ECNL/D1/Pro 0 - Netherlands 3 20U Women’s World Cup

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North Korea crushed our U20s 5-6 years ago. Losing to to the Netherlands is an improvement. Amazing how North Korea can teach kids this age to play the right way and we can’t. At this age, better soccer players beat better athletes.

We were not even the better athletes yesterday.

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Very much so. The issue with American soccer not only lies within the youth systems but also the stages after that. Even IF girls' soccer was to have a proper pathway through the NWSL or otherwise, players wouldn't be getting paid a very livable wage in about half the U.S. And the fact of the matter is that some more well-rounded girls are going to want to get the full college experience/opportunity for education. Academy systems work well in Europe, but until a better pathway to pro soccer is established in the U.S. (and better salaries/more exposure internationally), we're going to see the rest of the world start to pull ahead.

Then we also have 1) college coaches who are paid to win, not develop. Not their fault, they keep their jobs when they win. But if college soccer is one development pathway its not a good one. 2)USSF that has no clue what it's doing

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PDA is not the issue at a national level. The NCAA and it’s rules are. Did Olivia Moultrie and or any midfielders get trained by PDA? Or how about anyone besides the center back who only played 1/2 game? How about the coach stand up and tell the girls “if anyone dribbles into a double team at midfield when teammates are wide open, you are off the team!” How about the coach try something different tactically instead if simply making per****l changes, bc those changes didn’t and wouldn’t work. Her style of play against Netherlands was flawed and I am not sure she ever realized it.

OM is symbolic of another problem - fanatic parents that push their kids too hard and care more about their social media followers than their kid's emotional or physical development. Also she's training in NWSL. The women's game is getting to be like the men's - if you really want a pro track you go abroad not languish here.

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PDA is not the issue at a national level. The NCAA and it’s rules are. Did Olivia Moultrie and or any midfielders get trained by PDA? Or how about anyone besides the center back who only played 1/2 game? How about the coach stand up and tell the girls “if anyone dribbles into a double team at midfield when teammates are wide open, you are off the team!” How about the coach try something different tactically instead if simply making per****l changes, bc those changes didn’t and wouldn’t work. Her style of play against Netherlands was flawed and I am not sure she ever realized it.

Thanks for describing the way PDA and the rest of the top teams play. Run run run.

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North Korea crushed our U20s 5-6 years ago. Losing to to the Netherlands is an improvement. Amazing how North Korea can teach kids this age to play the right way and we can’t. At this age, better soccer players beat better athletes.

This post is very misleading. Cherry picking to make a point. just focus on this group/performance.

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The irony of the posts attacking PDA for the poor performance of the U20 national team is that the PDA player on the team was the top performer on the field.

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Then we also have 1) college coaches who are paid to win, not develop. Not their fault, they keep their jobs when they win. But if college soccer is one development pathway its not a good one. 2)USSF that has no clue what it's doing

College soccer is not a development pathway and never has been. We celebrate winning and equate that with development. It is the largest platform for women to continue playing organized soccer from 18-22+, but most of the women playing are not there to focus on soccer development. The sheer size/volume of players meant that a meaningful number emerged to make the USA dominant at a time when no one else had much of a pathway. Those with an agenda refuse to truly acknowledge that. they have spun it for personal gain. The USSF is political. They dont develop players either. Its arrogance to suggest that a few camps here and there = development.

ALL coaches from youth on up are glorified for winning. To suggest it's a College issue misses the point. If, and it a big if, other countries leagues grow large enough to create professional pathways that are large enough, then things may chang, but very few countries have a chance at that and a pro league does not = national development. The FAWSL has many players from all over the world. Critical mass for any nation is key.

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The irony of the posts attacking PDA for the poor performance of the U20 national team is that the PDA player on the team was the top performer on the field.

One team looks they were thrown together two months ago.
The other looked like they have been playing that exact style their whole life. That’s the end results

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The irony of the posts attacking PDA for the poor performance of the U20 national team is that the PDA player on the team was the top performer on the field.

this is part of the problem as well. The USA spend way too much time trying to ID the top performer on the field instead of looking at how the team performed. We lost 0-3 and made several poor collective decisions. trying to spin that for a single player is however how the model works.

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One team looks they were thrown together two months ago.
The other looked like they have been playing that exact style their whole life. That’s the end results

nah...playing the right way increases the probability of winning, does not guarantee it. Every time we win , in spite of how we play, people act like all is right with the world. When we lose, the sky is falling. This has been the playing style for some time. We rely on having attackers that can make things happen individually in transition and call the super stars. Team play is rarely celebrated. this is partly because youth soccer teams on uop are usually built around one or two dominant individuals as opposed to a real pyramid where talent is collected and developed based on pro potential. Im not suggesting it should change here, jut trying to explain what i see.

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nah...playing the right way increases the probability of winning, does not guarantee it. Every time we win , in spite of how we play, people act like all is right with the world. When we lose, the sky is falling. This has been the playing style for some time. We rely on having attackers that can make things happen individually in transition and call the super stars. Team play is rarely celebrated. this is partly because youth soccer teams on uop are usually built around one or two dominant individuals as opposed to a real pyramid where talent is collected and developed based on pro potential. Im not suggesting it should change here, jut trying to explain what i see.

My daughters team looked like that at u9-u12. It’s not that hard for these girls to understand how to move and pass. They were out there simply trying to showcase their skills. It looked a lot like a tryout. If my daughters team can understand how to pass and move these girls certain can too. If not then, the coach needs to be fired

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nah...playing the right way increases the probability of winning, does not guarantee it. Every time we win , in spite of how we play, people act like all is right with the world. When we lose, the sky is falling. This has been the playing style for some time. We rely on having attackers that can make things happen individually in transition and call the super stars. Team play is rarely celebrated. this is partly because youth soccer teams on uop are usually built around one or two dominant individuals as opposed to a real pyramid where talent is collected and developed based on pro potential. Im not suggesting it should change here, jut trying to explain what i see.

well said!

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Of course the world is catching up and will soon pass us. The D1 circuit gave us a huge advantage for years. But now international clubs and nations are making big investments in the women's game and its starting to pay off. Playing professionally in a rich soccer culture is light years ahead of college soccer. NWSL also isn't the same quality. The poor Olympics performance last year wasn't just because they dragged out old school players but also because everyone else is knocking on our door.

Only change I would make above: the world has already caught us and passed us.

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Honestly every USNT not called the USWNT senior team has usually lost in the group stage at the World Cup. It isn't really a new thing that the younger teams lost.

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The rest of the world is finally putting money into women's soccer. They will be more competitive moving forward. The golden years of killing everyone are nearing an end.

Other countries have youth systems set up drastically different than here and it makes a difference.