late to the game but most countries now have systems similar to the way the mens side develop players. They put in place the ‘right’ system and no longer envy our system.

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Still laughing at all these comments and suggestions when (likely) these come from the same people who trashed the very program in place to address these very issues.

Seriously are we surprised? Why? US always relied strictly on athleticism for their successes. The rest of the world realized has figured out how to play the game and we refuse to do the same. This is the exact scenario predicted over the last 5 years.

Yes that's why they started GDA but GDA wasn't going to solve it either. It should have been much smaller, much more elite. They jumped right in and tried to make it as big as ECNL then once top clubs started leaving the death spiral started. Most of our top players are playing in our youth system or college. That isn't pushing them enough. Now much of the international talent is playing professionally and, ironically, on some of our college teams. Completely different scenario. Our occasional team trainings aren't often enough or long enough. Hard to create team chemistry that way, or give coaching staff time to figure things out.

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But, you are right that we really should expect more from the best of the best US players. I don't have an answer for that. I haven't looked at rosters but I wonder if the USWNT rosters change significantly from U20 to the senior team. Meaning, do most of these players get cut by the time they are older?

Typically a few make the leap for consistent call ups. Each u20 only needs to produce 3-4 quality kids who link up with the 3-4 from the previous 3 cycles to form a quality senior level team. So we should not be expecting this whole team to be taking on the world in a couple years. However, we are seeing some of the same issues at the senior level where the Europeans are producing better teams at the moment. The US was rough at the last Olympics and the concacaf tourney was underwhelming.

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I think your comments were all true at some time in the past but not any more. It was a broken system from the get-go but it was a system so it produced players. Europe was very late to the game but most countries now have systems similar to the way the mens side develop players. They put in place the ‘right’ system and no longer envy our system.

Totally agree. Any envy of the college system was in the past, in terms of competition plus getting an education along the way. Playing professionally in a soccer rich environment is completely different. Some of our own top players are going abroad for better pay and that environment.

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Typically a few make the leap for consistent call ups. Each u20 only needs to produce 3-4 quality kids who link up with the 3-4 from the previous 3 cycles to form a quality senior level team. So we should not be expecting this whole team to be taking on the world in a couple years. However, we are seeing some of the same issues at the senior level where the Europeans are producing better teams at the moment. The US was rough at the last Olympics and the concacaf tourney was underwhelming.

I do think part of USWNT domination was simply the under development of competing countries. It’s a sport and when all participants are equally training the competition evens out. USWNT will always be in the mix but as long as other countries continue to develop womens soccer we will never dominate like we once did

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Still laughing at all these comments and suggestions when (likely) these come from the same people who trashed the very program in place to address these very issues.

Seriously are we surprised? Why? US always relied strictly on athleticism for their successes. The rest of the world realized has figured out how to play the game and we refuse to do the same. This is the exact scenario predicted over the last 5 years.

the program put in place was never going to address these issues because it is still parent funded and required significant numbers. When are people going to accept that maybe 2pct of the kids in these leagues would benefit from a professional environment? these leagues milk the fact that the other 98pct think they are far better than they are.

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Yes that's why they started GDA but GDA wasn't going to solve it either. It should have been much smaller, much more elite. They jumped right in and tried to make it as big as ECNL then once top clubs started leaving the death spiral started. Most of our top players are playing in our youth system or college. That isn't pushing them enough. Now much of the international talent is playing professionally and, ironically, on some of our college teams. Completely different scenario. Our occasional team trainings aren't often enough or long enough. Hard to create team chemistry that way, or give coaching staff time to figure things out.

They had no choice because parents pay. The money has to come from somewhere. In the USA, the USSF are far too involved in activities that fall to professional clubs elsewhere. AS soon as you allow that, the USSF marginalize Club activity completely. Look at the set up here. the only young players who can afford to commit to the sport at 16 are the ones the USSF handpick. its an approach that makes the USSF the most powerful brand in the sport and creates incentive to keep picking the same players you ID'd to prove yourself correct. It is a self fulfilling approach that relies on the USA continuing to win. Cracks are showing now. We have convinced ourselves that because we see them often, the likes of Rodman, Smith Pugh etc are "the best young players in the world". There are others around the world who are just as good, but they dont have the marketing push ours do. Social media is very powerful in shaping the narrative.

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Totally agree. Any envy of the college system was in the past, in terms of competition plus getting an education along the way. Playing professionally in a soccer rich environment is completely different. Some of our own top players are going abroad for better pay and that environment.

ont womens side, who ?

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ont womens side, who ?

Also Replying- is the pay better? That’s not what I’ve heard. But the European laws do require to give a lot more to any employee so the benefits are likely better. But not sure the pay is. Do you have example?

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ont womens side, who ?

google is your friend. this is 2 years old and there's a few others since this

https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnt-stars...Yahoo%20Sports.

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the program put in place was never going to address these issues because it is still parent funded and required significant numbers. When are people going to accept that maybe 2pct of the kids in these leagues would benefit from a professional environment? these leagues milk the fact that the other 98pct think they are far better than they are.

The other 98% doesn't care. They're on a college track, either because of lack of interest or lack of pro-level or NT level skills, and that's all that matters to them. Really we need two separate systems but that's impossible from a scale/logistics standpoint

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google is your friend. this is 2 years old and there's a few others since this

https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnt-stars...Yahoo%20Sports.

Did you read the article? It was about player leaving bc of Covid. These players are now all back in the US. It’s doesn’t discuss the salary benefits with hard numbers at all.